The Brandon Corey Story & Cheney

Beezlebush · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject:

Flame and Pikey...

Get over it, already!!

Get a room!!

GTF!!!

....or get to Brighton with 500 CDs of 911 Mysteries and some flyers.....

flamesong · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject:

John White · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject:

Beezlebush · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject:

....so why not correspond with each other by private email till you reach an understanding....

...then share the good news on the forum.....or in Brighton as we go door to door posting 911mysteries to the populace??

flamesong · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject:

Yes, I'll just pop down to Brighton, where, as it happens the MP for Blackpool South lives!

You are evidently unaware of Pikey's no private message policy.

And I did try to pass on the good news to him via private message that the forum administrator had proved that I was not responsible for posting using the alias spun - as Pikey maintains - but the reply was less than comprehensible.

Beezlebush · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject:

Flamesong, I couldn't give a monkey's g'nadbag about Pikey, his emailling preferences and whether or not you both get on.

For all I know you could both be the same person

Pop to Brighton. Why wouldn't you?? Is your participation affecting cvhange to the future of your country/planet dependent on whether or not it takes place within walking diatance of your house?

flamesong · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject:

flamesong · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject:

John White · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:59 pm Post subject:

I understand your position Flamesong: in fact I'm in it myself, still, becuase I'm rather hated by a certain clique on a certain forum (obviously not Illusions) for pawning abuse and agenda munching, and if a situation requires me to go out on my own, I do it, becuase courage and speaking the truth is what is important. There's no "final victory" over obsessive personalities on an internet forum

The facts are though, that unless one has access to moderator buttons we are all in a debating bearpit and have to accept that there are some minds that will never change their POV and some unconcious loyalties that will never be broken. Its understanding this that led myself and LBC to establish the principles of tolerance and acceptance on which Illusions has been built so succesfully.

Personally I find it sad that people need to distract themselves from communicating with those who havnt heard the info we are dedicated to getting out, and helping fellow activists instead of obsessing over "whose been a campaigner longer" and "whose done the most campaigning" and jazz like that: becuase thats all it is: jazz. Otherwise known as egoic catharsis. But I accept that they do, don't judge people too harshly for it, and I accept the reality of the imbalance that inevitably comes as a result. I've been over to Mark Thomas forum today and read through some of the mess that Ally got himself into, for example, and its the level headed campaigners who have to sort out the mess afterwards, or abandon an approach as a bad job.

However, and heres a truth, what we fight, we become, and the fact's are that the more you protest about the situation, the more noise is generated, and the more the impartial observer can't tell the difference, and decides everyone is as bad as each other. Believe you me it took me some frustrating and painful experiance before I learned that. I hope you can take that on board

As campaigners for truth, even if we really f*cking hate each other, we have to get along, or have the likes of the JREF'ers rubbing their hands in glee and what sad cases "troothseekers" are: and the only way to do that is to master emotional turmoil inside ourselelves: free will dictates that we cant do that for anyone else, and at the end of the day, its the individuals qualities that shine through

And of course, these words apply to everybody, most especially me Cool

Beezlebush · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject:

I don't understand you guys

Why not all forget your differences, each get 500 cds of 911mysteries each and come to the Brighton meet, hand them out, talk to people, etc.

Beezlebush · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject:

I don't understand you guys

Why not all forget your differences, each get 500 cds of 911mysteries each and come to the Brighton meet, hand them out, talk to people, etc.

iro · Moderate Poster Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 376

if theres ever a lesson to be learned here its watch/read/check out something before you recommend it to anyone.

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DeFecToR · Moderate Poster Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 782

Just thought i'd point something out here. Apologies if someone has already mentioned this but i was damned if i was going to go through the waffle that this post degenerated in to.

On the issue of whether or not this is a fake documentary, and what the intentions of its creators are, the following is taken from their own website;

flamesong · Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:03 am Post subject:

If you look at the thread on Conspiracy Central:

http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=2931

You can see how the wording has changed over the past few days.

And there are plenty of quotes from their pages which still seem designed to give the impression that this was a documentary.

You might also like to check out this from 3rd September (well before any of this controversy started):

http://www.they-live.com/2006/09/03/seeking-the-truth-about-truthseeke r-tv

in which the author says:

'The reason? They wanted to know if I would be interested in advertising their new movie- a documentary in which Icke is featured.'

To me, the kindest thing I can say about the way this has been advertised is that it is ambiguous - and that is being generous. It is misleading and I believe intentionally so.

iro · Moderate Poster Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 376

there was no mention of this being a fictional scripted movie until it was released and the backlash began and they got bombarded with hate mail.

this was about money, and they made a lot of it in pre sales with the old hype tactic. now its damage limitation

flamesong · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject: DVD label

My mate ordered a copy of this DVD and it arrived today.

I have scanned the disc and uploaded it here so that readers can judge for themselves what this product claims to be, regardless what it might now say on the cover and all the changes now made to the website and marketing.

flamesong · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject:

And the DVD menu:

flamesong · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:17 am Post subject:

Despite the above images of the DVD menu and the disc itself both clearly stating that this is a documentary, David Icke continues to assert that it was marketed as a 'movie' and has sent out numerous 'newsletters' of damage limitation.

I have e-mailed him and Pamela with the above images and berated him for supplying Truthseeker TV (sic) with his mailing list (they sent out promotional messages using a unique spam trap e-mail address which was only given to David Icke's list manager). I have also berated them for their apparently deliberately ambiguous promotion.

This issue, on top of the regular flurry of advertising packed e-mails I receive from David Icke which masquerade as newsletters, prompted me to ask that I be removed from his mailing list. Four requests down the line and I am still receiving stuff which my e-mail client and POP server both rightly recognise as spam. Has anybody any idea how to stop this.

John White · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:27 am Post subject:

http://p4.forumforfree.com/truthseeker-tv-grovels-vt2546-laidbackchat. html extra info there

Good luck with the mailing list Alf, its a running joke that no-one ever gets off the damn thing!

flamesong · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:39 am Post subject:

I don't understand why these two images are not nailing the lie that this was promoted as a 'movie'. Is the word 'documentary' in magic pixels that only I can see? If so, does that mean this thread is going to be another sacrifice to NPT?

John White · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:46 am Post subject:

Its nailed as far as I'm concerned, and I reckon for everyone whose taken an interest in the matter at Illusions as well. But I can't be that bothered to keep flogging the issue: truthseeker TV has made nothing out of me, and word is the scheme has backfired horribly on them.

What the episode has shown is that the real truthseeking community is a hell of a lot more astute than these clowns banked on, and personally i'm delighted by that result. Icke dropped himself in the cack of course, but thats Icke for you, he's done it before and it won't be the last time

commanderson · Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject:

Icke dropping himself in the keek does seem to be a running theme, making me wander whether he might be a strawman, giving out good info but displayed in a shoddy discreditable way, as to have all his good research burned someday, and involvement in projects like this only go to feed my suspicions Confused

THETRUTHWILLSETU3 · 9/11 Truth critic Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 1009

commanderson

Will you take part in the 911 Truth March

commanderson · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject:

I'd be into that! I'm based in Edinburgh, I'd prefer to do it by bike though, already heard another voice this preferance, could maybe do a double hitter cycle crew and walking group, are you thinking of getting venues in each port of call to do talks/screenings of terrrorstorm/9/11 mystreies/loose change etc, be good to highlight that its not just 9/11 (although thats the most blatant example of false flag terrorism, with most info to dismantle the official storey) but 7/7 and Madrid, and Bali, and the D.C. sniper and the riechtag, and the maine, and pearl Harbour , and , and , and. Anti tyrany, disclosing false flag terror, pro freedom, anti fascism, could be wider banners, but yea maybe 9/11 truth gives people an actual direct indication of what we're trying to say, sorry just thinking out loud here Idea

Anyway setus3, do you have an opinion on Icke? Were you a supporter, who's faiths been shaken by the Brandon Corey thing? I still think much of his research into the ancient world/aliens and bloodlines is legit. But I'm thinking he might be there to put it out in a manner that it might be disbeieved, and debunked with the style and tactics used, along with sketchy witneses like arizona wilder.
Here's an article by a guy who helped Icke on the biggest secret, and was with him about much of what he's saying, but became concerned about some witnesses he was siting http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=54
Interesting stuff, we gotta be ready for further attacks on the truth campaign, and it may well be that they will come through the leading lights of the truth movement, giving out disinfo, it being debunked, and all the good research they've done being flung out with them. Just like Icke has said before "babies and bathwater", this may be what is being done with shayler and the No planes argument, Icke his indignant style and involvement with this poopseekertv piece of * Brandon Corey. Be good to get your take on it all.

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