Growth/analysis of the GB & Ireland 911 Truth campaign

Pikey · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:05 am Post subject:

A political party has already been set up officially and funded by David Boyle and the 911 Blackpool group, The World Truth Coalition (WTC), a political TRUTH party!

My suggestion about setting up a 911 constituency truth group network was to make the campaign more effective in terms of putting pressure on the existing elected MPs.

Exposing the truth of 911 IMO is the key to getting rid of the evil forces in control, once that is done though they need to be replaced and yes personally I like the idea of a Truth party in politics as we have not had much of that for a long time!

Iro makes the negative statement:-

Pikey · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:22 am Post subject:

I joined the 911 Cumbria group in February 2005 after I had read the following on www.davidicke.com. Paul and Justin arranged for it to be published in Private Eye and on Ickey's website.

iro · Moderate Poster Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 376

ian neal · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject:

I agree with your general take IRO

The ONLY way we will get to a proper investigation is through MASSIVE public support combined with peaceful civil disobedience. When there is massive public support for 9/11 truth the whole political landscape will be turned on its head. Anyone who imagines that this will be played out slowly, slowly by building a political party in the traditional sense is IMO sadly misguided.

Using the electorial system to run with independent 9/11 truth candidates as a means of raising public awareness may be worth doing, but we should not delude ourselves that we have any realistic prospects of gaining meaningful political power within the existing system. That's my take, but if others want to focus on forming and popularising a political party, that's fine by me. It's just not where I will be focussing my energies

Pikey · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject:

As the 911 truth movement gets bigger, polarisation and focus on a pathway, a "yellow brick road" will be required otherwise IMO we are on the road to nowhere and that is the outcome desired by the ptb/status quo and the trolls/shills on here who are IMO deliberately leading us that way.

If you read the statement written by Justin it is not to set up a political party but a strategy to defeat those controlling the political system.

IRO sadly you have come up with nothing. To me thats a road to nowhere and not an option any aspiring and creative organisation/movement should be looking at.

Ian Neal states:-

iro · Moderate Poster Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 376

pikey - you say i have come up with nothing and you disagree with me then you quote ian neal who was agreeing with my point of civil disobedience as something you agree with as a strategy

im confused... is it only a good idea if ian neal says it then but if i say it you disagree?

Question

Pikey · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:30 pm Post subject:

IRO lets play ball and not the man (the latter being the usual establishment and troll/shill tactic we consistently see used on this 911 truth campaign website in conjunction with official confusion!)

Please could you respond to the following questions:-

iro · Moderate Poster Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 376

my replies in bold

adam1 · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:54 pm Post subject:

HI, if I might chip in, it seems that there is really a big question being discussed here, which basically boils down to this: What are we going to do to get our beliefs accepted by everyone, including all mainstream media and politics?
For my part, I have lazily assumed that simply by spreading our information around as much as possible, eventually a head of steam will build, and someone with enough clout and integrity in the political arena will decide to talke up our cause. As soon as this happens, we are on our way.
I , for one, believe that many British politicians believe themselves to be decent and good people. They probably are. The fact that they are totally misguided (IMHO) and desperately culture-bound, should not blind us to the fact that once cornered, these people might well react commendably well.
One respected power-broker is all we need. This would engender debate, a mainstream analysis of some already well-produced evidence, and the momentum would then be difficult for anyone to resist.
Am I misguided?

chek · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject:

I'd agree that on the face of it, political involvement might seem premature an difficult.

But there is something in the air, and civil liberties issues are raising their
heads in unlikely places. Maybe more people than we realise are tired of Tweedledum-Tweedledee politics.

And if the file sharers can find the drive to do it this ....

Swedish Pirates Plan Pan-European Electoral Assault

"The leader of the pro-filesharing Swedish Pirate Party is co-ordinating a pan-European electoral assault for 2009's European Elections.

Rick Falvinge told OUT-LAW Radio that it would be the first ever political platform that stretched across Europe.

Sweden is the home of the Pirate Party, but examples have since sprung up all over Europe. It is these which Falvinge hopes to unite in time for elections to the European Parliament in June 2009.

"We are investigating the possibility of running as the first major pan-European party with a common platform across all countries," said Falvinge. "We are seeing this as the next logical step that we should run on a common platform throughout Europe so that if you look at the French Pirate Party or the Spanish Pirate Party they should have the same programme as the Swedish Pirate Party when we run for the common parliament."

Falvinge said the German and Austrian parties were already on board and that discussions were ongoing with others. There are Pirate Parties in Spain, France, Poland, Italy and Belgium.

The movement began in Sweden on 1 January this year, but was given a major boost when an associated unauthorised download links site, Pirate Bay, was raided by Swedish police. There was public outcry which only worsened when it emerged that the US administration had put pressure on Sweden to act against Pirate Bay.

The movement mushroomed and its international expansion grew from there. Falvinge, speaking to OUT-LAW's weekly podcast, said the party stands for far more than simply legalising file sharing.

"That we are pro-filesharing is a consequence of us being pro-civil liberties," said Falvinge. "We are pro-civil liberties for the exact same reason that the entertainment industry is against civil liberties, because they have a bottom line to protect.

"The entertainment industry is what drives today's witch hunt on civil liberties," he said. "DRM technologies is the large media cartels' way of writing their own laws to circumvent copyright laws and we do have an elected parliament to write such laws."

Falvinge claims that despite the disappointing result, his party has had some policy victories in Sweden. "We have seriously influenced the debate here in Sweden," he said. "All of the established parties who won have shifted feet on their stance towards the file sharing and copyright regime."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/29/swedish_pirates_electoral_assa ult/

iro · Moderate Poster Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 376

Pikey · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject:

Thanx for your reply IRO and I note your comments........IMO your on the road to nowhere and I for one do not intend to take that pathway.

Anyone who agrees that the the official conspiracy theory of 911 as contained in the Kean commission report is a travesty of the truth and then refuses to sign the petition on the front page is in my eyes not part of the 911 truth campaign and I cannot understand why you come here so regularly IRO but I do respect your choice to do so.

My intent with this thread was to highlight the positive achievements in the campaign and I intend to endeavour to get it back on track so I will refrain from any further negative discussion on this thread with you IRO.

If you wish to set up negative and damaging threads to the 911 truth campaign then the place for that on this website is "Critics Corner".

Best wishes

iro · Moderate Poster Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 376

you call it negative - i call it a debate. i dont agree with a lot of whats going on here in terms of direction, but im not preaching at anyone.

i think you are living in a romantic fantasy regarding the impression of politics and progress claimed by some people here, if that makes me a critic then ill be a critic.

why do you keep writing my name in caps?

Pikey · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject:

Monthly registration statistics for September 2006 added (up to and including reg member no. 1010). As predicted a record breaking month for the website. Well done to all 911 truth campaigners/activists.

2005

Jul: 29

Aug : 44

Sept : 60

Oct : 33

Nov: 26

Dec: 20

2006

Jan: 30

Feb: 42

Mar: 64

Apr: 85

May: 99

Jun: 79

Jul: 95

Aug: 105

Sept: 202

ian neal · Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:03 am Post subject:

I think this illustrates the tension (which really need not be a tension) that has always existed within this campaign/movement/network between the desire of campaigners for order, structure and professionalism in a campaign and a more anarchic, unstructured and organic approach.

To date we have followed the anarchic route with little central or national level co-ordination. Over the past year we have started to put in place basic structures, a committee, a bank account and organised the DRG weekend events. The campaign website is in development.

The purpose of the national committee and this new website (as I understand it) is to present the strongest and most credible case to the public. In order to be effective it may not go as far as some people would like it to or for others may be too far. For those that feel this is where they can best focus their energies, there are a load of jobs to do and any offers of help are appreciated.

For others they will choose to campaign independently or in their own ways. Those that want to get involved at a national level, the opportunity exists, including the opportunity to influence what path or strategies are adopted. For those that prefer local or independent campaigning, we need that as well. Let a thousand flowers bloom.

Once the 'credible website' is launched this site will be reworked to more accurately describe itself as an on-line community where hopefully all 9/11 truth campaigners can meet. One important function of such a forum will be to act as a critical friend to the 'The 9/11 Truth Campaign (Britain & Ireland)'.

On first take the 2 paths being discussed (putting forward political candidates and mass peaceful civil disobedience) appear incompatable but they need not be. Just as on first take it would seem that creating a credible campaign with national structures and even discussions of elections for comittee membership and retaining anarchic unfettered approach to campaigning are incompatable. They need not be.

My natural tendency is to follow the more anarchic or organic route and avoid bureaucracy and structures where ever possible. I fear that any co-ordinated political campaign will require an incredible degree of organisation, bureaucracy and structures that will not be quick to mobilise.

But may be the solution this particular discussion is to try both approaches on a small scale. Put up one or two candidates in elections, say the next by-election and see how it goes. Similarly undertake a modest picket or small direct action (preferrably sufficiently 'newsworthy' to be noticed) and see how that goes.

Personally I reckon the festival curcuit is one of the most fertile to target and progressive, peace, green festival crowds are our natural allies and that's where I plan to focus my energies. May be after this weekend's truthfest momentum will build for bigger and bigger events

iro · Moderate Poster Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 376

well put ian. i think i we share a lot of common ground. this is an unprecedented situation and it will require unprecedented measures to succeed.

Andrew Johnson · Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:40 am Post subject: Up!

Here ya go!

adam1 · Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:59 am Post subject: debate

Well, I find it hugely encouraging that the above debate has been conducted with no punches pulled, while at the same time with no descent into the disrespectful bickering that has characterised other threads.
Well done on sharing your views and agreeing to disagree. This will only help our movemnent grow as people witness this kind of maturity.
As a footnote, I believe that momentum gained by a positive and forward looking attitude will always stand more chance of taking us forward than doom and gloom.
We have no choice: if there's no chance of positive outcomes, why do we bother with this at all?
So, give me all that Yazz!

Pikey · Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:40 am Post subject:

Thanx for that Adam 1 and also IMO to the biggest shining star I have met in the 911 truth campaign(Britain & Ireland) to date, Andrew Johnson. That Yazz track is one of my favourites!

Andrew Johnson · Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject:

Pikey · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject:

Monthly registration statistics for October 2006 added. Hopefully the excellent Unspining the truth roadshow can keep the numbers up (well done Ants & W Yorks and David & Annie)

2005

Jul: 29

Aug : 44

Sept : 60

Oct : 33

Nov: 26

Dec: 20

2006

Jan: 30

Feb: 42

Mar: 64

Apr: 85

May: 99

Jun: 79

Jul: 95

Aug: 105

Sept: 202

Oct: 146

Pikey · Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject:

Monthly registration statistics for November 2006 added. There appears to be a common seasonal trend between 05 and 06 (see Andrews histogram)!

2005

Jul: 29

Aug : 44

Sept : 60

Oct : 33

Nov: 26

Dec: 20

2006

Jan: 30

Feb: 42

Mar: 64

Apr: 85

May: 99

Jun: 79

Jul: 95

Aug: 105

Sept: 202

Oct: 146

Nov: 67

A total of 916 signatures is showing on the petition on the front page.

Pikey · Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject:

Monthly registration statistics for December 2006 added.

2005

Jul: 29

Aug : 44

Sept : 60

Oct : 33

Nov: 26

Dec: 20

2006

Jan: 30

Feb: 42

Mar: 64

Apr: 85

May: 99

Jun: 79

Jul: 95

Aug: 105

Sept: 202

Oct: 146

Nov: 67

Dec: 86

A total of 965 signatures is showing on the petition on the front page demanding a new independent inquiry into revealing the truth of 911.

The 911 truth virus continues to grow and at a faster pace.

Hazzard · Moderate Poster Joined: 14 May 2006 Posts: 368

Pikey · Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject:

Monthly registration statistics for January 2007 added. A promising start to 2007 and vast improvement on January 2006.

2005

Jul: 29

Aug : 44

Sept : 60

Oct : 33

Nov: 26

Dec: 20

2006

Jan: 30

Feb: 42

Mar: 64

Apr: 85

May: 99

Jun: 79

Jul: 95

Aug: 105

Sept: 202

Oct: 146

Nov: 67

Dec: 86

2007

Jan: 117

A total of 1028 signatures is showing on the petition on the front page demanding a new independent inquiry into revealing the truth of 911.

Light Infantree · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:00 am Post subject:

I am going to stick my neck out here and predict a figure around the 300 mark for Feb on the back of Willy's mind cleaning sortie.

Leiff · Trustworthy Freedom Fighter Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 509

Why is it that the figure on the homepage for members is currently 1289 but if you add up the figures above it comes to 1429?

Pikey · Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject:

Hi Leiff,

Thanx for flagging that up.

I endeavour to do the analysis at the start of the next month having started this in Sept 2006.

I'll look into this further. My initial thoughts are its due to:-

1. human error on my part

2. people who have registered have deregistered?

3. moderation action: removal of registrations due to non compliance
with the registration agreement/code of conduct (eg porn websites etc)

I'll report back when I have more detail.

Jim · Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject:

FYI - Registered users are not necessarily activated as the registration process now requires activation by administrators.

The member figures that you see will vary depending on how many 'non-sincere' members (i.e. spammers) are culled and how many sincere members are activated over a period of time.

If members do not activate accounts within 7 days of registration then they are automatically deleted.

The overall trend should be up although the day-to-day figures will vary.

Mark Gobell · On Gardening Leave Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Posts: 4529

This is Florida "hanging chads" all over again !

Stop the registration cover up !

Release the evidence !

Pikey is working for Diebold !

Wink

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