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foliagecop
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iro
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its all smoke in mirrors. there is a grander plan here for brown to take over, then lose the election to cameron who will then be hated eventually like blair became and then another strong labout leader like reid will take over....
it is just a never ending charade of power games to give the illusion of a political debate. there is really zero point in voting - and that is a horrible thing to say but it is completely true.
All top politicians are married to the same pools of power. |
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jason67
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| iro wrote: | its all smoke in mirrors. there is a grander plan here for brown to take over, then lose the election to cameron who will then be hated eventually like blair became and then another strong labout leader like reid will take over....
it is just a never ending charade of power games to give the illusion of a political debate. there is really zero point in voting - and that is a horrible thing to say but it is completely true.
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Well put iro, I offered a £5 bet to a guy from work that Cameron would win the tory leadership, before his name was even thrown into the hat (not my knowlage, i think i got it from the Icke web site!).
He upped it to £10 as Cameron was not even in the top 4.
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iro
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| cameron is scottish nobility. that is a clear indicator of his 'success' |
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Roger the Horse
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I remember hearing something immediately after the last general election that Labour had just fiddled with the voting boundaries round London in a way that favoured the Tories. Thought it seemed quite bizarre and was tempted to put some cash on a Conservative 'win' back then. But didn't. b*.
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Pincher
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| iro wrote: | its all smoke in mirrors. there is a grander plan here for brown to take over, then lose the election to cameron who will then be hated eventually like blair became and then another strong labout leader like reid will take over....
it is just a never ending charade of power games to give the illusion of a political debate. there is really zero point in voting - and that is a horrible thing to say but it is completely true.
All top politicians are married to the same pools of power. |
Nearly there...but not quite. Cameron is the spooks' choice. In an echo of Bush's 'compassionate conservatism' (spook-speak for: 'we give all our victims a good funeral') what few policies he gives away publicly he disavows privately.
The Brown/Reid conundrum is a short term dilemma. The 'advantage' of Brown is clear - he is the more unpopular of the two amongst the wider electorate who would probably be easily defeated by Cameron in a 'snap' election and utterly routed by him at the end of the current term. The 'disadvantage' of Brown is that he is very much his own man who might pose a challenge to the grey man lurking in corners.
As President of the Privy Council John Reid knows only too well who the real movers and shakers are. Knowing the limitations of the PM's office he would happily do the bidding of the grandee's, mandarins and spooks. The problem for them is that Reid's hard b'stard image goes down well with the voters and he might put up a bit of a fight in a snap election.
The Achilles heel of both men is of course the so called 'West Lothian' question (Scottish based MP's voting on policies that only affect English constituencies). Brown is particularly vulnerable here and if he does takeover from Blair don't be surprised if the dark forces manufacture some Lothian tosh to force him to go to the country after just a few months in office (making his the shortest Premiership in history).
With Reid the powers that be might have to bide their time but they will probably provoke enough 'Jockophobic' sentiment south of Hadrian's Wall to gift an election victory to Cameron in 2009/10. But it may well be that it won't be Reid that the Blair camp put up. They may not put up anybody at all. This will leave a section of the party dissatisfied with Brown's 'coronation.'
It is not beyond the realms of possibility that this is exactly the scenario that Blair has been told to bring about by his MI6 'handler' Jonathan Powell (Blair's Chief of Staff, who ironically also told Boris Johnson that 'no Scot would ever become Prime Minister' and that, 'Gordon Brown was like a protagonist in a Shakespearean tragedy who would never get to wear the crown').
My money is on Cameron in 2008 by 50+ seats. |
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