Critics - what are these Troofers like?

[Ignatz]

Over on the General Forum a site administrator is attacking MiniMauve for doubting the chemtrail CT, whereby every government in the world is using commercial aircraft to spray contraceptive aerosols and damaging fungii over everybody while protecting their own with secret potions. Even a few normally 'reasonable' Troofers are gaily joining in on that one.

Is this actually some obscure, surreal humour site that I (for one) have misunderstood? Or is that just everyday paranoia kicking in?

Speaking personally I find that, more and more, I'm drawn here by a sense of morbid curiosity and then feel obliged to debate chek's latest wriggle,writhe or absurdity. Along the way I'm provoked into learning more+more about 9/11, but the price paid in pure frustration is growing

If you good people will excuse me I'll take a break from so-called "debate" here for a while. Might just post a few pics or links now+then if it looks like it might help.

Regards

[chipmunk stew]

After this last exchange, I think I've reached the same point.

See you guys in the FEMA camps. I'll be the one with the boot in your face.

Oops, I mean, see you guys at the denazification trials. I'll be the one whimpering at your feet to spare my life.

Doh! I mean, see you guys in forty years. I'll be the one still rolling my eyes as you rant incoherently about 9/11, the NWO, and the Zionists.

[Andrew Johnson]

[Andrew Johnson]

[stateofgrace]

It is now only curiosity that brings me here.

Like both you guys have said, this will go on an on. And those that find it all these conspiracies somewhat amusing simply get drawn further and further into this surreal world. A world where experts are dismissed, common sense is replaced with an over whelming need to be right.

Personally I give up also; I packed my bags a while ago.

See I am simply a guy who read up on 911 and am happy and comfortable with what I know. I have no need to take it further, no need to even be on this forum debating the smallest of details about this dreadful event.

There appears to be this need here to prove the critics wrong, as though each of us carry the "official " version around with all the time and if one of us is proved wrong then obviously the offical story is wrong. this is where the false thinking kicks in.

"hey stateofgrace doesn't know......."
"hey stateofgrace said this, when this happened.......”

What is not realised is I am not an expert, I do not have the answers. I am not the guy that wrote the NIST rport, I was not on the 911 commision panel.I do not wish to spend my entire waking moment looking at this event.

So I will join you guys on vacation.I'll buy the first round, cheeers.

stateofgrace.

[DeFecToR]

Yup.

I'm getting sick of wasting my time trying to get some sense out of these time-wasters.

No offence guys but i've posted some real material today and you guys are avoiding it like the plague.

[DeFecToR]

[stateofgrace]

[SHERITON HOTEL]

Is there a verb 'to truth' ?there certainly is no verb 'to troof' Do these critics really think the '9/11 truth movement 'is a body of people 'all singing from the same hymn sheet'? that they all like tuna pasta flavoured ice cream and Barry Manilow? the thing they have in common, as I see it, is that they question the official 9/11 story and why this event that has changed our lives is so shrouded in secrecy,suspicion and obstruction.

Is the 9/11 C/omission report really the critics gospel, every last one of them?

[aggle-rithm]

[MiniMauve]

Ignatz, you seem to tend to give respect when you receive respect, which I try to do myself, but you do have the blinkers on in reguards to your fellow critics. I don't disagree that many regulars on this forum are pretty disagreeable when opposed, however, the same can be said for about 90% of critics in my experience. Very few people seem to really want to find the truth on either side of the debate. Actually, I don't really believe that. I think most everyone here is honestly worried about the world and are doing what they think is best. However, both groups come here with entrenched ideas, and feel they must protect those ideas at all costs, critic and truther alike. Reflection is unthinkable.

[DeFecToR]

[ComfortablyNumb]

I have just heard of these 'chemtrails' on this forum and have never heard of such utter rubbish in all my life. I didn't realise that the 9/11 truth movement was open season for any CT out there!

Adding the apparent surge in pushing the 'no planes theory', I'm now having serious doubts about how the evidence regarding a 9/11 conspiracy is being harvested and presented.

If it is the fundemental aim of Truthseekers to turn the attention of the general public to what I do believe very important issue, then this is the wrong way of doing it.

I've watched so many videos of people's suffering on that day that this nonsense really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[Jay Ref]

[stateofgrace]

Just picking up on what Jay Ref said I came across a poster who explained it really well.

I’m sure most people have seen The Truman Show; it is a satire and send up of conspiracies. The central character is totally unaware that everything around him is scripted. Every single event is his live is stage managed and there is nothing that happens without some form of higher authority sanction. There are no such things as coincidences and no such things as unforeseen events. The weather is controlled,all events are controlled, his family, friends and everybody about him are working from a script and there is nothing that cannot be explained away without a good script rewrite.

If he could just look around quick enough, maybe go in the left door rather than the right door or turn up five minutes early he would see it all for himself. All he as to do is wake up.

I'm just generalising here and not singling this forum out but this is where the true conspirator is at. Desperately looking over the horizon just to catch a glimpse of the controllers, maybe if he listens hard enough he will hear them planning away.

All I have to do is go down the pub five minutes early tonight, sneak in the back door and I'll catch them.

[chek]

[John White]

[chipmunk stew]

[John White]

I can't be responsible for others delusions

Perhaps critics could privately challenge themselves to check things out before indulging in mockery

God alone knows what you'd make of the verichip Chipmonk Stew

[ComfortablyNumb]

[John White]

Doesnt work like that with me: if your not curious its just me "proving" it to you, and that gets us nowhere if your not curious... catch22 QED. I dont mind with 9/11 questions but not going off topic for the forum

[MiniMauve]

Hi John,

I'm with CN on this one, but I don't need you to prove the theory to me, I just need a plausible explanation of what the motive would be. It's sort of a lynchpin question - for me to spare the time to look further into the theory, I need a plausible answer. If the theory has not matured to the point of giving that answer, my limited time is better spent elsewhere. It's much the same as the question i ask about NPT - until someone can plausibly explain how thousands of eyewitnesses and hundreds of video clips and photos can be faked, I'm not going to spend much time reading articles on the theory. There is far more important material on 911 for me to stay busy with.

[John White]

Last post Im making on chem trails:

Theyre isnt a plausable explanation MM, in terms of anything that can be sourced through academic or mainstream media in the way that vast amounts of the 9/11 picture can be. Thats becuase this is locked up so tight its an information wall of steel. The internet, for example, can only provide information placed on the internet: it cant tell you whats in a locked safe in some military base somewhere

Myself and a lot of people I know have simply stopped trying to find out, for the very reasons you indicate above:its better to put energy into something that one maybe CAN have an influnece over. All there is is the same specualtion reflected back endlessly. What is a hard fact is that people have been busted under anti-terror laws for probing to hard and too deep. I dont expect anyone to break cover over that here

So all that can be known is that this is real, it is happening, its global, the evidance in terms of photography, testimony and personal experiance is rock solid, and its locked up top secret and enforced by the state. Its no "oh can you see the missile pod in this picture" kind of nonesense, just the straight forward fact that something is being sprayed over major population areas since the mid 90's and, baring some minimal public access channel exposure in the US, its locked up as tight as can be

Its not the only area like this either

But who looks up anyway these days?

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And I mean it, I wont be drawn anymore on this topic

[MiniMauve]

What I'm saying is I don't need the evidence. Give me a plausible motive and I'll look for the evidence myself. I don't care if the offered motive is speculative, if it sounds plausible, I'll look deeper. I'm just saying, at this point, I can't think of any plausible reason for any group or persons to do this, therefore I'll stick to 911.

[Ignatz]