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conspiracy analyst Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:38 pm Post subject: Korea-What Happens Next? |
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Korea has announced that it has launched a nuclear missile test.
Taking into account that it is one of the axis of evil countries how will the USA now react?
Taking into account Rumsfield sold nuclear reactors to the country is it once more a case of the pot calling the kettle black?
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2003/05/12/3423 16/index.htm |
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Roger the Horse Moderate Poster
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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I'd be surprised if we see any immediate action other than more sanctions to be honest. One of the main results of the North Korean tests will be that it will make any future action against Iran due to apparent uranium enrichment even more absurd. Mind you, when has that ever stopped Bush and co? _________________ Only sheep need a leader. |
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xmasdale Angel - now passed away
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1959 Location: South London
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Of course it's regrettable and deplorable that the state of fear in the world is such that North Korea feels obliged to join the nuclear club.
The hypocrisy of the other eight members of that club, with their attitude of it's OK for responsible people like us to have them but you mustn't, is sickening. They are in breach of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty in that they have done nothing to abolish or even reduce their nuclear weapons stockpiles, a requirement of the treaty. India and Pakistan have notably upped the anti by recently acquiring such weapons. Israel stays quiet but, thanks to the bravery of the long persecuted Mordechai Vanunu, is known to have such weapons.
The only two members of the nuclear club who have shown responsibility are South Africa and Ukraine who have both got rid of their nuclear weapons. |
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Andrew Johnson Mighty Poster
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Remember, the media is probably as corrupt as the government. This is more smoke and mirrors (they may truly have tested something, they may not).
I haven't been able to find much corroboration of this but, ALex Jones often references a story in 2003 of a Korean Missile test reaching Alaskal....
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200303/kt2003030417272311970.ht m
So how significant is this story even if it's true? Possible Answer: as significant as they want it to be...? _________________ Andrew
Ask the Tough Questions, Folks! |
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Bicnarok Moderate Poster
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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What I can´t understand is why other countries like France did numerous Nuclear tests on thier path of development, but N. Korea cannot.
Ok they are apparently a threat , dangerous part of the axis of evil etc as the media and governments will have us believe. But can you blame them, when you look at how the US aggression based on lies is esculating.
Ok Nuclear tests arn´t good for the inviroment and the earth, thats one reason why they shouldn´t happen, but you can´t have one rule for one country another for another.
I don´t think sanctions will effect N.korea anyway, seeing as they are removed from the western world community in many ways. They will probably be left alone now seeing as they can retaliate in a big way. _________________ "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our mind..." Bod Marley |
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brian Validated Poster
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Night follows day -
MK: N. Korean test shows West must act fast on Iran
By Haaretz Service and Agencies
"...Perhaps this case, that of North Korea, will teach them a lesson regarding the Iran issue," Sneh told Israel Radio, referring to the West. "Israeli policy should take advantage of what happened, in order to explain and persuade the international community, saying to it, 'Do something, before it's too late.'" -
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/772278.html |
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Andrew Johnson Mighty Poster
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Spinning the windmills of our minds.... _________________ Andrew
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gypsum Moderate Poster
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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brian wrote: | Night follows day -
MK: N. Korean test shows West must act fast on Iran
By Haaretz Service and Agencies
"...Perhaps this case, that of North Korea, will teach them a lesson regarding the Iran issue," Sneh told Israel Radio, referring to the West. "Israeli policy should take advantage of what happened, in order to explain and persuade the international community, saying to it, 'Do something, before it's too late.'" -
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/772278.html |
Hmm I had a feeling people would try and drag Iran into this, despite the fact that Iran has continually said they have no interest whatsoever in having nuclear weapons.
On the BBC news one of their 'experts' said it would take N.Korea about 5 years to fully develop a nuclear weapon. So why all the fuss about Iran when they're nowhere near the stage that N.Korea is at.
I've always said no country should have nuclear weapons, but as others have said, if one country can have them as a deterrent then why can't another. It's that old case of double standards again |
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Pincher Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: |
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You lot don't get it do you? And I am not going to spell it out for you. Get yourselves an atlas and, if you scraped GCSE Geography, it might just dawn on you who the North Korean nuclear weapons programme really belongs to.
There again, your ideological blinkers will probably stop you from seeing what's right on the end of your nose... |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Spill the beans then Pincher? |
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zappasearcher Minor Poster
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: |
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I think Pincher is refering to China. I am inclined to think this way myself too.
In fact I would argue that the oil and drugs in the Middle East are only secondary concerns (and used to finance ops) but being in control of the area to be as close to China's borders is the real concern for the 'West'.
Of course, no doubt the Chinese backers are the same people who are backing the 'West' - ie; Int'l Banking Cartel aka Rothschilds et al. _________________ Hydrogen is not the most plentiful thing in the world. Stupidity is. - Frank Zappa (1940 - 1993) |
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Serge Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: |
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N Korea is no more part of an axis of evil than the US and UK. Because a country stands up and refuses to bow to pressure from the US Gov, makes this country Evil?. Cobblers.
All lies and propaganda. During the cold war, lies and propaganda were rife, and we were lead to believe the west was good, and the east was bad. The truth is, the west is bad. With monsters like Bush and Blair about, is it any wonder why a nuclear deterent is sought by many?. Isn't it strange that nobody has asked 'what has N Koread done wrong anyway?'.
The British media and Bliars cronies are merely brainwashing people into thinking N Korea is bad and portrayed as being run by another nutter. As if Iran, Iraq etc... was not enough?.
Nothing to fear from N Korea, but everything to fear from Bliar and Bush. _________________ The most transparent of all materials on this Earth is a politician. |
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Woodee Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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North Korea has weapons of mass destruction.... INVADE INVADE!!!!! _________________
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Pincher Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Serge wrote: | N Korea is no more part of an axis of evil than the US and UK. Because a country stands up and refuses to bow to pressure from the US Gov, makes this country Evil?. Cobblers.
All lies and propaganda. During the cold war, lies and propaganda were rife, and we were lead to believe the west was good, and the east was bad. The truth is, the west is bad. With monsters like Bush and Blair about, is it any wonder why a nuclear deterent is sought by many?. Isn't it strange that nobody has asked 'what has N Koread done wrong anyway?'.
The British media and Bliars cronies are merely brainwashing people into thinking N Korea is bad and portrayed as being run by another nutter. As if Iran, Iraq etc... was not enough?.
Nothing to fear from N Korea, but everything to fear from Bliar and Bush. |
I can hardly contain my anger at your crass ignorance and stupidity. Either that, or you don't think there is anything wrong with NK starving anything up to 2,000,000 of its own citizens to death, murdering 400,000 political opponents and incarcerating millions for trivial, obscure offences.
And much of this is done with Beijing's approval. Contrary to what the media f*ckwits might say the NK nuclear weapons programme is China's programme. It is designed to cow and bully its more independent neighbours (South Korea and Japan) and to bring about a reunited Korea on its terms (ie brutally repressive and corrupt).
You are either a callow youth or a really silly old fool. I don't quite know where to begin to challenge your juvenile/senile assumptions about the cold war. Somehow a simple 'death count' doesn't seem appropriate because as one modern sage put it: 'one death is a tragedy, a thousand is a statistic.'
I'll just say then that the Sino/Soviet socialist experiments resulted in the following statistic - 250,000,000 tragedies. |
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Serge Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Pincher wrote: | Serge wrote: | N Korea is no more part of an axis of evil than the US and UK. Because a country stands up and refuses to bow to pressure from the US Gov, makes this country Evil?. Cobblers.
All lies and propaganda. During the cold war, lies and propaganda were rife, and we were lead to believe the west was good, and the east was bad. The truth is, the west is bad. With monsters like Bush and Blair about, is it any wonder why a nuclear deterent is sought by many?. Isn't it strange that nobody has asked 'what has N Koread done wrong anyway?'.
The British media and Bliars cronies are merely brainwashing people into thinking N Korea is bad and portrayed as being run by another nutter. As if Iran, Iraq etc... was not enough?.
Nothing to fear from N Korea, but everything to fear from Bliar and Bush. |
I can hardly contain my anger at your crass ignorance and stupidity. Either that, or you don't think there is anything wrong with NK starving anything up to 2,000,000 of its own citizens to death, murdering 400,000 political opponents and incarcerating millions for trivial, obscure offences.
And much of this is done with Beijing's approval. Contrary to what the media f*ckwits might say the NK nuclear weapons programme is China's programme. It is designed to cow and bully its more independent neighbours (South Korea and Japan) and to bring about a reunited Korea on its terms (ie brutally repressive and corrupt).
You are either a callow youth or a really silly old fool. I don't quite know where to begin to challenge your juvenile/senile assumptions about the cold war. Somehow a simple 'death count' doesn't seem appropriate because as one modern sage put it: 'one death is a tragedy, a thousand is a statistic.'
I'll just say then that the Sino/Soviet socialist experiments resulted in the following statistic - 250,000,000 tragedies. |
Somehow, I think it is you who is being ignorant and crass stupid.
Don't trade insults with me pal, it is not a wise thing to do!. You have posted naff all to back up your assumptions, you just simply hurl verbal abuse, so have some back you fool.
If this makes you angry then so be it, but keyboard warriors matter not one jot!. _________________ The most transparent of all materials on this Earth is a politician. |
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conspiracy analyst Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: NOt even Bond can save the Yanks |
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Pincher wrote: | Serge wrote: | N Korea is no more part of an axis of evil than the US and UK. Because a country stands up and refuses to bow to pressure from the US Gov, makes this country Evil?. Cobblers.
All lies and propaganda. During the cold war, lies and propaganda were rife, and we were lead to believe the west was good, and the east was bad. The truth is, the west is bad. With monsters like Bush and Blair about, is it any wonder why a nuclear deterent is sought by many?. Isn't it strange that nobody has asked 'what has N Koread done wrong anyway?'.
The British media and Bliars cronies are merely brainwashing people into thinking N Korea is bad and portrayed as being run by another nutter. As if Iran, Iraq etc... was not enough?.
Nothing to fear from N Korea, but everything to fear from Bliar and Bush. |
I can hardly contain my anger at your crass ignorance and stupidity. Either that, or you don't think there is anything wrong with NK starving anything up to 2,000,000 of its own citizens to death, murdering 400,000 political opponents and incarcerating millions for trivial, obscure offences.
And much of this is done with Beijing's approval. Contrary to what the media f*ckwits might say the NK nuclear weapons programme is China's programme. It is designed to cow and bully its more independent neighbours (South Korea and Japan) and to bring about a reunited Korea on its terms (ie brutally repressive and corrupt).
You are either a callow youth or a really silly old fool. I don't quite know where to begin to challenge your juvenile/senile assumptions about the cold war. Somehow a simple 'death count' doesn't seem appropriate because as one modern sage put it: 'one death is a tragedy, a thousand is a statistic.'
I'll just say then that the Sino/Soviet socialist experiments resulted in the following statistic - 250,000,000 tragedies. |
Why dont you add 50 billion to solve your maths conundrums. The bigger the number the better it sounds. Its better the Chinese were under the British empire getting high on opium. That after all would have avoided would it not the Japanese invasion and the ensuing civil war.
The USA wants to get over its first large scale military defeat, when they actually proved to the world they couldn't fight for they had no motives other than pure greed (Korean war) and ever since they have been fighting smaller and smaller countries to feel good, last of them being Iraq and Lebanon. Even there they are losing it... but thats another story.
The issue at hand is that Korea now has the bomb. Lets see what they do or do they only ever pick on schoolkids. For if they were searching for the weapons of mass destruction and they weren't found in Iraq they should leave forthwith and invade Korea. They have stated they have them.
That would be a laugh. Not even a Bond film would save them on that one... |
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Pincher Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:19 am Post subject: |
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Bongo Brian wrote: | Quote: | I can hardly contain my anger at your crass ignorance and stupidity. Either that, or you don't think there is anything wrong with NK starving anything up to 2,000,000 of its own citizens to death, murdering 400,000 political opponents and incarcerating millions for trivial, obscure offences. |
Could you please provide a source for the content of this statement Pincher? |
With pleasure Bongo ol' chum:
David Aaronavitch* in Yesterday's Times. As for details on the East's other atrocities it might be worth reading:
'The Gulag Archipelago' - Alexander Solzhenitsyn (NB the chapter headed: 'The History of our Waste Disposal System')
'Mao Ze Dong - Mao The Untold Story' & 'Wild Swans' - Jung Chang (NB the chapter on the so-called 'Great Leap Forward' in the former tome which describes how grain was deliberately withheld & exported to cull the Chinese peasantry by 80,000,000).
It might be going from the profound to the utterly banal to say you would still not be able, today, to post on forums like this in either state but judging by the comments above...
...I'm sure that this bit of bathos is lost on most of you.
* DA is a former Communist Party of Great Britain member and one time President of NUS. |
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Banish Moderate Poster
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:40 am Post subject: |
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Why bother with NUKES when 10.000 ltrs of kerosene can wipe out Manhattan?? |
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Briaman Minor Poster
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Banish wrote: | Why bother with NUKES when 10.000 ltrs of kerosene can wipe out Manhattan?? |
Well, there is the problem of getting the 10,000 litres of Kerosene there and placing it so as to be able to wipe out Manhattan when you light it without being detected by the people, police and intelligence services. A nuke with a yield equivalent to 2000 tons of TNT is not more powerful than 2000 tons of TNT but a 1 ton nuke it is much more convenient as a weapon than 2000 tons of TNT. _________________ Error in module creativity.dll : unable to create witty comment.
Abort / Retry / Ignore |
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