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Moon landing Fake? |
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Bicnarok Moderate Poster
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blackcat Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I watched that a few weeks ago and I think it is a piss-take. I have my doubts about the moon landings but this video seems like it ridicules the doubters. |
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HERA Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:35 pm Post subject: APOLLONY |
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Evidence-based replies ONLY
APOLLO : one giant hoax
At the present time, nowhere on Earth does there exist, nor is there any prospect in the foreseeable future of there being, the technology to put men on the moon and bring them back safely.
When NASA realised that President Kennedy’s 1961 call, for a man on the moon and back alive before the end of the decade, was totally impossible, they decided, rather than lose face, to hoax the whole thing. With $40 billion – at 1961 rates – available, the scope for deception was endless.
The major problem was the impossibility of overcoming the cosmic radiation threat within and beyond the Earth’s Van Allen Belts and on the moon’s surface. At least 5 feet of lead would be needed in all directions to protect the voyagers : for one man, in a telephone kiosk, this would involve a thousand tons of lead. 35-plus years later, the unprotected Apollo travellers, all of whom would have been fried, have shown no signs of radiation sickness.
Another problem was the inability of NASA to produce a stable craft which was intended to be the lunar landing module. “Lunar astronaut”, Neil Amstrong, almost lost his life when one of the prototype flying-bedstead LMs crashed and disintegrated. The problems were never even close to being solved.
The highly secret Area 51, in the Nevada Desert, is believed to be the location for the film studios – still visible from satellite photographs – which produced the television programmes – “live from the Moon”, whilst the astronauts merely sat out their time 200 miles above the Earth’s surface.
The official NASA record of the six Apollo excursions is so full of basic mistakes that various observers believe that some NASA personnel, very unhappy at being forced to be part of the hoax, deliberately left what would become obvious flaws in the record. The American flag flapping in the atmosphere-free, windless conditions ; the school-boy-level fake “moon photographs” and their difference from the live (film studio) transmissions ; the miracle of the standard Kodak film which withstood the X-rays and the extremes of heat and cold - 250 to minus-250 degrees ; the chest-mounted cameras which, without a viewfinder, produced hundreds of clear, well-framed photographs ; the multiple light sources ; the clear, uninterrupted voices of the astronauts as they sat above 10,000 lb-thrust, 140-decibel rockets ; the lack of any crater beneath the LMs; the lack of any exhaust smoke from the LM rockets (as it was pulled upwards, Thunderbird-style, by puppet strings in the studio) ; the lack of any stars in the lunar sky ; … and so on.
The impression that the men and vehicles were moving in a less dense gravity was created by simply slowing down the film to half-speed.
One of the “whistle-blowers”, Bill Kaysing, former analyst and engineer with Rocketdyne, the Apollo rocket designers estimated that “.. there were 85 completely separate manoeuvres involved in a lunar landing. Statisticians have calculated that the chances of completing this set of manoeuvres six times, without a single failure, were totally beyond the realms of possibility”.
Kaysing also reckoned that the chances of a successful, manned return trip to the moon were .0017%.
Other informants have not been so lucky. The outstanding critic of America’s chances of lunar success, Gus Grissom was one of ten astronauts who had “freak fatal accidents” between 1964 & 67. Apollo 1 safety inspector, Thomas Baron, produced a 500-page report. He stated that “The Apollo 1 programme was in such disarray that America would never make it to the moon.” One week later Baron and his family were killed in a road crash : the report disappeared.
Although the Americans recruited over 120 Nazi space scientists for their use, the Apollo scam is well beyond anything in the Joseph Goebbels Manual of Public Relations. Channels 4 and 5 TV have broadcast programmes exposing the fraud, but the Establishment media, led by -who else?- the BBC, have taken every opportunity to reinforce the hoax, with very good reason.
If it were generally accepted that The Scientists have told us a pack of lies on “Man’s Greatest Achievement” - and they have - even the most trusting of punter is likely to ask on what else would they deceive us : answer - everything.
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Bufordt06 Minor Poster
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Good post HERA, Im gonna look into this a bit more. _________________ The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing |
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chek Mega Poster
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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The reason for discontinuing the Apollo program (that it was no longer a prime-time TV show - boring in other words) is certainly one of the weakest reasons for discontinuing leading edge scientific enquiry I ever heard. Or imagined. |
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Bufordt06 Minor Poster
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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What was the programe called that was aired on Channel 5, was it unbiased? anyone know where i can download it?
Thanks _________________ The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing |
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blackcat Validated Poster
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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There are a number of sites which say they "debunk" the allegations of a hoax. The following site
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
says this about the radiation problem.
Quote: | Bad: A big staple of the HBs is the claim that radiation in the van Allen Belts and in deep space would have killed the astronauts in minutes. They interview a Russian cosmonaut involved in the USSR Moon program, who says that they were worried about going in to the unknowns of space, and suspected that radiation would have penetrated the hull of the spacecraft.
Good: Kaysing's exact words in the program are ``Any human being traveling through the van Allen belt would have been rendered either extremely ill or actually killed by the radiation within a short time thereof.''
This is complete and utter nonsense. The van Allen belts are regions above the Earth's surface where the Earth's magnetic field has trapped particles of the solar wind. An unprotected man would indeed get a lethal dose of radiation, if he stayed there long enough. Actually, the spaceship traveled through the belts pretty quickly, getting past them in an hour or so. There simply wasn't enough time to get a lethal dose, and, as a matter of fact, the metal hull of the spaceship did indeed block most of the radiation. For a detailed explanation of all this, my fellow Mad Scientist William Wheaton has a page with the technical data about the doses received by the astronauts. Another excellent page about this, that also gives a history of NASA radiation testing, is from the Biomedical Results of Apollo site. An interesting read!
It was also disingenuous of the program to quote the Russian cosmonaut as well. Of course they were worried about radiation before men had gone into the van Allen belts! But tests done by NASA showed that it was possible to not only survive such a passage, but to not even get harmed much by it. It looks to me like another case of convenient editing by the producers of the program. |
Another site http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/
I still do not know what to believe!!! |
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Bicnarok Moderate Poster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Posts: 334 Location: Cydonia
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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So why did the Space Shuttle have to leave that area due to radiation problems a few years ago?
The Van allen radiation is only one of the many doubts raised. Don´t forget the cosmic radiation in space out of the Van Allen belts, and a Lead nose wont protect you when the radiation comes from all sides. _________________ "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our mind..." Bod Marley |
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Disco_Destroyer Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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