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what date is important to remember? 31 may 2006 - that was ages ago - I think the biometric passports have started from 2 weeks ago?
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Without wishing to appear like I am in favour of the ID card concept, it says on the supplied link regarding the passport aspect;
You get at least ten years of privacy before your passport renewal forces you to get an ID card.
Can someone outline exactly what details we should be reluctant to part with and how answering some questions infringes on privacy? In other words, what private aspects of our lives are revealed that are currently kept 'secret'?
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| zappasearcher wrote: | | what date is important to remember? 31 may 2006 - that was ages ago - I think the biometric passports have started from 2 weeks ago? |
Sry I should have really linked to this one not the pledge site :0
http://www.renewforfreedom.org/
and telecasterisation if your not in favour of ID cards? the data collected is stored on a database for future use on the new ID card scheme and the new cost of the passport is also to fund the new scheme 
You are right it is 06 cut off which means the press has blatently lied because I was planning to ditch mine before the end of 07!
I only wish my PC wasn't down so I could find the original article I was planning my passport change around
For all those that think ID is the way forward remember all things made are duplicatable, and just think if a government controls such a tool do you think we would be able to discuss faults within our leadership openly??
I recomend all to watch Terry Gilliams 'Brazil directors cut' to see the dangers that await if we go down this line of thought!!
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| Quote: | | Titterington pointed to the U.K.'s police criminal records database, which is known to have built up numerous inaccuracies over the years. "That is a database of a much smaller scale than the one the government is proposing and it only allows access to law enforcement officials with the highest levels of clearance," Titterington said. "How on earth do you control legitimate access to the ID card database, let alone keep it protected from hackers and terrorists?" |
http://www.thestandard.com/internetnews/002500.php
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| Disco_Destroyer wrote: | | zappasearcher wrote: | | what date is important to remember? 31 may 2006 - that was ages ago - I think the biometric passports have started from 2 weeks ago? |
Sry I should have really linked to this one not the pledge site :0
http://www.renewforfreedom.org/
and telecasterisation if your not in favour of ID cards? the data collected is stored on a database for future use on the new ID card scheme and the new cost of the passport is also to fund the new scheme
You are right it is 06 cut off which means the press has blatently lied because I was planning to ditch mine before the end of 07!
I only wish my PC wasn't down so I could find the original article I was planning my passport change around
For all those that think ID is the way forward remember all things made are duplicatable, and just think if a government controls such a tool do you think we would be able to discuss faults within our leadership openly??
I recomend all to watch Terry Gilliams 'Brazil directors cut' to see the dangers that await if we go down this line of thought!! |
Found the News so who lies the BBC or is NO2ID run by the Government??
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4860642.stm
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VOTE RESULTS
Should the UK have ID cards?
Yes
17%
No
83%
8958 Votes Cast
Results are indicative and may not reflect public opinion
Vote now closed
BBC Poll
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| Quote: | | and telecasterisation if your not in favour of ID cards? the data collected is stored on a database for future use on the new ID card scheme and the new cost of the passport is also to fund the new scheme |
Okay, but I did ask for a simple sentence outlining what is the collected data that people find so difficult to part with? I genuinely can't think of anything that they haven't already got except DNA.
| Quote: | | I recomend all to watch Terry Gilliams 'Brazil directors cut' to see the dangers that await if we go down this line of thought!! |
Damn straight, but I recommend watching E.T. to witness the problems living with aliens can lead to. Flying bicycles are a b* to control.
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Telecasterisation -
From:http://www.no2id.net/IDSchemes/whyNot.php
Not just a card. The card is the least of it... #
The proposed identity management system has multiple layers #
The NIR (National Identity Register) — individual checking and numbering of the population — marking many personal details as "registrable facts" to be disclosed and constantly updated — collection and checking of biometrics (e.g. fingerprints) — the card itself — a widespread scanner network and secure (one hopes) infrastructure connecting it to the central database — provision for use across the private and public sectors — data-sharing between organisations on an unprecedented scale.
Massive accumulation of personal data #
50 categories of registrable fact are set out in the Bill, though they could be added to. Effectively an index to all other official and quasi-official records, through cross-references and an audit trail of all checks on the Register, the NIR would be the key to a total life history of every individual, to be retained even after death.
Lifelong surveillance and the meta-database #
Every registered individual will be under an obligation to notify any change in registrable facts. It is a clear aim of the system to require identity verification for many more civil transactions, the occasions to be stored in the audit trail. Information verified and indexed by numbers from the NIR would be easily cross-referenced in any database or set of databases. The "meta-database" of all the thousands of databases cross-referenced is much more powerful and much less secure than the NIR itself
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| telecasterisation wrote: | | Quote: | | and telecasterisation if your not in favour of ID cards? the data collected is stored on a database for future use on the new ID card scheme and the new cost of the passport is also to fund the new scheme |
Okay, but I did ask for a simple sentence outlining what is the collected data that people find so difficult to part with? I genuinely can't think of anything that they haven't already got except DNA.
| Quote: | | I recomend all to watch Terry Gilliams 'Brazil directors cut' to see the dangers that await if we go down this line of thought!! |
Damn straight, but I recommend watching E.T. to witness the problems living with aliens can lead to. Flying bicycles are a b* to control. |
Well its the so called fool proof technology I'm affraid of not the information but I'm sure more nefarious uses will follow!
Are these things to stand in court as sole proof of identity? I'm sure that is the general plan! So that your body and soul is useless.
and yes not only is duplication a means to gain identity, you mean to tell me plastic surgery is not already in use for said purpose?
Weigh it all up and you have an easier way to control the masses without touching organised crime.
lol and they don't even want you to carry them, at least at first, so how can they prevent crime again? and so called Aliens 
Here these people don't even seem to want to give a date for us I wonder why??
http://www.passport.gov.uk/downloads/Leaflet_Proof_3.pdf
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Still the most disturbing aspect is who is telling the truth here?
BBC
NO2ID
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IPS
mind you it looks like BBC is the winner 
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| Disco_Destroyer wrote: | | telecasterisation wrote: | | Quote: | | and telecasterisation if your not in favour of ID cards? the data collected is stored on a database for future use on the new ID card scheme and the new cost of the passport is also to fund the new scheme |
Okay, but I did ask for a simple sentence outlining what is the collected data that people find so difficult to part with? I genuinely can't think of anything that they haven't already got except DNA.
| Quote: | | I recomend all to watch Terry Gilliams 'Brazil directors cut' to see the dangers that await if we go down this line of thought!! |
Damn straight, but I recommend watching E.T. to witness the problems living with aliens can lead to. Flying bicycles are a b* to control. |
Well its the so called fool proof technology I'm affraid of not the information but I'm sure more nefarious uses will follow!
Are these things to stand in court as sole proof of identity? I'm sure that is the general plan! So that your body and soul is useless.
and yes not only is duplication a means to gain identity, you mean to tell me plastic surgery is not already in use for said purpose?
Weigh it all up and you have an easier way to control the masses without touching organised crime.
lol and they don't even want you to carry them, at least at first, so how can they prevent crime again? and so called Aliens
Here these people don't even seem to want to give a date for us I wonder why??
http://www.passport.gov.uk/downloads/Leaflet_Proof_3.pdf |
I realise fingerprints and Iris scans are difficult to overcome but not impossible and they are not mandatory. There are also health implications for endless eye scans if they were ever mandatory.
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Just in from NO2ID:-
The situation is very confused and confusing. Most journalists aren't specialists and so half-understand government announcements that are deliberately misleading on this subject.
If you renew your passport now, then you will be looked-up on an Experian database (to see you are on the electoral record and buy things occasionally) as a check on your existence; and you will receive a chipped passport. But no further details are being taken from renewers for the moment, and no NIR database has been specified, so renewal *will* escape a compulsory registration - and probably will not provide the IPS with enough information to create a record on you for further use in the identity management system.
Best regards
Guy Herbert
General Secretary
NO2ID
Box 412, 19-21 Crawford Street
LONDON W1H 1PJ
Office phone: 020 7793 4005
www.no2id.net
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