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Should Critics Corner be banned and it's occupants evicted? |
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prole art threat Validated Poster
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 804 Location: London Town
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject: Should Critics Corner be closed and it's occupants evicted? |
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I believe they should. This is a website for Truth and all they are doing is poisoning this site with their delusion. This could be off-putting to someone who arrives here searching for some real answers to this whole bloody mess. The Critic's Corner types are like energy vampires sucking the lifeforce out of this site and doing their utmost to damage our campaign with lies and disinformation. This is got nothing to do with free speech. The could always set up their own website, elsewhere.
Imagine if a greengrocer opened up new premises and another trader stood outside telling potential customers that his fruit and vegetables were laced with nasty chemicals?
Get rid of them. _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
-Johnny Pixels |
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prole art threat Validated Poster
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 804 Location: London Town
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously we need to get rid of them. We are all trying our hardest to pass on truth. This place should be a portal for those who wish to discover truth. We spend a MASSIVE amount of time as it is convincing people without playing genial host to these people. Get rid of them, it's not about free speech, they have mainstream media on our side. We havent.
They know what they are doing, they are trying to damage our credibility with LIES. They are bloodsuckers and it is time we cut off their psychic blood supply. _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
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Andrew Johnson Mighty Poster
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1919 Location: Derbyshire
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
CC posts do not appear on the front page - you have to get to the particular forum through the "Forum" section
I would suggest Campaigner limit their contributions to the thread _________________ Andrew
Ask the Tough Questions, Folks! |
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Skeptic Validated Poster
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 485
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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I believe it is more important to preserve free speech.
The 'critics' are just not good enough at presenting cogent arguments to be considered a threat. |
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prole art threat Validated Poster
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 804 Location: London Town
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Andrew Johnson wrote: | Hi,
CC posts do not appear on the front page - you have to get to the particular forum through the "Forum" section
I would suggest Campaigner limit their contributions to the thread |
I just think we spend an awful lot of energy indulging their sick fantasies and circular arguments. I just think they need to go. We are lending validity to their bizarre viewpoints by allowing them to set up stall in here. _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
-Johnny Pixels |
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prole art threat Validated Poster
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 804 Location: London Town
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Skeptic wrote: | I believe it is more important to preserve free speech.
The 'critics' are just not good enough at presenting cogent arguments to be considered a threat. |
Let's not get into the free speech thing because is that not the reason we are all having to do this all on our own? There is no free speech in the mainstream press, only websites like this. We have enough liars and disinformation agents in the media to warp the minds of the populace without pandering to the poisonous agenda of these cretins. That is all they are. _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
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chek Mega Poster
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 3889 Location: North Down, N. Ireland
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Should Critics Corner be closed and it's occupants evict |
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prole art threat wrote: | I believe they should. This is a website for Truth and all they are doing is poisoning this site with their delusion. This could be off-putting to someone who arrives here searching for some real answers to this whole bloody mess. The Critic's Corner types are like energy vampires sucking the lifeforce out of this site and doing their utmost to damage our campaign with lies and disinformation. This is got nothing to do with free speech. The could always set up their own website, elsewhere.
Imagine if a greengrocer opened up new premises and another trader stood outside telling potential customers that his fruit and vegetables were laced with nasty chemicals?
Get rid of them. |
I can see how the idea would be tempting PAT, but on balance I'd be against it.
The critics do provide a service to us it seems to me, believe it or not.
It has made me for one research far more thoroughly than I otherwise might done if there were no challenges. In fact I prefer to find evidence, if it's available, outside the ring of 911 websites.
It's easy to get a little too cosy in our beliefs if everyone blindly accepts them. That in the long run would be more harmful to my mind. |
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John White Site Admin
Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 3187 Location: Here to help!
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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prole art threat wrote: | Andrew Johnson wrote: | Hi,
CC posts do not appear on the front page - you have to get to the particular forum through the "Forum" section
I would suggest Campaigner limit their contributions to the thread |
I just think we spend an awful lot of energy indulging their sick fantasies and circular arguments. I just think they need to go. We are lending validity to their bizarre viewpoints by allowing them to set up stall in here. |
this problem is solved extremely easily prole
Understand that it is you choosing to go there
i voted no, and this is my reason:
Quote: | Well I post here (in critics corner) becuase the critics represent the most stubborn and relcatriant minds defending the offical story I can find, so I find debating in critics corner extremely useful training which makes levering other minds on other forums etc an absolute doddle
I've stated this before, critics are a valuable resource: Thanks
(as the failure to refute the Jersey Girls info has shown,
pure gold being put to very good use )
Of course you can object to my reasoning there, but its not going to stop critics coming, is it?
After all, some of you are on a personal mission to "save us all"
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repeat New Poster
Joined: 18 Oct 2006 Posts: 1 Location: Leeds
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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I'm new to this site, and i came here because i find the arguments of the truth movement very compelling. however, if you remove all opportunity for open debate from this forum then you are no better than the one-sided view put forward by the mainstream media. if you want to be taken seriously you must allow for debate. if your arguments stand up then you shouldn't be afraid of it.
isolating critics to their own ghetto is bad enough, to remove them entirely does not lend credibility to your arguments.
a one sided debate proves nothing. |
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John White Site Admin
Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 3187 Location: Here to help!
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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repeat wrote: | I'm new to this site, and i came here because i find the arguments of the truth movement very compelling. however, if you remove all opportunity for open debate from this forum then you are no better than the one-sided view put forward by the mainstream media. if you want to be taken seriously you must allow for debate. if your arguments stand up then you shouldn't be afraid of it.
isolating critics to their own ghetto is bad enough, to remove them entirely does not lend credibility to your arguments.
a one sided debate proves nothing. |
Worth mentioning Repeat that the reason critics corner was set up was becuase the critics took to hijacking practically every single thread and the noise was drowning out constructive debate anyway. they are there to debate with and if people want a contrary view they clearly know where to go _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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catfish Validated Poster
Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 430
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Keep the critics, you know you love 'em really! _________________ Govern : To control
Ment : The mind |
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blackcat Validated Poster
Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 2376
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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They are not here to debate and two of them have said as much today. They are here to try to prevent an alternative view from the mainstream media from being heard. They should be banned. |
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic
Joined: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 1201
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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I don't mind the critics as long as they're are constructive with their comments and not just trolling. It's good to remain open-minded, well it's actually a necessity!
I think a general chat sub-forum would be good as it would help build this community. Anybody agree? |
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Disco_Destroyer Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 6342
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Why bother going into there if it pisses you off?
I haven't even spotted it yet but if it makes me angry I'd just post elsewhere. Anyway confronting sheeple now and again is good practice _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
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blackcat Validated Poster
Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 2376
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Why bother going into there if it pisses you off? |
If it was invisible to the casual visitor I would avoid it like the plague. The "critics" do not post there to debate. They have an agenda which is the opposite to the aims of this site and they are there to try to destroy what we are trying to achieve, which is to give a different view to what the mainstream media push constantly. In other words, while we are trying to expose the great lie of 9/11 they are not interested in doing anything other than destroy this movement. It is ridiculous that they are tolerated. What kind of person posts persistently at a place where they disagree with the basic beliefs of the site? A propagandist is the only answer. When you consider the evil perpetrated on 9/11 and the thousands of defenceless innocents who were murdered it puts these creatures in perspective. They support the mass murderers and wish them to escape justice. What kind of 9/11 truther wants this filth in their midst? |
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MiniMauve Moderate Poster
Joined: 24 Aug 2006 Posts: 220
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: |
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Some of us that support the Truth Movement, including myself, have been labeled critics for not accepting periferal theories such as NPT. Are we also to be banned? Who decides?
The picture is bigger than that however. Banning an opposite point of view just because it is opposite makes us no better than the critics. We are doing the same thing as them. They ignore anything that challenges their assertions and so are we if we prevent challenges to our own assertions. We are supposed to be a Truth Movement. How is the Truth to be exposed if Free Speech is curtailed? This is one of the most basic cornerstones of democrasy. How can we even consider curtailing free speech? _________________ Stick to what you KNOW. All else is disinformation, intended or not. |
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blackcat Validated Poster
Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 2376
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:27 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Some of us that support the Truth Movement, including myself, have been labeled critics for not accepting periferal theories such as NPT. Are we also to be banned? Who decides? |
The point is YOU SUPPORT THE TRUTH MOVEMENT!!!! That is the difference. Debate and dissent are normal parts of any organisation but accepting your enemies in to your camp is not. You ask "Who decides?". Who decided to establish this site? Who drew up its agenda and made its rules? They decide!
I have zero wishes to go to a right-wing jingoist warmongering web site and try to convince anyone there to change their minds. Why do the "critics" persist in coming here then? NOT to try to convince anyone or debate or try to uncover any truth but only to muddy the waters and confuse any casual visitors. They do not even believe what they are saying themselves. Their lies are here to oppose the aims of this site. It is not a question of free speech. Do I have the right to enter your home and spew bilge at you? There are places on the Internet for all points of view and this place should be one of those for people who wish to spread the truth of 9/11 - that it was an inside job! |
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Bowery Boy Minor Poster
Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 78
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: Vegan Society should promote meat |
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I'm going to get in touch with the Vegan Society and demand that they allow the Meat Trades Federation a forum on the V S website.
This is sarcasm. |
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HERA Validated Poster
Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 141
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: Free speech : on their own site |
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The opponents of Sep 11 Truth should be allowed their say : emphatically not on this site. |
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prole art threat Validated Poster
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 804 Location: London Town
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:59 am Post subject: |
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blackcat wrote: |
The point is YOU SUPPORT THE TRUTH MOVEMENT!!!! That is the difference. Debate and dissent are normal parts of any organisation but accepting your enemies in to your camp is not. You ask "Who decides?". Who decided to establish this site? Who drew up its agenda and made its rules? They decide!
I have zero wishes to go to a right-wing jingoist warmongering web site and try to convince anyone there to change their minds. Why do the "critics" persist in coming here then? NOT to try to convince anyone or debate or try to uncover any truth but only to muddy the waters and confuse any casual visitors. They do not even believe what they are saying themselves. Their lies are here to oppose the aims of this site. It is not a question of free speech. Do I have the right to enter your home and spew bilge at you? There are places on the Internet for all points of view and this place should be one of those for people who wish to spread the truth of 9/11 - that it was an inside job! |
Amen to that. Get rid of them! We need to crack down hard on these reprobates. _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
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prole art threat Validated Poster
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 804 Location: London Town
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:05 am Post subject: |
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Also, we should be using our energies informing people who are genuinely interested in finding out the truth about 9/11. This website should be a place of respite where information is passed around and constructive debate amongst ouselves allows us to build up our knowledge and take it to the world.
Get rid of Critic's Corner. The devil has brought them here. _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
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catfish Validated Poster
Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 430
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Honestly, don't go there. Just don't click on the critics corner button.
My mother still believes the official story, is she filth or the devil? Takes all sorts in the world and just because someone doesn't agree, it doesn't mean they're a government agent!
When you get rid of critics corner how will you spot the critics? Anyone who questions Alex Jones is a crypto agent? Well that's me too!
I say again, if you don't like it, don't go there. John White loves it down there and does a fairly stirling job of representing intelligent debate, if you can't hack it leave it.
Go and tell people who don't know about 9/11, or better still find out about something you don't know yourself, this fabulous t'internet is a mine of information, meditations, revelations...... _________________ Govern : To control
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prole art threat Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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catfish wrote: | Honestly, don't go there. Just don't click on the critics corner button.
My mother still believes the official story, is she filth or the devil? Takes all sorts in the world and just because someone doesn't agree, it doesn't mean they're a government agent!
When you get rid of critics corner how will you spot the critics? Anyone who questions Alex Jones is a crypto agent? Well that's me too!
I say again, if you don't like it, don't go there. John White loves it down there and does a fairly stirling job of representing intelligent debate, if you can't hack it leave it.
Go and tell people who don't know about 9/11, or better still find out about something you don't know yourself, this fabulous t'internet is a mine of information, meditations, revelations...... |
Listen, it's not about ME going down there it is about the confusion the 'critic's corner' creates on people who are new to 9/11. Come on, get real. We are shooting ourselves in the foot allowing them to inhabit this place.
Demons, the lot of them. _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
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blackcat Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | My mother still believes the official story, is she filth or the devil? |
It is not the belief which makes these posters filth. I have already said they do not even believe it themselves. It is the fact they take so much trouble - and it is a fair bit of time and effort they dedicate - to oppose us. Does your mother post lie after lie here? |
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John White Site Admin
Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 3187 Location: Here to help!
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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I take part in a different 9/11 debate on a different forum practically every week
It only takes a google for anyone to hit across critic arguments, and then invariably page after page of critic material gets spammed up
We have to know the weak spots of critics arguments to communicate effectively: simply counter spamming "Watch Loose Change or your stupid!" does NOT do it: in fact, that re-inforces sterotypes and makes the truther argument easier to dismiss. I advocate opening minds, not slamming them shut
Its the same for the "giving the right impression" for casual visitors argument...a slippery path, before we know it 9/11 truth becomes the new "left gatekeepers". Ultimately its an insult to visitors intelligence to assume they will just accept the truther argument without question, and its too our credit that we give the option of finding the counter view here as well
Critics in a box is the best thing since sliced bread: the alternative is to have the forum decend into spam wars again or ask moderators to be pushing "delete post" buttons constantly throughout the day, every day:
And thats a massive waste of all our energies _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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catfish Validated Poster
Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 430
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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blackcat wrote: | Does your mother post lie after lie here? |
I hope not but I've no way of checking _________________ Govern : To control
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Ignatz Moderate Poster
Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 918
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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blackcat wrote: | It is not the belief which makes these posters filth. I have already said they do not even believe it themselves. It is the fact they take so much trouble - and it is a fair bit of time and effort they dedicate - to oppose us. Does your mother post lie after lie here? |
Here's a "devil filth lies" question for you blackcat ....
If a 9/11 newbie came here and asked about the extent of the fires in WTC7, would you say "there were isolated fires on a few floors" or would you have the honesty to show them this :
_________________ So remember - next time you can't find a parking spot, go to plan B: blow up your car |
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prole art threat Validated Poster
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 804 Location: London Town
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Fuuck off, you are all yanks, this is a british website.
It is so obvious they are paid shills. They are not people seeking truth, they are here to distort truth.
Why dont they fucck off to 9/11 Truth or one of the American sites? And why is it the same old greasy *? _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
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prole art threat Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Ignatz wrote: | blackcat wrote: | It is not the belief which makes these posters filth. I have already said they do not even believe it themselves. It is the fact they take so much trouble - and it is a fair bit of time and effort they dedicate - to oppose us. Does your mother post lie after lie here? |
Here's a "devil filth lies" question for you blackcat ....
If a 9/11 newbie came here and asked about the extent of the fires in WTC7, would you say "there were isolated fires on a few floors" or would you have the honesty to show them this :
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Photoshop is a wonderful and splendid thing. _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
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blackcat Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Photoshop is a wonderful and splendid thing. |
EXACTLY!! And he wants "honesty" from others.
There's that fuc*ing smell again. You just can't keep the ar*eholes under the bridge! Yet another reason for not tolerating them - they won't stay in their gutter. |
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