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Geo7863
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 Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject: No More Fallujah's - Split to CC due Geo7863's abuse |
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Split from: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=5096
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As a former soldier myself I find your post distastefull to say the least, what about remembering the service dead, what you peaceniks seem to forget is that the boys and girls dying out there, didnt choose to fight in Fallujah they were sent, the people in Fallujah chose to fight, and the civilians that died chose to support them or chose not to get out when things were getting critical.
I disagree with the reasons why Iraq was invaded by the Coalition forces, but I support the troops one hundred percent, on the whole they are just trying to stay alive and protect their buddies... if you want the war to stop why arent you demonstrating in front of all the radical muslim premises? why dont you petition Al quaeda and all the other nutter groups
Lordy did your days ever get lonely when CND sort of ran out of steam, bet you all heaved a big sigh of releif when this one kicked off |
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Newspeak International
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Blimey Geo are you trying to suggest we don't care about our guys out there?
And why do you disagree with the reasons given for the invasion? |
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Andrew Johnson
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Geo,
If you are supporting the OCT of 9/11 in whole or in part, post in Critics Corner and link to the thread you are referring to.
We check IP addresses and try to monitor posts carefully. Some people on here do indeed "spout rubbish". But we are all volunteers and some moderators work harder than others. We don't have time to catch all the troll posts which have seemingly increased in frequency in recent months.
However, this site exists to promote facts like the WTC being demolished with explosives and this therefore negates most of what the OCT says. It isn't primarily an evidence debating forum (outside critics corner). So please post there if you disagree with any of this.
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Geo7863
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Newspeak International wrote: | Blimey Geo are you trying to suggest we don't care about our guys out there?
And why do you disagree with the reasons given for the invasion? |
I am indeed suggesting that you dont care about any of the service personnel out there, I will go further and suggest that a lot of the people whom post here would happily spit on a soldier and call them a baby killer
and the reasons why i disagree with the war in Iraq is irrelevant, but I can assure you it has nothing to do with crackpot theories about what happened on 9/11 |
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Geo7863
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Andrew Johnson wrote: | Geo,
If you are supporting the OCT of 9/11 in whole or in part, post in Critics Corner and link to the thread you are referring to.
We check IP addresses and try to monitor posts carefully. Some people on here do indeed "spout rubbish". But we are all volunteers and some moderators work harder than others. We don't have time to catch all the troll posts which have seemingly increased in frequency in recent months.
However, this site exists to promote facts like the WTC being demolished with explosives and this therefore negates most of what the OCT says. It isn't primarily an evidence debating forum (outside critics corner). So please post there if you disagree with any of this.
Thanks |
oh thats a fact is it, have you ever worked with explosives? ever seen a real explosion, not a hollywood one, and how many miles of det cord do you think it would have taken to cause these factual exlosions, how many boreholes would have been required for how many explosive charges, these arent facts these are suppositions, and regardless of whatever caused 9/11 to happpen, what do you think campaigning and demonstrations are going to do? you think its going to pull the troops out? how naive are you people really? |
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alwun
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:35 am Post subject: sob story |
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the people of Fallujah were assaulted by a foreign invading, rapaciuos army composed of paid killers for hire, be they formal military personnel, or mercenary scum. When you, as a gun for hire, go a shootin and a lootin, please don't embarrass yourself by whingeing when your ba**s or whatever get shot off. The British army has no business strutting around Iraq or any other country. The squaddies of all ranks right up to general are being abused in an effort to shore up the long dead notion that Britain is still a world power with something to say at the top table. The invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were undertaken on the back of popular confusion about the 911 atrocity, which was initially attributed to Muslim perps, al quaeda, or whoever. This nonsense has long since been exposed as utter bullshot, and the real perps are beginning to run scared. Their panic is to a degree reflected in the character of an increasing number of posters showing up here in recent days.
cheers Al.. |
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Cornflour
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: Re: sob story |
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| alwun wrote: | | the people of Fallujah were assaulted by a foreign invading, rapaciuos army composed of paid killers for hire, be they formal military personnel, or mercenary scum. |
This is infact a fairly good description of the nature of the insurgency
| Quote: | | When you, as a gun for hire, go a shootin and a lootin, please don't embarrass yourself by whingeing when your ba**s or whatever get shot off. |
It's really sad you think this. The British Army is a professional force with a job to do. British soldiers do not go shooting and looting and are infact doing their best in a very hard situation in which they have been dumped by our foreign policy
| Quote: | | The British army has no business strutting around Iraq or any other country. The squaddies of all ranks right up to general are being abused in an effort to shore up the long dead notion that Britain is still a world power |
Maybe true but Soldiers are professionals doing a job. they have no say as to whether they do it or not.
I really hope you can get out in the real world soon. |
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Dogsmilk
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | am indeed suggesting that you dont care about any of the service personnel out there, I will go further and suggest that a lot of the people whom post here would happily spit on a soldier and call them a baby killer |
I'd be very surprised at that. In fact, the anti-war movement from the outset was for the interests of British (and other) soldiers insofar as it wanted to avoid the killing and maiming (on both sides) for no good reason that the war has entailed. I don't get the comment about protesting outside 'radical muslim premises' (whatever they are) as radical Islam has nothing to do with the war in Iraq and scant relevance to Afghanistan (invading and occupying a country for 'harbouring terrorists is quite a unique and unwarrented occurrence and, conspiracy theories aside, it seems fairly clear that the US wanted to attack Afghanistan prior to 911 anyway).
I agree that the troops out there are trying to stay alive. I deeply resent the fact they were sent there for bullsh!t reasons. They were sent there by people who will never have to do the dirty work themselves and who sit pretty while sending others to kill or be killed on the back of a shedload of lies. Whether you buy all this 911 stuff or not, there's more than ample evidence that Iraq constituted no threat whatsoever. As for the 'Saddam oppressed the populace' angle, well no-one seemed to notice that in the eighties when he was committing his worst atrocities (which he couldn't have carried out without Western support - he likely wouldn't have been in power without Western support). Same with the Taliban right up to 911.
Do you think armchair warriors making grand comments about our glorious soldiers from the comfort of their homes are preferable? Should we neglect to make our antipathy to pointless wars known, so that the government is more confident about sending yet more people to die? Do you want soldiers sent to Iran, too? Should we just shut up and watch it happen? Should we keep schtum about our desire to see the troops brought home to safety?
'Peaceniks' (as opposed to what? warniks?) are the strongest supporters of the British armed forces as they don't want a single man or woman to sacrifice their life unless it is absolutely necessary and wholly justified.
However, you cannot expect people to simply support a war once it is happening if it is unjust. By that logic, every German citizen would have been honour bound to support the German army unequivocally in 1939. There is a profound difference between supporting an unjust cause and recognising the unfortunate position of soldiers stuck implementing it.
The people least supportive of the troops are those in power who sacrifice them in the name of strategic interests. You know, the same people who shafted all those people with gulf war syndrome. The same people who neglected to supply the troops with the proper equipment and logistical support.
I know people join up to defend their country and it's not the fault of anyone on this board that they've been sent to defend oil and natural gas interests instead.
As regards 'conspiracy theories', present me with convincing evidence that there is a 'worldwide Islamic terror network' of greater scope and significance than that which already existed in the early nineties and I'll be impressed. Though I would concede that current british and US foreign policy is sowing a fertile recruiting ground. Personally, I've yet to be convinced of this 'inside job' stuff, but I'd boldly assert the actual threat from 'Islamic terror' is something of a conspiracy theory itself. At any rate, as far as domestic terror is concerned, they're nowhere near as effective as the IRA managed to be. Doesn't that tell you something?
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: An analogy |
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Behind every big fortune there is a lie.
Behind every terror war there is a lie.
The lie that there is a war on terror and not a war for oil.
Whether forced to or not, whether professional or not, to allow oneself to be part of an occupation army in all its guises, soldier, contractor, politician, embassy personnel doesn't absolve you of crimes against humanity. A crime is a crime is a crime.
For the thousands of lives destroyed by the worlds last remaining 'hyperpower' to assert I support the occupation now it is sinking faster than the sands in the dessert...
Good luck to them. Next time round people wont even give them the time of day.
If you wont to play tough soldier do it on your own turf. |
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alwun
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject: cornflower |
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Cornflour - In your reply I win one, you win one.
Insurgence is when an incumbent government or other ruling body is removed by forces external or in opposition to that ruling body. In the case of Iraq the external forces are therefore actually the Coalition forces.
Further along you quote me:
When you, as a gun for hire, go a shootin and a lootin, please don't embarrass yourself by whingeing when your ba**s or whatever get shot off.
You say this is sad. It is and my comments are stronger than strictly necessary. Most people in active military service are very youthful, a requirement of peak fitness. They also showed a remarkable solidarity with their Commander, if the comments at arss were anything to go by. I found the comments to be of an astonishingly s**d**ous nature, on average. Lively stuff indeed. Thoroughly heartwarming to be sure.
So my true feelings for what the're worth.
I have no wish that British personnel are sent to war elsewhere on my behalf. This is definiteley not good for them, and useless if not embarrassing at the very least for me.
As a true patriot and taxpayer, I say let the British Army defend our Island shores. And go for a relaxing pint at the weekends.
cheers Al |
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Bicnarok
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oh thats a fact is it, have you ever worked with explosives? ever seen a real explosion, not a hollywood one, and how many miles of det cord do you think it would have taken to cause these factual exlosions, how many boreholes would have been required for how many explosive charges, these arent facts these are suppositions, and regardless of whatever caused 9/11 to happpen, what do you think campaigning and demonstrations are going to do? you think its going to pull the troops out? how naive are you people really? |
Not everyone in civy street is a peace loving CND hippy, YOU should get out and see the real world because you havn´t got a scooby what your on about.
Soldiers are doing thier job what they were trained for and what they get payed for. But when it comes to it they are the lions led by the sheep and this is a problem. The Armed forces are there to defend the country, not go arround following fascist Bush on an invasion campagn. Grounded on a lie which is being pointed out by people on such forums as this.
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ian neal
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| Geo7863 wrote: | | Newspeak International wrote: | Blimey Geo are you trying to suggest we don't care about our guys out there?
And why do you disagree with the reasons given for the invasion? |
I am indeed suggesting that you dont care about any of the service personnel out there, I will go further and suggest that a lot of the people whom post here would happily spit on a soldier and call them a baby killer
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Of course as an open forum of diverse viewpoints, there is no 'we' as such, but my experience tells me the exact opposite of what you claim is true. On what evidence do you make your claims about 'us' |
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