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Jay Ref
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 Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: Chilling message of the 9/11 pilots |
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Sunday Times
(Link to the videos:) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2382919,00.html
| Quote: | TEN days after Bin Laden’s Eid speech, according to the date on the film, Atta and Jarrah read their martyrdom wills to the camera. This proof of their presence in Afghanistan at that time is just about the final main piece of the jigsaw: Atta, the man who decided zero hour on September 11 is for the first time on video, getting ready to record his “martyrdom” will.
Investigators have pieced together most of Atta’s life from his childhood as the son of a lawyer in Giza, northern Egypt, to the moment he boarded flight 11 — except for an unexplained absence from Hamburg in early 2000. The date on the tape perfectly corresponds with this.
Those who have been closely following the story had little doubt where Atta had been. Binalshibh told me, “Afghanistan, what else?” when I asked him during a secret meeting four years ago. But in their painstaking efforts to find the proof that connected the dots, US investigators and, especially, their German counterparts, have struggled with little more than circumstantial evidence and presumed facts.
This played nicely into the hands of conspiracy theorists, both in the Muslim world and in the West. Now the investigators have the proof, and only the flakiest of anti-American fantasists can go on claiming that Bin Laden, Atta, Jarrah and co had no hand in September 11.
We can now even reveal Atta’s itinerary. On November 29, 1999 he boarded Turkish Airlines flight TK1662 from Hamburg to Istanbul, Turkey, where he changed to flight TK1056 bound for Karachi, Pakistan. From there he would have crossed into Afghanistan by road, most probably through Quetta. On the return journey, he left Karachi on February 24, 2000 by flight TK1057 to Istanbul where he changed to flight TK1661 to Hamburg. Five months later he entered the United States to start flight training.
Unedited, the extraordinary footage also gives us a glimpse into the superficially ordinary character of the man who would later spearhead the devastating terrorist attack. |
Quick now, tell us the reasons why this tape is fake...
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aggle-rithm
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: Chilling message of the 9/11 pilots |
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| Jay Ref wrote: |
Quick now, tell us the reasons why this tape is fake...
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Predictions:
Their beards are too short.
If they're Arabs, how come they're using our numerals?
There's no sound. The real hitchhikers would use sound.
You need a credit card to do that! |
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MiniMauve
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I'm confused about the relevance of this video. Whether it is real or fake, it doesn't refute any of the main theories on Al Queda involvement in the attacks of 911.
If the hijackers were genuine Al Queda members, Bin Laden was the mastermind behind the attacks, and the US missed the warnings and never connected the intelligence dots, one would expect that the hijackers, including Atta, would have spent time in Afghanistan prior to the attacks.
If the hijackers were genuine Al Queda members and Bin Laden was the mastermind behind the attacks, but the US government ignored the warnings and prevented connection of the intelligence dots, one would expect that the hijackers, including Atta, would have spent time in Afghanistan prior to the attacks.
If the hijackers were genuine Al Queda members and Bin Laden was the mastermind behind the attacks, but US conspirators prevented connection of the intelligence dots and arranged for the attack to be catastrophic, one would expect that the hijackers, including Atta, would have spent time in Afghanistan prior to the attacks.
If the hijackers were US intelligence assets planted in Al Queda and 'shephered' the attacks, one would expect that the hijackers, including Atta, would have spent time in Afghanistan prior to the attacks.
If the hijackers were US intelligence assets pretending to be from Al Queda, one would expect that the hijackers, including Atta, would have spent time in Afghanistan prior to the attacks to provide a plausible cover story or would have a faked a video to make it look like they had.
Am I missing something?
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DeFecToR
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:01 am Post subject: Re: Chilling message of the 9/11 pilots |
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| aggle-rithm wrote: | | Jay Ref wrote: |
Quick now, tell us the reasons why this tape is fake...
-z |
Predictions:
Their beards are too short.
If they're Arabs, how come they're using our numerals?
There's no sound. The real hitchhikers would use sound.
You need a credit card to do that! |
Listen. Do me a favour. Prove (yes, prove) to me that those were martyrdom videos, that they met Bin Laden, and that they were members of Al Qaeda. THEN i will recognise the relevance of the video, though like MM says, it doesnt change squat. 
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Anti-sophist
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:58 am Post subject: |
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Do me a favour. Prove (yes, prove) to me that those were martyrdom videos, that they met Bin Laden, and that they were members of Al Qaeda. THEN i will recognise the relevance of the video
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You use that word, "prove", and yet I don't think you know what it means. Do you have a paritcular axiomatic system in mind for this proof? Or are you asking for an impossible feat, so that you may you give yourself an excuse to believe things you want to believe? |
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IronSnot
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Just one point Jay Ref
"Alleged pilots" |
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aggle-rithm
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| IronSnot wrote: | Just one point Jay Ref
"Alleged pilots" |
Right. It's all an elaborate get-rich-quick scheme where one group does all the planning, goes to flight school, gets their affairs in order, says goodbye to their families, and ANOTHER group carries out the hijacking. This explains a lot!
Wait...no it doesn't. It doesn't explain anything. Why should we believe it, again? |
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chipmunk stew
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| aggle-rithm wrote: | | IronSnot wrote: | Just one point Jay Ref
"Alleged pilots" |
Right. It's all an elaborate get-rich-quick scheme where one group does all the planning, goes to flight school, gets their affairs in order, says goodbye to their families, |
disappears off the face of the earth,
| Quote: | and ANOTHER group carries out the hijacking. This explains a lot!
Wait...no it doesn't. It doesn't explain anything. Why should we believe it, again? |
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