Channel 4 (UK) on Israeli roll in 911.

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I've been looking for a long time for a copy of the documentary 'The 9/11 Conspiracies' that was aired on the UK TV station Channel 4 in 2004.
What was notable about the documentary was the information regarding the suspected Israeli spies who were detained shortly after the attacks.
I've finally obtained a copy of the documentary and until i have a way of posting it for viewing (i may crop it and post it on youtube) i will post the dialogue of the parts concerned.

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(Narrator) Many Jewish Americans died on September the 11th. But particularly in the Middle-east millions of people believe Israeli agents were involved in the attack. And they claim there is a basis for their suspicions. Moments after the planes hit the world trade centre eyewitnesses reported seeing a group of young men apparently celebrating.
(Footage of 'Maria'. Eyewitness in her apartment.)

(Maria) I grabbed my binoculars, and I’m trying, you know, to look at the twin towers. But what caught my attention, down there i see this van parked...

(Footage of car park below window.)

(Maria)...and i see three guys on top of the van. They seemed to be taking a movie, and i could see that they were like happy, you know the laughing. They didn’t looked shocked to me.

(Narrator) This part of New Jersey has a large Muslim community. It would turn out that three of the 9/11 hijackers had lived there. A major terrorist man-hunt began and just six hours after the attack the van was stopped at a roadblock by patrolman Scott De Carlo.

(Footage of officer Scott De Carlo in patrol car.)

(Scott De Carlo) We were asked to detain the van and the passengers. They were just removed from the vehicle, padded down for safety precaution and detained. I think once the FBI arrived one of them stated that they were on our side, or something to that effect. The mood was confusion. As people were driving by they were screaming all sorts of excerpts. Profanity, you know, things to that effect. Nothing that I’d care to repeat.

(Narrator) Over two months of interrogation began. The FBI discovered the men weren't from Al Qaeda. They were Israelis. An enduring conspiracy theory began; That they were Israeli field agents who had uncovered the 9/11 plot in advance. Israel had deliberately failed to warn the US authorities because it wanted to ensure that American public opinion was hostile to the Arab world.
Channel 4 traveled to Israel and spoke to three of the five men arrested that day, to hear their side of the story.

(Footage of Yaron Schmuel in Tel Aviv, Israel)

(Schmuel) One of the neighbors give a call to the Feds and tell there's a white van with five Arab people, as you see i am blond, blue eyes. And tell there’s a bomb in the white van, get the number, five Arab people and they are on there way to Manhattan to make a suicide.

(Footage of Sivan Kurzberg)

(Kurzberg) I was the driver. The policeman take his gun and put in my head.

(Schmuel) Where are the bombs? Where did you want to do the suicide? And i dont know nothing about what you say.

(Kerzberg) But i told them that I am just a tourist from Israel, I’m Jewish. And he told me don’t talk, if you talk I’m going to shoot you.

(Footage of Paul Kerzberg)

(P. Kerzberg) People were spitting on us from the street they are passing with their cars and spit on us, cos they thought we were the Arabs, they were looking for someone to blame.

(Images of arrest)

(Narrator) A passer by took these photos of the police searching the van. Five men were inside it. Some had duel nationalities and were carrying more than one passport. Others had flight tickets to leave the US within days. Fearing robbery, one had over $4000 hidden in a sock.

(P. Kerzberg) They were ripping things, they took the camera. They were screaming at us all that time "put your head in to the ground or we are going to shoot you."

(Narrator) They told interrogators they were working for Urban Moving, a shipping and storage firm run by an Israeli businessman who often employed Israeli students without work permits. The men say there was an innocent explanation for what was found in the van, and their behavior on 9/11. They were they say, simply on a working holiday.

(P. Kerzberg) We heard in the news that one of the planes was crashing down the buildings and we thought it was an accident at the beginning. So we went up to the roof of Urban Moving and we saw the building burning.

(Schmuel) |There is a better view from the building in Jersey that is up a hill, a straight line to the world trade centre. We decided to go up there, its like two three minutes from the office, stand over there and take some pictures. Everyone wants picture like this in his camera.

(Narrator) Their boss at Urban Moving Domenic Suter was questioned by the FBI. But then disappeared back to Israel. It left lots of unanswered questions and fueled suspicion about the five men. Investigators seized the firms computers and the investigation took on a new urgency with multiple lie-detector tests.

(Schmuel)They continued to ask did you know the terrorist, did you know where they flew from did you know what they were supposed to do? The answer all the time was no i do not know even what you are talking about.

(Narrator) The FBI wasn't satisfied. Channel 4 has learned from intelligence sources that some of the men’s names were already known to American counter-intelligence.
Paul Kerzberg admitted serving in the Israeli army anti-terrorist unit. He refused to take a lie detector test for ten weeks.

(P. Kerzberg) I was serving in a special unit in the army. Its not a big secret, something like that. But there are things that i have to keep to myself, as loyal to my country.

(Schmuel) The story that the feds build is a very good story. When you hear the story start to even believe it yourself, okay maybe I’m a spy. I'm sure i'm not but the story is so good so maybe i am.

(Narrator) Juval Aviv is a counter-terrorism advisor to the US congress but was once a spy for Israel’s secret service Mossad. He says Urban Moving was a front company for Israeli intelligence and that some of its workers were spying illegally in the US.

(Footage of Juval Aviv, former Mossad)

(Juval Aviv) Israel has engaged in intelligence gathering in friendly countries. Some of it is done with permission and some of it probably is being done without permission in areas that is vital to Israeli interest, where large Arab communities operate and live, where there is a lot of fund-raising for terrorist activities in the middle-east. That’s the old under cover. Its the old way of gathering intelligence which America has not used. If a decision is being made to put a bomb under a building during and after prayer on friday night in a mosque you have to be in the mosque. You will not be able to do it from a satellite.

(Narrator) Sources close to Israeli intelligence have told channel 4 that Urban Moving produced no information that could have prevented 9/11. But whatever the truth of the conspiracy story its flushed out the possibility that Israel spies on America, its closest ally. An espionage tactic that both governments would prefer kept secret.

(Juval Aviv) There are certain type of information and methods of collections that you don’t want to share with the local host country. There are systems that you use, conducts that you make, undercover operations penetrating other terrorist networks, those types of information you don’t share with anybody.

(Narrator) The Urban Moving five were eventually deported to Israel for visa violations. Channel 4 understands from sources close to US intelligence that a condition of their release was that Israel promised not to spy on the US without permission. Then, as now, the Israeli government publicly denies they have spies in the US.

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I would also recommend 'critics' view te following Fox News specials

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm


The following article also details the actions of the Mossad in the US

http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/74953_comment.php?theme=1

An Israeli company owned the security firm at all the 9/11 airport;

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ICTS.html

http://www.rense.com/general73/bloody.htm

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If Israel and MOSSAD were involved then why would they warn the US before hand?

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a0801mossadwarning

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Deflector, I’m going to be frank with you here, hey honesty is the best policy. I really don't wish to get involved in a long and drawn out debate with you about Israel’s possible involve in 911. Not because I can't be bothered or wish to withdraw from it. I simply asked the question because I have seen and no doubt you will be aware of the finger of suspicion being pointed at other countries also.

I have seen it pointed at elements inside Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, even Syria and Iran. It is impossible to imagine these countries all working together with US to plan this, would you not agree?

The point is, were all these countries involved, some of them, or none of them? At some stage you are going to have to accept that when the finger points one way it stops being pointed another way.

One way or another you are going to have to decide which one of these accusations you are going to go with. Without some form of consistent and cohesive policy of which foreign intelligence agencies or members of you think are involved your point is moot.

I really hope you see where I am coming from here. I have no desire to piss you off, but simply going round and round the net and pointing the finger here there and anywhere waters it all down.

So what do you think? Israel? Saudi Arabia? Pakistan? All of them, none of them? Your call.

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