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cansouth
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 Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:45 am Post subject: Evidence Osama Bin Laden died in December 2001 |
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http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/central/10/06/karzai.binlade n/
October 7, 2002
| Quote: | | KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Osama bin Laden is "probably" dead, but former Taliban leader Mullah Omar is alive, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said. "I would come to believe that [bin Laden] probably is dead," Karzai said on CNN's "Late Edition" on Sunday. "But still, you never know. He might be alive. Five months ago, six months ago, I was thinking that he was alive. "The more we don't hear of him, and the more time passes, there is the likelihood that he probably is either dead or seriously wounded somewhere." |
http://216.26.163.62/2002/me_terrorism_10_16.html
October 16, 2002
| Quote: | | Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen TEL AVIV -- Osama Bin Laden appears to be dead but his colleagues have decided that Al Qaida and its insurgency campaign against the United States will continue, Israeli intelligence sources said. The Israeli sources said Israel and the United States assess that Bin Laden probably died in the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan in December. They said the emergence of new messages by Bin Laden are probably fabrications, Middle East Newsline reported. |
http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/
| Quote: | Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633
News of Bin Laden's Death and Funeral 10 days ago
Islamabad - A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. In the farewell ceremony to his final rest guns were fired in the air. The official stated that it is difficult to pinpoint the burial location of bin Laden because according to the Wahhabi tradition no mark is left by the grave. He stressed that it is unlikely that the American forces would ever uncover any traces of bin Laden. |
Here is a photo from a fake video from October 2004. It is not Osama bin Laden who is on the video:
Here is a photo from a fake video from 2001. It is not Osama bin Laden:
Photo from another fake video. It is not Al-Zawahiri:
Photo from another fake video. It is not Al-Zawahiri:
Photo from another video. This is probably also not Al-Zawahiri:
Links:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead
http://www.geocities.com/evian0630fra/EV000binladenandzawahiri.html
http://www.miff.no/porten/viewtopic.php?t=1868&highlight=
Al-Zarqawi probably died in February/March 2004
 Al-Zarqawi
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/
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March 4, 2004
«Iraq militants claim al-Zarqawi is dead»
«Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in the Sulaimaniyah mountains of northern Iraq, during the American bombing there, according to a statement circulated in Fallujah this week and signed by the Leadership of the Allahu Akbar Mujahedeen. There was no way to verify the authenticity of the statement, one of many leaflets put out by a variety of groups taking part in the anti-U.S. resistance.»
«It said al-Zarqawi was unable to escape the bombing because of his artificial leg.» |
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/11/18/al-zarqawi.jordan/index. html
November 18, 2005
AMMAN, Jordan (CNN)
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«One man, his face contorted with rage, yelled out that the Israelis and Americans were behind the attacks on the hotels, that al-Zarqawi was a religious man. He recounted how al-Zarqawi had once rescued a dog from some young men in the neighborhood who were abusing the animal. His implication was that such a man could not have committed terrorist acts.» |
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ian neal
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Hi cansouth
you should speak to (nick) astro 3 (member 20) he's written an article presenting the evidence for just what you are suggesting |
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cansouth
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I think this is a new fake video. I think it is not Al-Zawahiri, although this is a better copy than some of the others.
This video is very actual right now.
One reason I dont believe in the video is that the person refers to an "offer" from Osama bin Laden who is dead.
Yahoo article
| Quote: | | "The lion of Islam, Sheik Osama bin Laden, may God protect him, offered you a decent exit from your dilemma. |
Also this comment (from the same article) is suspicious:
| Quote: | A U.S. counterterrorism official, who spoke on condition of anonymity in compliance with office policy, said there is no reason to doubt the authenticity of the al-Zawahri video, which U.S. intelligence officials were analyzing.
The counterterrorism official noted the video was disseminated quickly, demonstrating al-Zawahri's ability to get his message out even faster than bin Laden. That suggests the two are not hiding together and bin Laden may be in a more remote location than his deputy, the official said. |
Link to two other aticles about the new video:
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/30/alzawahiri.tape/index.ht ml
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/article1210356.ece
The real Al-Zawahiri, I think looks like this:
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| cansouth wrote: | I think this is a new fake video. I think it is not Al-Zawahiri, although this is a better copy than some of the others.
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The video is probably faked but it could also be staged using the bloke as they captured him back in 2002.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,652071,00.html
Bin Laden's No 2 'captured in Iran'
Rory McCarthy in Islamabad and Luke Harding in Kabul
Monday February 18, 2002
The Guardian
Osama bin Laden's most senior lieutenant, the Egyptian militant Ayman al-Zawahiri, has been captured and jailed in Tehran, a leading Iranian newspaper reported yesterday.
Zawahiri, the founder of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, was arrested several days ago and has been imprisoned in the city's Evin jail, where political prisoners are usually held, the Hayat-e-Nou newspaper said.
If the report is correct, the arrest is the most serious strike at the heart of Bin Laden's al-Qaida network since the World Trade Centre attacks, and a diplomatic coup for Tehran.
The FBI has Zawahiri on its most-wanted list in connection with the August 1998 bombings of two US embassies in east Africa in which 224 people were killed. It has offered a $25m reward for information leading to his capture.
The Farsi-language paper gave few details yesterday about the arrest and no indication of the source of its information. The paper is regarded as reliable and is run by Hadi Khamenei, a leading legislator and the brother of Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
But Iran's foreign ministry said last night. "The news that has been published in the Hayat-e-Nou newspaper is not true. We deny it," Hamid Reza Asefi, a foreign ministry spokesman, said.
In Kabul the interim government said many al-Qaida and Taliban fighters had crossed into Iran but it had no information on Zawahiri. "We are not aware that a person of al-Zawahiri's stature has been arrested," foreign ministry spokesman Omar Samad said.
Zawahiri, 50, who wears thick spectacles and a long, dark beard, is regarded as Bin Laden's closest ally. He has been living with him in Afghanistan for several years and often served as his personal doctor. In an interview in June last year, Bin Laden said he had merged Zawahiri's Islamic Jihad with al-Qaida.
In December, Afghan commanders involved in the attacks on Tora Bora in eastern Afghanistan said they believed Zawahiri had recently been at the camp. His wife and three daughters were later reported to have died in a US bombing raid, although it was thought Zawahiri was not with them at the time. (dejavu!)
Washington has criticised Tehran for allowing al-Qaida and Taliban fighters to slip across its border and Iran was named by George Bush as one of three "axis of evil" countries.
- I wondered how he ended up on that tape with Khan, obviously both victims of the same people. |
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