A Truth

[Andrew Johnson]

Way Hay!!

Sorry if I put you off MM - must be just a "clash of personalities" I suppose - quite a few people have taken up my offer of materials distributed at cost price.

They have done this from places as far apart as Dundee and Ho chi Min City....

I LOVE IT!

[IronSnot]

[suspecta]

By the way, Andrew - great video! I've been asking my friends and acquaintances exactly the same question over the last few months and without exception they all said 'two buildings collapsed'. Nobody seems to know about WTC7 except people who've dug around on the internet.

It's absolutely scandalous. One person, when I told them about WTC7, actually said: 'but how do you know that's true? Because you've read it on the internet?' (Ie why should that make it true?)

This is why I'm ordering dvd's with the intention of copying them and giving them out to as many people as possible to get the info out there. The ignorance of most people on all this is staggering really.

Suspecta

[Andrew Johnson]

[IronSnot]

I don't think you should be a moderator. You're too antagonistic to genuine researchers/dissenters and too encouraging of idiots.

Why don't you pass it on to somebody like John White?

Way heh!

[Andrew Johnson]

[Andrew Johnson]

A quick summary of this thread for readers:

1) MM opens with suggestions as to how the campaign might behave
2) ADJ (me) responds asking him what campaigning he has done
3) MM says "none apart from speaking to friends"
4) ADJ suggests this is curious
5) MM suggests ADJ should change his sig
6) Later IronSnot joins in saying he "largely agrees with MM" on this thread.
7) IronSnot makes comments about the ownership of the board and incorrectly assumes certain factors about ADJ's role in this
8) ADJ points out these erroneous assumptions
9) IronSnot later suggests ADJ should "ban him" from the board
10) ADJ points out he is unable to do this (I am a moderator, not a sysadmin). ADJ indulges in a little scorn and ridicule (rightly or wrongly) because the discussion does not really focus on any 9/11 Truth issues (apart from ADJ providing some video evidence of his own humble campaign efforts)
11) Offers of free campaign materials are not taken up and not discussed much
12) Ironsnot starts a new thread in General showing ADJ's (yes it is mine) not particularly good Chemtrail time lapse video:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=31081#31081

(ADJ has made his position on Chemtrails quite clear and this can easily be discovered by searching other threads on this board).

Hmm - would be it be that IronSnot and MM have tried to deflect the discussion from 9/11 Truth and portray ADJ in a rather bad light (even though he is a self-professed sanctimonious git)?

Well, how could I possibly comment in a balanced objective way about this evidence, being as I am inimately involved with it....

Readers please decide. Or maybe we should have a poll. Naaa - that would be too crass.

Enjoy today everyone!!

[Ally]

I don't come here to attack people but it's clear ironsnot only comes here for that reason, never seen anything in his vacuous post to indicate otherwise.

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

The impression I get of Ironsnot is of a deeply disturbed thoroughly unpleasant character

[Veronica]

Ally/TruthWillSetU3,

IronSnot is a Troll.

He is simply doing his job.

He probably gets a big bonk out of it.

I guess he must get something.

[Andrew Johnson]

Just to make IronSnot's motives absolutely clear, have a look at his other post here:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=31102#31102

Also, listen to the snatch of music...

[Veronica]

I suppose Ghostbusters is something that may come to mind.

What came to my mind were the words of my friend in Chicago.

If you bother to read that link a little further, you will find a suggestion about how to clear up a Forum. You will see that one of the suggestions is to suppress the personal attacks - such as the one I made against the Aussie Troll IronSnot (Major Poster ... wow).

Stay in singlethink! Keep perspective. If this Troll had not infiltrated in the first place, then calling a spade a spade and a fork a fork would not have been necessary. Would it?

In this particular case what is happening is that IronSnot is attempting to provoke Andrew Johnson into 'Moderating' IronSnot's posts. This would enable IronSnot to scream "Censorship! Free speech? Rubbish!". And, to IronSnot's chagrin, Andrew isn't biting. This leaves IronSnot empty-handed ... which is the way it should be.

(However it does achieve IronSnot's secondary goal ... that of wasting everyone's time)

[Andrew Johnson]

[Veronica]

[Mark Gobell]

Thanks for the 9/11 leaflets Andrew, received this morning. I think they're a great resource and will get busy with them this very evening. The business cards are a great idea too. Well done. Anyone who is interested in having leaflets avialable should contact ADJ they are double sided A5 glossy high quality and well worth the money.

[Belinda]

Great thread, a microcosm of the kind of stuff that's typical of this Forum – what sharp minds and abrasive personalities 9/11 seems to attract, good! Never let it never be forgot we’re dealing with mega-crime here, this issue is not for the faint-hearted, we might even be able to use the odd troll or two down the line!

Personally though, being busy as well as old and a bit dim I can't keep up with most of these spats and arguments, despite by some mysterious internal process having been elected a Moderator (sorry not to have done much moderating so far!!)

Actually I no longer see a huge need for Moderation, since we’re on the point of having another more ‘respectable’ website for the Campaign proper, where hopefully consensus rather than conflict will prevail.

I used to think it would be good to have a Critics Corner but where d’you draw the line, with this type of stuff going on even between people purporting to be on the same side – “with friends like this who needs enemies”!!!

But I now think it’s OK to leave people to slog it out freely; as said, most of our regulars are by now inured to the trolls while newcomers will hopefully be more interested in the films and stuff about forthcoming events in the first instance.

My own focus remains the CAMPAIGN as opposed to the debate and making sure that stays on course. The 9/11 Truth Campaign is first and foremost exactly that, a campaign, ie. it’s about getting out there and about DOING stuff and talking to people face-to-face, not just arguing between ourselves on the internet. We have a huge public education job to do and a whole world to wake up; ask yourself when you post anything on this Forum, is what I’m going to say here really helping my colleagues/our work??

If we all practice this discipline it will soon become clear who is genuinely dedicated to the cause and who may have a less honourable interest. I really do urge people with the possible exception of Andrew who’s shrewd and patient enough to make an object-lesson out of these tiresome exchanges! not to waste time and energy arguing with people who are persistently negative/argumentative. We are fortunate that there is sufficient agreement between us on the main issue, namely that the official version of the events of 9/11 is WRONG and that a proper, independent inquiry is needed (including into the cover-up itself), as well as sufficient solid evidence backed up by basic science to show how and why it’s wrong, and with which by now most of us are very familiar. So there’s no need IMO to get bogged down in arguments about peripheral issues that remain speculative, such as what types of planes hit the Towers or whether there were any planes at all, unless of course these arguments take the form of rational and civilised discussion rather than mud-slinging.

I’d say to any seeking to influence the voters on this Forum or worse to disrupt us you’re highly unlikely to succeed unless

a) you have some interesting and genuine NEW info. to impart or a convincingly-argued new angle on the facts;

b) you’re actually DOING something to spread 9/11 Truth as well as talking about it

In the latter respect Andrew ‘wins’ hands down over the types who’ve been baiting him on this particular thread. In fact I doubt anyone can match Andrew’s personal contribution to 9/11 Truth! As a member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth as well as our own network he’s helped produce scientific analyses of the events in NY, Washington & Penn.; he regularly lectures on 9/11; he takes his laptop to public rallies so he can literally show people the 3rd Tower being blown up, etc.; he’s regularly on the streets in his home-town talking to the public about 9/11; he’s sent streams of letters & emails to MPs, the BBC, the entire UK police-force, the press & media, scientific and academic colleagues and god knows who-all; he’s prepared and distributed well-written campaigning leaflets and briefings for us all to use (see last post from Mark Gobell!), he keeps me and no doubt a whole string of others supplied with all kinds of informative posts and emails on a daily basis, he’s always available to answer questions and help sort problems, etc. etc..

I doubt the 3-4 newish guys with wierd names have even begun to put their feet where their heads are and following Andrew’s example actually go out and DO something for 9/11 Truth or they’d be singing a different tune.

So stop yacking guys and get stuck in, unless you’ve got anything new to tell us which doesn’t look likely at this stage.

[IronSnot]

Yeah I have something.

I'll share it with you when I've expanded it a little. It's about the Al-Shehis. It's very interesting.

Andrew might indeed do a lot of good work for the 9/11 movement. But that's all in vain while he keeps the checktheevidence stuff in plain view, as it gives the Critics the easiest rebuttal there is available.

Andrew is a nut. (I hope you realise this isn't my opinion)

[IronSnot]

[IronSnot]

[Andrew Johnson]

[Andrew Johnson]

[chipmunk stew]

[Andrew Johnson]

Chippy Mon Ami,

With posts like that, we can use you as a perpetual motion machine! Great!

PS Did I ever compliment you on your handle - which surely encourages people to take you seriously. Hmmm, but that's perhaps not your main intent is it?

[IronSnot]

[IronSnot]

[MiniMauve]

You know what? You're right, Andrew. This thread does belong in the Critics Corner because it fits right in with the most one-sided, unflinchingly refusal to face the truth that any critic has portrayed here.

[chipmunk stew]

[IronSnot]

[John White]

Can you say the word: "opposames"

I dont think thats 100% fair to Andrew, in fact theres a lot of talk on this thread with people not being fair to each other

Nonetheless, its worth noting that whatever we fight we risk becomming, and the challenge of truthseeking is balancing passion with holding clarity

There's "A Truth"

[Andrew Johnson]

Way Hey!

Challenge:

MiniMauve, IronSnot etc:

Post a name, address and contact telephone number.

Then we'll see who we should take seriously. And MM - you're doing it again - personalising the issue. It's easy with me as everyone knows who I am - you are an anonymous poster whom we know next to nothing about.

9/11 Truth, like other matters on my website is based on EVIDENCE not MY EGO. Let's all remember that shall we? I am a nobody who is not worth insulting. People can check the EVIDENCE for themselves. All I do is "put it out there" with some commentary for people to accept or reject. It's that simple.

All the other points you raise are irrelevant to that larger picture. Sorry guys.

I don't expect respect from people - indeed I don't want it. I want them to wake up to the truth. I hope understand, but I guess, for various reasons, you don't.

People want to drag other things into the discussion - and once 9/11 Truth is fully exposed in the public consciousness, the other issues will follow (I know this from experience). So my view is the exact opposite of yours - and it is one shared privately by a surprising number of people I have spoken to.

Enjoy!!