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Dogsmilk
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 Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject: Fingerprinting down the pub!? |
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| Quote: | The government is funding the roll out of fingerprint security at the doors of pubs and clubs in major English cities.
Funding is being offered to councils that want to have their pubs keep a regional black list of known trouble makers. The fingerprint network installed in February by South Somerset District Council in Yeovil drinking holes is being used as the showcase.
"The Home Office have looked at our system and are looking at trials in other towns including Coventry, Hull & Sheffield," said Julia Bradburn, principal licensing manager at South Somerset District Council.
Gwent and Nottingham police have also shown an interest, while Taunton, a town neighbouring Yeovil, is discussing the installation of fingerprint systems in 10 pubs and clubs with the systems supplier CreativeCode.
Bradburn could not say if fingerprint security in Yeovil had displaced crime to neighbouring towns, but she noted that domestic violence had risen in Yeovil. She could not give more details until the publication of national crime statistics to coincide with the anniversary of lax pub licensing laws on 24 November.
She was, however, able to say that alcohol-related crime had reduced by 48 per cent Yeovil between February and September 2006.
The council had assumed it was its duty under the Crime and Disorder Act (1998) to reduce drunken disorder by fingerprinting drinkers in the town centre.
Some licensees were not happy to have their punters fingerprinted, but are all now apparently behind the idea. Not only does the council let them open later if they join the scheme, but the system costs them only £1.50 a day to run.
Oh, and they are also coerced into taking the fingerprint system. New licences stipulate that a landlord who doesn't install fingerprint security and fails to show a "considerable" reduction in alcohol-related violence, will be put on report by the police and have their licences revoked.
Offenders can be banned from one pub or all of them for a specified time - usually a period of months - by a committee of landlords and police called Pub Watch. Their offences are recorded against their names in the fingerprint system. Bradburn noted the system had a "psychological effect" on offenders.
She said there had been only been two "major" instances of alcohol-related crime reported in Yeovil pubs and clubs since February. One was a sexual assault in a club toilet.
The other occurred last Friday when an under-18 Disco at Dukes nightclub got out of hand after the youngsters had obtained some alcohol from elsewhere. A fight between two youngsters escalated into a brawl involving 435 12 to 16 year olds
A major incident is when 15 police attend the scene, said Bradburn. She was unable to say how many minor incidents there had been, but acknowledged that fights were still occurring in the streets of Yeovil.
The Home Office paid for Yeovil's system in full, with £6,000 of Safer, Stronger Communities funding.
Bradburn said the Home Office had paid her scheme a visit and subsequently decided to fund similar systems in Coventry, Hull and Sheffield.
The Home Office distanced itself from the plans. It said it provided funding to Safer, Stronger Communities through the Department for Communities and Local Government's Local Area Agreements. How they spent the money was a local decision, said a HO spokeswoman. ®
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/20/pub_fingerprints/
Have you seen this??!!
My God, I'm glad I'm getting old and boring and my clubbing days are largely over.
More and more the urge to track and control seeps in.
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Roger the Horse
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Unbelievable. What next? Retinal scans to use the bogs?
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:35 am Post subject: |
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It's just a short (no pun intended) hop, skip and jump to this:
http://www.infowars.net/articles/October2006/231006prints.htm
The drinks are on Big Brother.
The British government has announced that it wishes to send nationwide a previously localized program of mandatory fingerprint scanners at the entrance of every pub and club in major UK cities. Under such rules If you want to have a drink in the trendiest places in the UK you will have to be fingerprinted.
As usual this is being sold as a way to reduce alcohol related crime and weed out troublemakers. We're all suspects now, we're all possible criminals and we all need to be scanned and catalogued in order to save civilized society. The young hoodlums are taking over and we must all be considered dangerous in order to stop them.
The move to introduce the scanners is being sold to club and bar owners with the promise that they can stay open longer if they implement it. If they refuse that nice little earner they will simply be shut down as new licenses stipulate that a landlord who doesn't install fingerprint security and fails to show a "considerable" reduction in alcohol-related violence, will be put on report by the police and have their licenses revoked.
What's more, reports detail the fact that all clubs and bars that have this forced upon them, or choose to willingly use it, will be hooked up to a centralized database in order to easily share the biometric information. Access to this database will also be granted to the police and the government.
We have previously been told that it is just a matter of time before the fingerprint replaces cash and credit cards.
As a citizen of the UK I have not known a time when civil liberties have been under attack from so many angles at the same time. In the name of the war on crime, the war on terror, the war on drugs, the war on binge drinking, the war on anything the government can't be bothered to attempt to get to the real cause of, we have to relinquish our privacy.
Big Brother Is watching... And listening and shouting and scanning and taking your fingerprints and swabbing your DNA. Lets take a snapshot of a typical day in Britain should all these things be fully implemented.
You get up to go to work and walking down your residential street you are picked up by multiple cameras within minutes of leaving your house. Before you board the tube or the train you may have to relent to going through the high-tech body screener for detecting would-be terrorists. Place your hands above your head and wait for the machine to produce a naked picture of you on a screen.
If your 're lucky enough not to have to go through one of these you will certainly be picked up by the the face scanning cameras which are programmed to sound an alarm when they spot suspicious behaviour, such as waiting somewhere for a prolonged period of time or just walking in a suspicious way.
Should you drop some litter or act out of turn the cameras may even start shouting at you in order to publicly humiliate you and let everyone else around you know what you've done. This way you might be shamed into never stepping out of line in that way again.
You swipe your electronic travel card over the reader and a unit of travel credit is deducted. This sends a signal to the central database reporting your whereabouts. You could still use cash but the fare has been raised so high for cash users that it seems ludicrous to opt for that.
Those who are lucky enough to work out of the big cities or those who drive to work will have their movements and personal behaviour monitored by traffic cameras all over the country. They will also be tracked at all times by the black box locator within their vehicles.
Once you get to work you are continuously monitored from the moment you enter the building until you leave.
After work you may go for a drink. Once you have had your fingerprints scanned to enter you may also have to undergo a DNA swab test for drug use. If you refuse you are recorded as suspicious and may even be arrested at which point your DNA will be forcibly taken anyway.
This will be added to the national DNA database which is also hooked up to the central UK citizens database which eventually will contain the DNA of everyone no matter whether or not they have committed a crime. You will not have access to this information but the government will. They may even sell the information to private companies should they wish to. The Information will be stored on the database forever.
If you do manage to get in the pub for a drink you will be able to pay for it much more quickly and easily if you have an implanted microchip. Just wave your arm over a reader and it will pick up the chip's signal and deduct a beverage credit accordingly. A chip may also eliminate the need for an ID card, travel card, medical card and the like. No need to carry cumbersome wallets or handbags anymore!
Perhaps you will not have worked hard enough this week to earn enough beverage credits though. Oh well never mind time to go home. When you get back remember to put out the trash. Make sure the bag is not too heavy though or more refuse credits will be deducted from your allowance. And don't forget to recycle or you could get some jail time.
Just before you turn in check your personalized cctv channel and report any suspicious activity in your neighbourhood. You can then go to sleep safe in the knowledge that you are 'secure beneath the watchful eyes' of Big Brother.
In the UK we are the most observed population outside of North Korea. Britain is the surveillance bench mark, the rest of the Western world is a close second. As Henry Porter Commented in last week's London Observer, It's time to wake up to what we have become and stop allowing limits to be put on our liberty. It's now or never. |
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Dogsmilk
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| Quote: | News feature
Concern over draft Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Bill proposals
September 2006
Alan Murdie, barrister and author of 'New powers of fines officers: a disturbing development', June 2006 Legal Action 32, writes:
The draft Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Bill proposes wide-ranging reforms to the structure and composition of tribunals, judicial appointments, the enforcement of tribunal awards and debt recovery, particularly as regards the law on the seizure of goods. Of particular concern are Schedules 11 and 12 of the bill, which envisage a radical overhaul of the law relating to the seizure of goods. The new regime would apply to all money judgments by the High Court and county court and sums recoverable before magistrates. All common law rules and restrictions on the right to levy against goods are to be abolished, and replaced with a statutory code to be contained in regulations made by the Lord Chancellor.
Distress for rent by a landlord at common law is also abolished. In future, all types of bailiff will be replaced by individuals appointed and approved as 'enforcement agents'. These agents will then be given seizure powers wider than any which have been permitted in England and Wales since the Middle Ages.
The draft bill envisages that when enforcing against the goods of a debtor, enforcement agents will be entitled:
* to break into private dwellings under warrant;
* to use force against occupiers;
* to invite third parties on to premises; and
* to seize money or goods found on premises, including pets.
The draft bill's approach marks a radical departure from the principles that underlaid the common law, which operated to prevent violence against individuals and premises to effect entry. Similarly, rules preventing the seizure of money and items in use prevented the ransacking of homes or breaches of the peace once entry was gained. Of particular concern are Sch 11 paras 24(2) and 31(5), where the Lord Chancellor may make regulations allowing enforcement agents a 'power to use force against persons' in respect of domestic dwellings and goods on the highway.
Enforcement agents will also be able to bring non-qualified assistants on to private premises. Under Sch 11 para 22(2), warrants may also require a police constable to assist an enforcement agent.
Explanatory notes to the bill maintain that its provisions engage both debtors' and creditors' rights, under the European Convention on Human Rights, to a fair trial (article 6), private life (article  and the protection of property (Protocol 1, article 1). However, much will be dependent on judicial interpretations of these rights. In practice, there are unlikely to be effective safeguards against abuse despite the optimism of closing paragraphs of the notes that 'sanctions' will exist against improper recovery action. Reforms to attachment of earnings orders, administration orders, and the establishment of debt management schemes are also outlined.
The draft Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Bill, Cm 6885 is available at: www.official-documents.co.uk/document/cm68/6885/6885.pdf and from TSO, £50.30. The closing date for representations on the bill is 22 September 2006.
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from: http://www.lag.org.uk/Templates/Internal.asp?NodeID=91691&L1=-1&L2=916 91
And what's this got to do with fingerprints in pubs?
Well, here we have yet another bid to do away with your privacy and dignity and this time it's against that last bastion of privacy, your own home.
So, in our debt ridden (and debt encouraging) culture, we can get acclimatised to the notion of thugs kicking down our doors (in front of our kids?) cause those credit cards got on top. And note they can "use force"
And Britains need to get used to the idea that thugs can bust their way into your house if they feel the need, right? Pioneered by the new gestapo of capitalism.
Oh Mr Bongo - yeah - I hear what you're saying. I'll give up my unhealthy little vice when I'm good and ready, so I be joining you Scots in a-puffin away at home. Incidentally, the Times recently reported cig sales are up by 6% (if I recall correctly) your way since the ban. Worked well, then.
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Dogsmilk
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Wobbler, I do find myself drinking more too... It is much cheaper to drink in the house than buy rounds in pubs |
Amen to that! Who needs pubs anyway?!
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Disco_Destroyer
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Bongo Brian wrote: | | Wobbler, I do find myself drinking more too... It is much cheaper to drink in the house than buy rounds in pubs. |
Yep compartmentalization of society makes sure we'll be afraid of our neighbour, and locked inside our homes!! Good grief pull yourselves together or they might just win 
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Mark Gobell
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£1,000 fine for householders who refuse council tax 'snoopers'
by JAMES CHAPMAN
Last updated at 09:04am on 25th October 2006
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£1,000 fine for householders who refuse council tax 'snoopers'
by JAMES CHAPMAN
A new army of council tax 'inspectors' is to be given the right to enter people's homes and issue fines to anyone who refuses to cooperate.
Camera-wielding officials will be able to take photographs inside properties, including bedrooms, and rule they should pay more if they have home improvements such as patios and conservatories.
Residents could be fined £1,000, and then £200 every day after that, if they do not let the inspectors in or fail to properly 'assist' them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_artic le_id=412378&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NEWS&ct=5
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