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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:51 pm    Post subject: Most of us are cowards Reply with quote

So why aren't all of us spending all weekends in shopping centres shouting out "911 was an inside job" "Tony Blair ordered the London Bombings"?

Because we are scared that the public will think we are nutters

But we need to do it.

I will bullhorn a shopping centre if someone will hand out the leaflets

Who is up for it?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny you make this point.

On Saturday I went to a large shopping centre and there were several groups of bible bashers. All except one was the shouty 'You will burn in Hell' type job. I stood and watched and it was very clear that people don't like being shouted at, in fact they actually changed direction to create a wider path to avoid chummy who was yelling.

Some way further down the centre was another group who had a different approach entirely. They had a large flipchart and had taken a great deal of time and trouble in arranging a storyboard, okay this was the same type of subject matter as the other shouting groups, BUT they were surrounded by a fairly large audience. I watched this too and only four people who had stopped to watch actually walked away before it finished.

The moral of the story is, the Punch & Judy mentality is still a potent force even today. A free 'show' and people stop to watch whatever it is about.

Exchange the bullhorn for a carefully crafted presentation and you will influence a lot more people. Combine it with easy to understand pertinent leaflets and people will stop to watch, plus you will not attract the local constabulary.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

telecasterisation wrote:
Funny you make this point.

On Saturday I went to a large shopping centre and there were several groups of bible bashers. All except one was the shouty 'You will burn in Hell' type job. I stood and watched and it was very clear that people don't like being shouted at, in fact they actually changed direction to create a wider path to avoid chummy who was yelling.

Some way further down the centre was another group who had a different approach entirely. They had a large flipchart and had taken a great deal of time and trouble in arranging a storyboard, okay this was the same type of subject matter as the other shouting groups, BUT they were surrounded by a fairly large audience. I watched this too and only four people who had stopped to watch actually walked away before it finished.

The moral of the story is, the Punch & Judy mentality is still a potent force evven today. A free 'show' and people stop to watch whatever it is about.

Exchange the bullhorn for a carefully crafted presentation and you will influence a lot more people. Combine it with easy to understand pertinent leaflets and people will stop to watch, plus you will not attract the local constabulary.


i agree profoundely tele. Well said Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just plain arrogant to call the people here who don't want to stand around shouting in the street cowards. Most passers-by would think we're just more nutters and it might even do the cause more harm than good.

Well-placed letters in your local press, urging your local Stop the War group to show a video like 'Everybody's Gotta Learn' and then helping them go all out to publicise it is a far more effective way of operating.

Also, getting hold of and making as many copies of the best 9-11 dvd's as possible and urging every single person you know to watch them.

And emailing every single person in your address book with a link to a 9-11 dvd on Google Video, and urging them to send it on to everybody in their address book.

If you want to go around shouting on street corners that's your right, but we don't all have to be active in the same way.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said Tele...

Good PR is everything these days. You have to play the game to win as the current is far too strong to swim against!

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PS I also resent being called a coward - I'll do my bit on my terms.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with shouting at people in shopping centres is (apart from not looking like the kind of person who's political opinions are worthy of attention) that people are not in a situation where they're very receptive to information. Most people will be busy shopping and not want to stop.

I find targetting people where they are most receptive is important.

A great place is public transport - people are awlays looking for something to read on their train journey, so by leafletting trains you can cause a lot of people to absorb info.

Another place is more obvious, the internet. By posting on political sites and linking to films you can spread a great amount of info. At the moment I am providing a free 9/11 DVD service to a lot of music message boards. You'd be surprised to amount of people who say that they have be 'meaning to' find out about 9/11 Truth and when offered free DVDs are more than keen. I've posted out over 150 in the last fortnight - great responses.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so far Truth on this website you have called members pathetic and now cowards you really know how to rally the troops. Why dont you go out and bullhorn yourself instead of your I do it if you do it attitude. On your other thread you state you go up to strangers and hand out dvd's do you call them stupid or ignorant if they dont take one?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garcon

I said most of us are cowards (most of is not all)

The brave people on this site are those like Andrew who gives his full name and address - and he has now written to the entire police force twice.

If we had a few more like Andrew and a few less like you then this movement would be doing a whole lot better
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why are you bringing Andrew Johnson into this. I have never said a bad word about him, he seems to be very dedicated to the 9/11 truth movement and thats great. But im talking about you not Andrew Johnson calling people pathetic and cowards. You do not know what I do for the 9/11 truth because unlike you I dont come on here to blow my own or Andrew Johnsons trumpet.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for encouraging people away from their keyboards and out onto the streets or to engage in direct campaigning work (letter writing, staging film screenings, etc)

What I would stress over and over, is that this is happening anyway. I would like to see more happen of course but we are not just about being cyber campaigners.

Indeed many of the most active and effective campaigners in this country many people won't be aware of since don't or hardly ever post on this forum or elsewhere in cyberspace. Instead they are out there doing their own thing. Spreading their truth as best they know how.

I would just echo what others are saying. The how you approach people is everything.

Noel (xmasdale) and I have run stalls before and very successful they were. The format we found that worked was a stall (a wall paper pasting table) on which we placed a range of books and DVDs. We then had a small banner and wore 9/11 truth t-shirts. This allowed people to immediately see what we were about.

One of us would hand out general leaflets to passers-by together with a simple one line sentence such as "9/11 truth: end the war on terror" or "9/11 truth: check the evidence for yourself" and the other would man the stall.

Most people take a leaflet and move on. A good percentage would go to the stall and ask questions, etc.

Here I would stress there is a whole range of evidence that challenges the official story: intelligence warnings, the inexplicable air defense failures, the collapse of the 3 towers, etc, etc, that many, many prominent, credible people including relatives of the dead, military, intelligence and political leaders are calling for a new inquiry and illustrate this by showing the range of books and DVDs that are available. For most people this is news, they are plain unaware that such a thing as the 9/11 truth movement exists.

I then advice that the best introduction to the evidence to read a book like NPH and/or watch a selection of the best DVDs, which are available for a small donation to cover costs or if they don't want to give a couple of quid, I advise the films are watchable via the campaign website (if you have broadband). Total duration of 'pitch' about 1 minute. At all times I am friendly and relaxed. This works.

With the advent of youtube and google video, even this level of organisation may be over kill. Handing out a well crafted leaflet inviting people to watch certain videos via the internet to commuters at train/underground stations whilst dressed in a 9/11 truth t-shirt and a rucksack of DVDs for those that want them is easy to do and effective.

Now what with other things, I don't get out and about as much as I would like, but if anyone is interested in running a 9/11 truth stall based on this model in the Kingston or Richmond/Surrey area, contact me.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TSWSU3 will understand this:

Ay - Ay, break-it-up will ya? Calm down! Calm down! Arright arright!

If TSWSU3 wants to bullhorn then let him. It's not really something I could do as it's not in my nature. But let's each do what we feel comfortable with - that's what I think.

If I read TSWSU3 (and prob. a few others on here), we are just frustrated that whilst new members are signing up and joining in, the average person is still ignorant and we all wanna do something about that - and quick.

However, my take is we can only do this by encouraging each other and not picking fights and making accusations (sorry TSWSU3 - these other folks haven't met you in the flesh so it's harder for them to know you like I do).

I also get the sense that there are a few people on here who are not really "joiners" - certainly not in a political sense. I am not really a member of any formal groups (yeah I give money to Greenpeace and Amnesty, but have never been to any of their meetings or events) and I dislike political protests in general as they never seem to achieve much without a lot of "shouting" or seemingly endless debating, which I don't like. (I know they're not all like this).

So let's all do what we can and try not to bash each other too much.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

timing has to be flawless if we want to move this mountain, running arround feeding fish to sheep wont help.

It´ll just get your name put down on the "to be taken out" list when the * does hit the fan.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In pyramid of control the the place where it is least likely to be branded a 'nutter' is right at its base. The higher you go, the harder it becomes to get your voice heard. People will always defend there belief system (even if they don't claim to have one). When we challenge someones belief (such as the official version of 9/11) it ruffles their feathers bigstyle. Sure, that is what is needed. But the WAY in which the ruffling is carried needs to be appropriate. By informing those around you, friends and family work colleagues we are actually living our truth, we are walking our talk. By standing on the street corner pontificating, all we do is give our power away no matter how good the delivery is. People generally are not interested in being bullied into anything. Unless it giving away their freedom for more security Confused

If someone arrives at my door with the latest money saving gaget, I will not enter into debate with them. I am not interested in anyone who sees it nesessesary promote something in this way. Same with telesales.

This, I feel applies to the truth of 9/11. We all feel like shouting WAKE UP on every street corner, yes we do! But in truth this can have the effect to scare people away from it.

I love watching people like Alex Jones 'on the Bull horn' outside Westminser - fantastic. This action adds weight to his strength of feeling. There may well be a time to do it yourself. To insist that we all must do so and are somehow better campaigners for it is ludicrous.

If people are gonna do that, I would say be sure to inject plenty of humour. Why not dress up as Dubya and recipt the story of the pet goat that he was reading when he was told that the US was under attack?

People must be allowed to make up there own minds or else we may as well just join forces with the like of Tony Bla Bla GW and all who sail with them.

Let me say it again. WE ALL FEEL LIKE SHOUTING! My experience of life tells me when and when not to shout.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We should be picketting the mainstream media whorehouses and maybe get Brian Haw on side if he isn't already.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey TTWSU3, Do you live near Liverpool/Wirral area I'll give you a hand giving out leaflets if your Local? You keep bullhorning the people man!! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bicnarok wrote:
It´ll just get your name put down on the "to be taken out" list when the * does hit the fan.


I don't want to make you even more paranoid, but if you post from a computer that can be traced back to your name or address in any way, there is every chance are you're already on some sort of list.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alternatively, you can increase the likelihood by posting your name, address etc on this forum.

When we're rounded up, at least we'll have some company.

More seriously, this is precisely the reason I wrote to all UK police forces. Anyone fancy doing the Army/Air Force bases? That's next on my list.... (don't know if there's a published list of postal addresses for these though!)

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stephen wrote:
Hey TTWSU3, Do you live near Liverpool/Wirral area I'll give you a hand giving out leaflets if your Local? You keep bullhorning the people man!! Laughing


How come there is no group there. I knew there were a few truthers in that area. Couldn't put names to faces though. I saw a poster calling for people in the Liverpool area.

I think we really need some sort of facility for finding people in your locality. There have been threads with lists of local groups which are inevitabley not comprehensive. There could also be 30 9/11 truthers in any given area but if there is nop group then none of them would be any the wiser.

We could do with something like a map of the UK with dots for truthers or something similar. We just some sort of facility where people can find others in their area.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In case you're interested, someone simply handed me a copy of loose change at the Liverpool Condoleeza Rice protest without saying a word.

I thought that was very effective - it makes me curious about what it is.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How did the bull horning go?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In case you're interested, someone simply handed me a copy of loose change at the Liverpool Condoleeza Rice protest without saying a word.

I thought that was very effective - it makes me curious about what it is.


Small bloke? Might have been me Very Happy

Certainly sounds like my style.
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Small bloke? Might have been me

Certainly sounds like my style.


Now you mention it, I seem to recall they weren't that tall...

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Deception Dollars are the best tool I've found and people actually keep them!!
I am confidant that all 4,000 I've distibuted are still in good hands tucked away somewhere!!
Greeks Italians and Turks seem extra fond for some reason, I entered one Kebabery and on passing around a few to each of the staff there was a roar of laughter and even dance broke out Cool

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Disco destroyer these are even better in the UK:-

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=4764

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the biggest problem is most people dont want to know, the truth could come and hit them in the face and they still would go "ah how interesting, but who won the game last night" "did you see that cockney bloke told to sod off in eastenders last night"
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

uselesseater wrote:


I think we really need some sort of facility for finding people in your locality.


http://www.frappr.com/

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Disco destroyer these are even better in the UK:-

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=4764


Ah yes I was handed a couple at a London Truth meeting Smile
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Also I should add the most reserved people I've found so far in regard to accept DDs are people of Indian origin, and some muslims but I'd expect that would show the level we are trusted as a white national Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the biggest problem is most people dont want to know, the truth could come and hit them in the face and they still would go "ah how interesting, but who won the game last night" "did you see that cockney bloke told to sod off in eastenders last night"


Not in my opinion. Most people I've given DVDs to at work say :-

"Wow. That's incredibly dodgy. Something is incredibly wrong there. What the * do we do now?"

It's the "What the * do we do now?" crowd that deserves the attention.
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Bicnarok wrote:
I think the biggest problem is most people dont want to know, the truth could come and hit them in the face and they still would go "ah how interesting, but who won the game last night" "did you see that cockney bloke told to sod off in eastenders last night"


Not in my opinion. Most people I've given DVDs to at work say :-

"Wow. That's incredibly dodgy. Something is incredibly wrong there. What the * do we do now?"

It's the "What the * do we do now?" crowd that deserves the attention.


In my estimation the 9/11 truth is exploding into full view now,the only problem being how to convince people to actually consider what is to come,and how to react against it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's interesting. I get called a coward often on boards that I post pro 9/11 Truth stuff on, despite using my real name on all of them and my photo on a few.

Andrew Johnson will remember the Broadway luvvies on http://broadwayworld.com where I regularly post on the off=topic message board. My recent plug for Improbable Collapse was greeted with comments like ''it's that lowe[lowe-watson] thing again. someone get the bug spray". So I sent her a PM with links to four truth sites signed bzzzzzzzAndrewbzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

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