Passengers' Personal Belongings

[physicist]

I don't know if this has been covered before but have any personal belongings of passengers on the four "hijacked" planes been recovered?

I recall that a "hijacker's" passport was found near the WTC, in rather good condition, I believe.

If there was sufficient DNA material present at the Pentagon to allow identification, then surely there would be personal effects too?

Especially in the case of Flight 96, there would be various remnants after it hit the ground (or was shot from the sky).

This all assumes it happened as described in the 9/11 Commission Report (ha ha).

[physicist]

I only found this thread about belongings:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=579&highlight=belong ings

[bratcat808]

[Ignatz]

[bratcat808]

[Celtic King]

Its all lies and propaganda.... there were no passengers on those planes - the American Airlines Flights never existed - 11, 175, 93 and 77 all phony all fabricated lies and nonsense. Bush used his own military to launch the attack on the WTC and the Pentagon...... 2 armed military 767s and armed military jet planes. Nobody died on those planes because they never existed. Pure NAZI propaganda that they ever did.... in my opinion!

[spiv]

Talking of DNA - and I don't for one minute actually believe that they could have identified using DNA tests from what would have been (surely) scraps of human tissue, all very odd when one considers that the Pentagon and Flight 93 planes' aluminium, steel, titanium etc etc was "vapourised" - I just cannot understand another aspect to the official explanation regarding this.

Surely, to identify anyone from a DNA test, don't you need some sort of 'original' DNA to compare it with? OK, I accept that these tests could have possibly used family members (and someone may correct me here, I don't know enough about DNA testing, so maybe there are some scientists or coppers amongst the Truth Movement who can help here), but did the testers fly out to get DNA samples from the family members of the terrorists? All very odd, and I have not heard any official explanation as to just how they carried out these so called DNA tests!!

[Celtic King]

[Ignatz]

[spiv]

Celtic, I couldn't agree with you more, I don't believe in any one part of the 'official 9/11 Commission report'. However, I feel you have missed my point. I don't, for one moment, believe that there were any DNA tests, there couldn't have been, and I thought I had made that point.

The question is, if one should take the 'official' lies as the "truth", why is no-one questioining just where did the original samples of DNA come from to test against the so called 'deceased passengers' in the (fictitious) planes??

I've heard no-one 'officially' explain that in amongst their many 'official' explanations of the events of 9/11.

[Celtic King]

[Ignatz]

[physicist]

[Celtic King]

[spiv]

Ignatz, yes, I read your comment, gosh, answered in a stroke, I have to admit. Easy, use an old hairbrush, toothbrush, old clothing, of course, why didn't I think of that???

Trouble is, and I am troubled, on two scores here. One, I have never heard of anyone who claims to have supplied comparison DNA for testing, so perhaps you know otherwise.

But, now this is the big b*gger in my own mind, the page at the link you so casually provide states "Many of the casualties were badly burned and difficult to identify, an official said. Of the 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were passengers on American Airlines Flight 77". So 64 passengers were on flight 77, a flight which crashed into the Pentagon and vapourised - aluminium, steel, titanium, indeed the whole shooting match - according to the official 9/11 report.

Now, according to the page you refer to, it states "Forensic dentistry experts from the Department of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology then performed dental charting and comparison with ante-mortem dental records. Full-body radiographs followed to document skeletal fractures and assist in the identification process, followed by autopsy inspection." Sounds like there was quite a bit remaining of these passengers' bodies that they could examine, OK so far.

So how come the passengers bodies remained reasonably intact, yet the planes were 'vapourised', and nothing was left of the belongings or luggage of the passengers? Oh, and don't try to tell me that they jumped off the plane before it hit.

These questions are also relevant to flight 93.

Indeed, most reasonable free-thinking questioning normal people would brush that off as 'impossible', but not the American propaganda machine it seems.

[Ignatz]

[Ignatz]

[brian]

It would no doubt be of great surprise to those still alive "highjackers" to learn they were actually dead - their DNA proving it.

Did that poor soul from Popular Mechanics ever get back to the interviewer who asked him the source of the DNA for comparison?

Rhetorical question - the answer is NO.

[Graham]

[blackcat]

[spiv]

BlackCat, I don't mind the idiotic trolls, they just make themselves look completely foolish with their false and tart 'arguments', and their ridiculous statements, usually coupled with their silly links, just shows how desperate the Americans now are to keep the 'lid' on the official 9/11 fairy tale.

[Ignatz]

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[Ignatz]

[Ignatz]

[blackcat]

Why are the Trolls allowed to post here??!!! It f*ucking STINKS!!!

[spiv]

Ignatz, you state "p.s. the "silly link" is to a very well-respected CT site. They have a brain between them and know when it's right to drop a feeble case. I'd love a good bet you didn't even look, did you??"

What an idiot you are, probably a low level public servant in the employ of that war criminal Bush and his co-conspirators. I even quoted parts from the rather idiotic page on the idiotic site you link to!! So don't tell me I didn't read it. Indeed, from your earlier comments, you clearly did not read my comments. When you want to engage in a proper argument with me, than get your facts straight first.

[Ignatz]

[marky 54]

im hearing so many differant things all the time, critics keep saying they did dna samples from collecting tissue at the site(making it sound like the bodys were in tiny pieces). however from reading spiv's post ferther up where he quotes a document, the discription does indeed sound like the bodys were mostly intact. also they say there were debris of the plane, all ive ever seen is a smaller engine(not 9ft) and only one engine at that, and thin bits of metal on the lawn. how did these parts survive along with tissue/mostly intact bodys but the rest of the plane disapear, no wing sections,tail sections, seats, luggage,ect. then theres the small hole with no wing or tail marks on the wall before the roof collapses and no evidence of tail and wing sections outside the pentagon so they couldnt of broke of as enter the building. and the pentagons weapon system was either turned of or the plane was giving out a friendly signal. the lack of cctv footage from cctv heaven the pentagon. and why were we told by the pentagon the plane vapourised to accomadate the lack of plane. its very strange that if a crash at 500mph would cause almost all the plane and luggage ect to be destroyed into nothing that there would be any uncontaminated dna left to do samples on. nothing adds up no matter how much anyone trys to bind all the bits of evidence, again this is why another investigastion is needed(a proper one this time). its also confussing that i am shown a computer grahic simulation as to what happened on tv from a programme supporting the offical story, and it shows the plane enter the pentagon as if there was no outer wall, then get sliced into lots of pieces by the support beams, before coming to a stand still without penatrating the other rings of the pentagon. and whilst i was watching this there was also no engines on the plane in the demonstration. its this type of disinfo that dosnt do the offical version of events any favours when it comes to truthers being able to take it as fact rather than a lie to cover-up the truth. the only explantions ive seen for the pentagon crash always has omissions to make them more believable to support the offical version. the only thing that could convince me now is new information(that i havent heard a million times already) or a new investigastion done properly with freedom to evidence. lets just hope something comes up to settle this issue because judging by title of this thread compared to posts the debate aint over yet.

[marky 54]

lol dammit i though this was the "time to settle the pentagon debate thread" ah well im sure the critics will totally ignore this and point it out later.

[spiv]

Marky54, I am in complete agreement with you. Just to clarify my postings above (as I'm arguing with a silly "troll" it may appear to get confusing, but that is, of course, why these clowns do this) - I don't, for one moment believe a 757 passenger plane hit the pentagon. The entry hole was too small, there was not enough wreckage (despite Igantz's claim that there was), I have seen only one picture of an engine part, and that was far too small to come from a 757, planes don't 'vapourise', there would have been passengers' debris and luggage everywhere, there are photos of search dogs in the rubble not being able to find any bodies from the planes, there are even eye-witnesses at the scene claiming they couldn't see any signs of wrechage of a large aircraft.

Above all, the plane, if it truly existed, would have been intercepted by fighters scrambling to intercept, and defence missiles fired from the Pentagon. Furthermore, there are many many security cameras on that building (look closely at photographs of the damage area and see these cameras on the roof, pointing towards where the aircraft would have come if it existed in the first place). Why don't the criminals in the American Government release this footage and prove beyond doubt their story?

And I would point out that it is not me saying that the bodies sound quite intact, all things considering, it was the web page (which I don't believe one word of) at Ignatz's quoted link.

In my opinion, there were no bodies, apart maybe from anyone who unfortunately happened to be near the impact of whatever did actually hit the Pentagon.

And, you will also note that these clowns, such as Ignatz, don't answer questions we pose, such as mine wherein I asked just how can a crashed plane 'vapourise' on impact (which is a question in itself!!) yet fragile human flesh and bone can be left relatively unscathed, at least sufficiently intact so that Ignatz's American heroes can x-ray them looking for such things as fractures. Of course, he may try to say that they jumped from the plane, or, and more likely, he will simply ignore it.

Interesting suggestion he makes, the highjackers all left their hairbrushes in the back of their hire cars, no doubt, perhaps, with their names, addresses and mobile phone numbers attached to these, to assist the FBI. I had to laugh!!!

Oh, and by the way Ignatz, do feel free to quote!