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chipmunk stew
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Before you click on the link that follows, please answer the poll question.
The following link is a discussion about a new document written by Mark Roberts. (It doesn't have a permanent home yet, which is why I am not providing a direct link.) It meticulously deconstructs what I believe is held up as the most compelling evidence of MIHOP. In about 100 pages, Roberts bludgeons the legs out from under the MIHOP torchbearers, sounding the death knell on the theory as a credible line of enquiry to any but the most zealous believers.
Enjoy the read!
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prole art threat
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: The death of MIHOP |
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | Before you click on the link that follows, please answer the poll question.
The following link is a discussion about a new document written by Mark Roberts. (It doesn't have a permanent home yet, which is why I am not providing a direct link.) It meticulously deconstructs what I believe is held up as the most compelling evidence of MIHOP. In about 100 pages, Roberts bludgeons the legs out from under the MIHOP torchbearers, sounding the death knell on the theory as a credible line of enquiry to any but the most zealous believers.
Enjoy the read!
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=65656 |
You guys are tiresome. Strange, maladjusted and full of fear, but tiresome all the same.
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chipmunk stew
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: The death of MIHOP |
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| prole art threat wrote: | | You guys are tiresome. Strange, maladjusted and full of fear, but tiresome all the same. |
Yes, I suppose it must be very exhausting having to constantly dream up new rationalizations for hanging on to your tenuous beliefs in the face of a non-stop onslaught of contra-evidence. |
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chek
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: The death of MIHOP |
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | Before you click on the link that follows, please answer the poll question.
The following link is a discussion about a new document written by Mark Roberts. (It doesn't have a permanent home yet, which is why I am not providing a direct link.) It meticulously deconstructs what I believe is held up as the most compelling evidence of MIHOP. In about 100 pages, Roberts bludgeons the legs out from under the MIHOP torchbearers, sounding the death knell on the theory as a credible line of enquiry to any but the most zealous believers.
Enjoy the read!
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=65656 |
OK - after a speed read of the .pdf and to get the ball rolling, 4 points.
1. Apart from approx 200+ pieces FEMA's ASCE team recovered most of the steel was removed from the site asap, so the impression of exhaustive analysis of steel samples failing to find anything fishy is incorrect.
2. The molten metal issue is skimmed over. Whether it 'was irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse since it does not provide any
conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers were standing' or not, it begs the question what source produced that degree of heat.
3. While there is lots of documentation of FDNY predicting a collapse - and that some collapse was expected, the mechanism of total symmetrical collapse is totally glossed over as if it's irrelevant.
4. The dismissal of Jones' materials analysis is also glib.
I'll be reading it in greater depth - but boy, any claims that the JREF forum doesn't have it's share of faith based adherants is wide of the mark also. |
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prole art threat
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: The death of MIHOP |
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | prole art threat wrote: | | You guys are tiresome. Strange, maladjusted and full of fear, but tiresome all the same. |
Yes, I suppose it must be very exhausting having to constantly dream up new rationalizations for hanging on to your tenuous beliefs in the face of a non-stop onslaught of contra-evidence. |
Not at all. My beleifs are certainly nowhere near as tenuous as yours. Youre a sick muppet just like your deluded master, Mark Roberts. When is that leader of yours going to publish a book? You must get a right hard on, whitewashing that Neocon doorstep.
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chipmunk stew
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: The death of MIHOP |
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| prole art threat wrote: | | chipmunk stew wrote: | | prole art threat wrote: | | You guys are tiresome. Strange, maladjusted and full of fear, but tiresome all the same. |
Yes, I suppose it must be very exhausting having to constantly dream up new rationalizations for hanging on to your tenuous beliefs in the face of a non-stop onslaught of contra-evidence. |
Not at all. My beleifs are certainly nowhere near as tenuous as yours. Youre a sick muppet just like your deluded master, Mark Roberts. When is that leader of yours going to publish a book? You must get a right hard on, whitewashing that Neocon doorstep. |
That's insightful and all, but did you look at the information in the document? |
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aggle-rithm
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: The death of MIHOP |
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| chek wrote: | OK - after a speed read of the .pdf and to get the ball rolling, 4 points.
1. Apart from approx 200+ pieces FEMA's ASCE team recovered most of the steel was removed from the site asap, so the impression of exhaustive analysis of steel samples failing to find anything fishy is incorrect.
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You expected them to examine it on the site? Do you have any idea what that site looked like after the collapses?
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2. The molten metal issue is skimmed over. Whether it 'was irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse since it does not provide any
conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers were standing' or not, it begs the question what source produced that degree of heat.
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Well, since the source of the heat clearly had no bearing on why the towers collapsed, I don't see why it's relevant.
Just like all the other CT ideas, the only utility this idea has is that it supports the preconceived notion that SOMEONE is hiding something. It doesn't help to explain anything that may be considered useful in any meaningful way.
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3. While there is lots of documentation of FDNY predicting a collapse - and that some collapse was expected, the mechanism of total symmetrical collapse is totally glossed over as if it's irrelevant.
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What is it relevant to? He made a pretty strong case that there was no REASON to blow up WTC7, that the evidence (even that offered by the CT movement) doesn't SUPPORT the idea that it was blown up, and he relates the stories of numerous eyewitnesses who were not at all surprised when the building collapsed. So, why is yet another rehashing of the exact mechanism so important to you?
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I'll be reading it in greater depth - but boy, any claims that the JREF forum doesn't have it's share of faith based adherants is wide of the mark also. |
Yes, I admit a weakness to having faith in things that make sense and are supported by evidence. I guess that's just a bear I have to cross. |
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chipmunk stew
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: The death of MIHOP |
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| aggle-rithm wrote: | | chek wrote: |
3. While there is lots of documentation of FDNY predicting a collapse - and that some collapse was expected, the mechanism of total symmetrical collapse is totally glossed over as if it's irrelevant.
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What is it relevant to? He made a pretty strong case that there was no REASON to blow up WTC7, that the evidence (even that offered by the CT movement) doesn't SUPPORT the idea that it was blown up, and he relates the stories of numerous eyewitnesses who were not at all surprised when the building collapsed. So, why is yet another rehashing of the exact mechanism so important to you? |
He also addressed the "symmetry" of the collapse. |
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| Sorry no time for the supposed 'death knell of MIHOP'. I've voted for Pentagon even though I think UA 93 runs it very, very close indeed. |
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chek
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Disappointing response critics.
The massive heat not important?
As if it had nothing to do with anything?
Can't think of a good reason for doing it?
WE have to supply a MOTIVE???
The collapse wasn't symmetrical?
I'm stunned at the weakness of response, considering this 'death knell' - answers nothing about what makes the event remarkable. A collapsed building is in itself not suspicious.
Btw I just searched the pdf and the words symmetry or symmetrical or any aspect realting to the specific manner of collapse (unless 'vertical progression' is what you refer to) is absent.
Looks like Shill Systems Inc Albuquerque, New Mexico will have to sink another few million dollars into it to make this turkey fly. |
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jsut_peopel
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: The death of MIHOP |
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| prole art threat wrote: | | chipmunk stew wrote: | | prole art threat wrote: | | You guys are tiresome. Strange, maladjusted and full of fear, but tiresome all the same. |
Yes, I suppose it must be very exhausting having to constantly dream up new rationalizations for hanging on to your tenuous beliefs in the face of a non-stop onslaught of contra-evidence. |
Not at all. My beleifs are certainly nowhere near as tenuous as yours. Youre a sick muppet just like your deluded master, Mark Roberts. When is that leader of yours going to publish a book? You must get a right hard on, whitewashing that Neocon doorstep. |
Exactly the kind of comments that, again, do your movement no favours at all. Congratulations. |
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jsut_peopel
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| chek wrote: | Disappointing response critics.
The massive heat not important?
As if it had nothing to do with anything? |
Ok. How did this "massive heat" affect the collapse of the towers?
| Quote: | Can't think of a good reason for doing it?
WE have to supply a MOTIVE???
The collapse wasn't symmetrical? |
A motive would be a good start yes.
Well, the mess it left behind doesn't look very symmetrical. Maybe you'd like to show me otherwise.
| Quote: | | I'm stunned at the weakness of response, considering this 'death knell' - answers nothing about what makes the event remarkable. A collapsed building is in itself not suspicious. |
What apart from the fact that terrorists decided to fly planes into the twin towers is remarkable exactly?
| Quote: | | Btw I just searched the pdf and the words symmetry or symmetrical or any aspect realting to the specific manner of collapse (unless 'vertical progression' is what you refer to) is absent. |
Have you actually read the document you are criticising? Using an automated search to look for key words is not the same thing as reading it.
| Quote: | | Looks like Shill Systems Inc Albuquerque, New Mexico will have to sink another few million dollars into it to make this turkey fly. |
Looks like more moonbat paranoia that will stop people from taking you seriously. |
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chek
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| jsut_peopel wrote: | | chek wrote: | Disappointing response critics.
The massive heat not important?
As if it had nothing to do with anything? |
Ok. How did this "massive heat" affect the collapse of the towers?
| Quote: | Can't think of a good reason for doing it?
WE have to supply a MOTIVE???
The collapse wasn't symmetrical? |
A motive would be a good start yes.
Well, the mess it left behind doesn't look very symmetrical. Maybe you'd like to show me otherwise.
| Quote: | | I'm stunned at the weakness of response, considering this 'death knell' - answers nothing about what makes the event remarkable. A collapsed building is in itself not suspicious. |
What apart from the fact that terrorists decided to fly planes into the twin towers is remarkable exactly?
| Quote: | | Btw I just searched the pdf and the words symmetry or symmetrical or any aspect realting to the specific manner of collapse (unless 'vertical progression' is what you refer to) is absent. |
Have you actually read the document you are criticising? Using an automated search to look for key words is not the same thing as reading it.
| Quote: | | Looks like Shill Systems Inc Albuquerque, New Mexico will have to sink another few million dollars into it to make this turkey fly. |
Looks like more moonbat paranoia that will stop people from taking you seriously. |
Yet more non answers. I'll wait a little longer while you confer. |
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| chek wrote: |
Looks like Shill Systems Inc Albuquerque, New Mexico will have to sink another few million dollars into it to make this turkey fly. |
Gobble gobble. 
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jsut_peopel
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| chek wrote: | | jsut_peopel wrote: | | chek wrote: | Disappointing response critics.
The massive heat not important?
As if it had nothing to do with anything? |
Ok. How did this "massive heat" affect the collapse of the towers?
| Quote: | Can't think of a good reason for doing it?
WE have to supply a MOTIVE???
The collapse wasn't symmetrical? |
A motive would be a good start yes.
Well, the mess it left behind doesn't look very symmetrical. Maybe you'd like to show me otherwise.
| Quote: | | I'm stunned at the weakness of response, considering this 'death knell' - answers nothing about what makes the event remarkable. A collapsed building is in itself not suspicious. |
What apart from the fact that terrorists decided to fly planes into the twin towers is remarkable exactly?
| Quote: | | Btw I just searched the pdf and the words symmetry or symmetrical or any aspect realting to the specific manner of collapse (unless 'vertical progression' is what you refer to) is absent. |
Have you actually read the document you are criticising? Using an automated search to look for key words is not the same thing as reading it.
| Quote: | | Looks like Shill Systems Inc Albuquerque, New Mexico will have to sink another few million dollars into it to make this turkey fly. |
Looks like more moonbat paranoia that will stop people from taking you seriously. |
Yet more non answers. I'll wait a little longer while you confer. |
Oh I'm sorry, if you clarify the points up there I just asked you about, we can have a discussion. Until you offer me something of substance to discuss with you all I can do is ask you for clarification of your points. So by all means give me your answers and we can progress. |
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I see the JREF's have voted for WTC7 to try and plump some straw under the argument
Read the document
Quite funny
Given a couple of days, easy enough to take apart
Get Mark Roberts here and it might be worth the effort: I'm sure that's already in the pipeline  
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This deluded Mark Roberts guy, what does he actually do for a living?
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chipmunk stew
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| prole art threat wrote: | | Mark Roberts, what does he actually do for a living? |
He's a tour guide in NYC.
What do you think of the information presented in the document? |
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chipmunk stew
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: The death of MIHOP |
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| chek wrote: | | While there is lots of documentation of FDNY predicting a collapse - and that some collapse was expected |
I think you should re-read the hundred-some quotes from eyewitnesses starting around page 37. They expected total collapse. |
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chek
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | prole art threat wrote: | | Mark Roberts, what does he actually do for a living? |
He's a tour guide in NYC.
What do you think of the information presented in the document? |
The testimonies are good to have in a single source - I'm still reading through the previous download I have.
But as an explanation, it's thin.
When I see an explantion that addresses all the issues, then I'll be impressed.
Is it a beta release pending feedback? |
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chek
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| jsut_peopel wrote: | | chek wrote: | | jsut_peopel wrote: | | chek wrote: | Disappointing response critics.
The massive heat not important?
As if it had nothing to do with anything? |
Ok. How did this "massive heat" affect the collapse of the towers?
| Quote: | Can't think of a good reason for doing it?
WE have to supply a MOTIVE???
The collapse wasn't symmetrical? |
A motive would be a good start yes.
Well, the mess it left behind doesn't look very symmetrical. Maybe you'd like to show me otherwise.
| Quote: | | I'm stunned at the weakness of response, considering this 'death knell' - answers nothing about what makes the event remarkable. A collapsed building is in itself not suspicious. |
What apart from the fact that terrorists decided to fly planes into the twin towers is remarkable exactly?
| Quote: | | Btw I just searched the pdf and the words symmetry or symmetrical or any aspect realting to the specific manner of collapse (unless 'vertical progression' is what you refer to) is absent. |
Have you actually read the document you are criticising? Using an automated search to look for key words is not the same thing as reading it.
| Quote: | | Looks like Shill Systems Inc Albuquerque, New Mexico will have to sink another few million dollars into it to make this turkey fly. |
Looks like more moonbat paranoia that will stop people from taking you seriously. |
Yet more non answers. I'll wait a little longer while you confer. |
Oh I'm sorry, if you clarify the points up there I just asked you about, we can have a discussion. Until you offer me something of substance to discuss with you all I can do is ask you for clarification of your points. So by all means give me your answers and we can progress. |
Sorry mate, I think I'll wait till the organ grinder shows up. No offence. |
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | prole art threat wrote: | | Mark Roberts, what does he actually do for a living? |
He's a tour guide in NYC.
What do you think of the information presented in the document? |
It's bollox and it will never see daylight. It will never be published because the guy is mentally ill. How come he hasnt asked Jimmy Walters for that million, yet?
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If your delusion was peeled away and you could see how you are going out of your way to hinder a beautiful movement, you would be horrified. Youre dirty, sickening people, like rodents scurrying around, scavenging for cheap tricks. Quite disgusting. There is a double bed in hell with yours and Mark Roberts' name tag on it.
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chek
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: The death of MIHOP |
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | chek wrote: | | While there is lots of documentation of FDNY predicting a collapse - and that some collapse was expected |
I think you should re-read the hundred-some quotes from eyewitnesses starting around page 37. They expected total collapse. |
I accept that some collapse was expected - I don't know how anyone could expect total collapse - as in every last girder - let alone a collapse so neat as to leave a debris field of no more than perimeter plus 70ft (NIST figure).
To attempt to imply that would happen naturally - and indeed is the only possible outcome is - misleading to say the least. |
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chipmunk stew
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| chek wrote: | | Btw I just searched the pdf and the words symmetry or symmetrical or any aspect realting to the specific manner of collapse (unless 'vertical progression' is what you refer to) is absent. |
You're right, he doesn't address symmetry directly. However, starting on about page 75 he addresses the messiness of the collapse, the "squibs", the lack of explosions directly before the collapse, "near freefall", "minor fires", Stephen Jones' deliberate(?) misrepresentations, an on and on and on.
But you're interested in "symmetry", which I guess is the ultimate test of whether or not something is a CD. Okay, first get familiar with this:
http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf
Particularly pages L-27 through L-31, L-34 through L-36, and L-46 through L-51.
Look for the phrase "horizontal progression of failure".
Also, the collapse wasn't really all that symmetrical. The east penthouse dropped several seconds before the rest of the building began to drop, the collapse resulted in massive damage to the upper section of 30 West Broadway (north of WTC7), and the building kinked and listed to the south. This site shows that last point very clearly, near the bottom:
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm |
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chipmunk stew
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| chek wrote: | | chipmunk stew wrote: | | prole art threat wrote: | | Mark Roberts, what does he actually do for a living? |
He's a tour guide in NYC.
What do you think of the information presented in the document? |
The testimonies are good to have in a single source - I'm still reading through the previous download I have.
But as an explanation, it's thin.
When I see an explantion that addresses all the issues, then I'll be impressed.
Is it a beta release pending feedback? |
I don't know. But he's very open to constructive feedback. His email address is on the cover page.
edit: Alternatively, you could register at JREF forum, which he frequents. Or you could email him and ask if he would address your concerns here (he has an active account, I believe). |
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chek
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | chek wrote: | | chipmunk stew wrote: | | prole art threat wrote: | | Mark Roberts, what does he actually do for a living? |
He's a tour guide in NYC.
What do you think of the information presented in the document? |
The testimonies are good to have in a single source - I'm still reading through the previous download I have.
But as an explanation, it's thin.
When I see an explantion that addresses all the issues, then I'll be impressed.
Is it a beta release pending feedback? |
I don't know. But he's very open to constructive feedback. His email address is on the cover page.
edit: Alternatively, you could register at JREF forum, which he frequents. Or you could email him and ask if he would address your concerns here (he has an active account, I believe). |
Uh... is that it? What with all the build up I was expecting to be sending hate mail to Steve Jones this eveniing.
Ah well - better luck next time. |
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chipmunk stew
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a beautiful movement
by prole art threat
Youre dirty, sickening people,
like rodents scurrying around,
scavenging for cheap tricks.
Quite disgusting.
There is a double bed in hell
with yours and Mark Roberts' name tag on it. |
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chipmunk stew
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| chek wrote: | | chipmunk stew wrote: | | chek wrote: | | chipmunk stew wrote: | | prole art threat wrote: | | Mark Roberts, what does he actually do for a living? |
He's a tour guide in NYC.
What do you think of the information presented in the document? |
The testimonies are good to have in a single source - I'm still reading through the previous download I have.
But as an explanation, it's thin.
When I see an explantion that addresses all the issues, then I'll be impressed.
Is it a beta release pending feedback? |
I don't know. But he's very open to constructive feedback. His email address is on the cover page.
edit: Alternatively, you could register at JREF forum, which he frequents. Or you could email him and ask if he would address your concerns here (he has an active account, I believe). |
Uh... is that it? What with all the build up I was expecting to be sending hate mail to Steve Jones this eveniing.
Ah well - better luck next time. |
What do you mean: "Is that it?" You asked me about feedback. Are you going to contact the "organ grinder" or not? Maybe after conversing with Mark, you will be sending Jones hate mail. (It's doubtful, as you're one of the true believers. But hope springs eternal.) |
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chipmunk stew
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| John White wrote: | | Get Mark Roberts here and it might be worth the effort: I'm sure that's already in the pipeline |
It's not, but if you'd like him to address you personally, his email is on the cover page. Invite him here if you think it would be a worthwhile effort. |
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