Lets expose Jon Ronson and his circle maker Team Satan chums

[mason-free party]

Its no coincidence that Ronsons programme 'Secret rulers of the world' appeared on TV shortly before 911....lets get the agenda of conspiracy nutters in place first before the big 911 event...lets ridicule the main players who will be the ones spouting out 911 truth when it happens and afterwards...well hard luck Jon,ya zionist leaders plan has back fired bigtime..

The ‘Son of God’ & the ‘Secret Rulers of the World’
Rixon Stewart
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=149

Ten years ago David Icke came out, so to speak, and declared himself the “Son of God” on a popular TV talk show. A decade later and he’s dropped the “Son of God” claim; now he’s speaking to packed audiences across the globe and telling them about the world’s secret rulers: about the Trilateral Commision, the Bilderbergers and the Illuminati. Names which you don’t normally hear in the main-stream media; ideas and research that Icke has largely taken from others and which his audiences are lapping up.

On Sunday May 6 2001 David Icke was the feature of an hour-long documentary on prime time British TV, entitled ‘The Secret Rulers of the World’. And from start to finish it was an object lesson in disinformation.

The program itself portrayed Icke in a sympathetic light; as a genuine, personable but deeply misunderstood figure and, most importantly, not once during its entire sixty minutes did it refer to his views on Christianity. Even more significant was the fact that Icke was ‘set up’ to be hit with custard pies at a book signing in Toronto at the programs end. This was done with the full knowledge of the shows presenter Jon Ronsson, who divulged not a word of it to Icke, presumably to enhance its effect. Which prompts one to ask: what else did Ronsson omit to mention for the sake of effect?

By the look of things a whole lot more. For example Team Satan, the alleged crop circle-makers, host a web site that until recently featured recruitment adverts for no less than MI5, MI6, GCHQ and the Security Intelligence Services. Now however those adverts have been replaced by a link promoting Jon Ronson, his web site and the book that accompanied ‘The Secret Rulers of the World.’ And while the TV series itself was no great revelation the episode devoted to David Icke was a real eye opener, not because it said anything new, but rather because of what it omitted to say.




Recruitment advert for GCHQ on Team Satan's website


As mentioned Icke has built up a sizable audience presenting material that is largely based on other people’s research. Much of which is quite credible, it’s just that things get a little dubious when Icke starts adding his own ideas. However ‘The Secret Rulers of the World’ specifically looked at Icke’s contention that we are ruled by a mutant race of shape shifting Reptiods. In itself the idea is ridiculous enough but Ronson muddied the waters still further by continually asking: “Was this a coded reference to Jews?”

Of course the answer is no, but it certainly caught Ronson’s attention. So much so that you’d almost think that he was trying to obscure the other ideas Icke presents by continually focusing on the Reptiod’s and their alleged anti-Semitic symbolism. For the duration of the entire program he persisted on this one idea as if everything else Icke said was too ludicrous to consider.

But then in the words of Dave Starbuck, yet another who’s given Icke research material and seen him use it without any acknowledgement, Icke is simply a “presenter.” That’s what the former sports reporter used to do and that’s what he does today, except that instead of presenting sports reports David Icke now presents other people’s conspiracy research. And instead of examining that, Ronson spent nearly an hour looking at Icke’s allegedly “anti-Semitic Reptiods.”

Stranger still was the fact that the most powerful episode in the whole series simply disappeared without trace. The program in question was devoted to microwaves and their potential as a weapon and tool of oppression. In it scientist Tim Rifat showed how a microwave oven could be cut in two and how a horn antennae could then be placed on the wave guide, turning it into weapon with an effective distance of hundreds of feet and how at close range it could literally fry human flesh. The Billion dollar question, Tim asked was: how do we know that the authorities are not already using this as a weapon?




The advert for Ronson's website that replaced the recruitment advert for GCHQ.


Maybe Channel 4 thought the program was too hot to handle for judging from what we’ve been told it could have had serious repercussions. So perhaps they decided not to screen it, assuming that they even saw it, for throughout the filming Ronson kept asking Tim: “How do you know that I’m not working for the other side?”

Which simply underlines the contention that Jon Ronson is as bent as a nine pound note.
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[Abandoned Ego]

[Dogsmilk]

Look, don't take this wrong but I'd have to disagree with you about JR. It's about telly, innit? It's obvious he'd focus on the lizards stuff, particularly the 'are the lizards really jews' angle as it makes for good television which sells the book. Most 'regular' people know Icke for his Wogan appearance and his lizard claims and not much (if anything) else. The lizards are seen as outlandish and that makes punters in telly land find it interesting. Channel 4 are unlikely to have been as interested in a discussion of the (not famous) people whose work he cites.As you note, he was pretty sympathetic to Icke and generally broad minded all round (IMHO). He's done a lot of other things and his career has been around him being comedic and ironic - he's basically a Louis Thoureux.
He actually brought Bilderberg, Alex Jones and Bohemian Grove onto mainstream British telly while not taking the easy route of simply taking the piss - I thought he was pretty balanced about what, to most, is pretty zany stuff. I don't think he ridiculed anyone when the commissioning editors would doubtless have been delighted with a more cutting stance.

I actually briefly spoke to him once and he seemed a really sound bloke.

I doubt if he has anything to do with where ads for his book go; that's the job of the publisher.

And are you seriously suggesting the series was a 'mind prep' for 911? Channel 4 will have commissioned it, scheduled the filming and decided when (and if) it aired. Writers/presenters do not decide such things.

What "zionist leaders"? What zionism? He's a journalist who happens to be Jewish. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've personally never encountered any of his work in which he cooments on Middle East politics at all.

Please don't think I'm having a go - I just don't get it. And making inference based accusations against someone who has been critical of this forum due to their experience (which I can't comment on cause I wasn't here) won't help anything. If he doesn't believe the theories he covers, that's up to him.

However, if I've not pissed you off too much, I'd love to know about that missing microwaves episode. Where'd you hear about that? I've never heard that and it sounds interesting. Can you direct us to any info?

[Abandoned Ego]

[Dogsmilk]

Abandoned ego -

[mason-free party]

Wobbler...don't you think this is very odd though?

By the look of things a whole lot more. For example Team Satan, the alleged crop circle-makers, host a web site that until recently featured recruitment adverts for no less than MI5, MI6, GCHQ and the Security Intelligence Services. Now however those adverts have been replaced by a link promoting Jon Ronson, his web site and the book that accompanied ‘The Secret Rulers of the World.’ And while the TV series itself was no great revelation the episode devoted to David Icke was a real eye opener, not because it said anything new, but rather because of what it omitted to say.

Why are the intelligence services putting an advert on a 'nutters' site and then being replaced by a Ronson one...hmmm makes you think doesn't it

[flamesong]

MFP, can you provide a link to the Team Satan website so that I can run ith through the wayback machine and see these links to MI5 etc. for myself.

Thanks

[mason-free party]

[flamesong]

The wayback machine archives pretty much everything. Even when it does not archive images the hyperlinks on them are intact - so if there were ads on there the links will still be active even if their targets are dead.

[flamesong]

Just pick any date back to 21st November 2002:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk

[flamesong]

No, MFP, you misunderstand. I need a link to the Team Satan website - where these links to MI5 are supposed to have been.

[mason-free party]

[flamesong]

I'm very curious why he didn't include it in his article. It has to be the first rule of investigative reporting to include ones sources.

I learned this the hard way in 2002 when I found a page on Granma International, the official Cuban newsagency - http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html - which transcribed a speech in which Fidel Castro claimed that the US had orchestrated 9/11. I didn't save the link.

I'm not going to continue chasing after evidence of this. Without a link or some other proof it is simply an unfounded allegation. If you or Rixon Stewart want anybody to give credance to this, one of you needs to back it up.

[TimmyG]

[prole art threat]

[prole art threat]

[prole art threat]

Here is the ad for security services jobs:

http://web.archive.org/web/20000511101726/circlemakers.org/new_documen ts.html

[andyb]

This is a prime example of why people don't take us seriously enough and how easy it is for us to get attacked. Quite simply, if you don't have any proof don't bother as it makes you look like a nutter and harms all the hard work that others are doing. This is the same with whatever pet theories you may have re 9/11. If you are trying to raise awareness amongst a mainstream audience then stick to provable facts like Able Danger, War Games, ISI involvement, Cheney's control of NORAd, pre warnings from other countries, the failure of the commission to answer the questions set out by the family stereing committee, WT7 etc. These are all provable and cannot be argued against, of course people like Ronson will take the piss if we start mentioning holograms, zionists etc, that are completely unproven and are little more than your opinion. We provide him with ammo and then get upset when he uses it against us. There were a number of posters on the Ronson thread saying this form the word go yet others kept on at him and are now saying the article is proof of their fears. It isn't, it's proof that your tactics are completely wrong.

[ian neal]

[jonronson]

[quote="Abandoned Ego"]

[prole art threat]

Oh dear, Jon Ronson writes a hit piece on us and all of a sudden everyone on here is pointing fingers and accusing each other of bringing it all about themselves.

Let's be honest with ourselves, Ronson has his own agenda and no matter how we had welcomed him he would have written a similar piece.

He is probably sat reading this forum rubbing his hands with glee because this is exactly the desired effect he was hoping for.

As far as I can see, that piece has made him look like an unproffessional, prize buffoon. The guy is an idiot and can barely string sentences together.

Look, can we try and stop pandering 'paranoid style' to a potential market of future 9/11 Truthers? The evidence is all there for them to see, if they so wish, and 'being careful about what we say and how we say it' is an exercise in dishonesty. Im sorry but allowing ourselves to being forced into a zone, splitting rank and made to walk on eggshells is exactly what 'hit pieces' from Ronson are hoping to achieve. We are allowing ourselves to be backed into a corner which can only have the gravest of consequences for our Movement.

Can we stop blaming each other and get back to blaming the real psychopaths who carried out this 911 crime in the first place, please?

[Andrew Johnson]

[Rabbie McM]

Yes well said Prole Art.

I would suggest, by the way - that Jon Ronson owes this forum an apology. Not the other way round. Most of the replies to him were civil and engaging. Mr Ronson clearly had an agenda...

[dontbelievethehype1970]

Thank you Jon, for your link.

As we all know the civil liberties of individual people in every country around the world are constantly being undermined by big government, including Habeas corpus.

There is an immense pressure from big business for us to pay our taxable income to implementing draconian surveillance of the law aiding population.

www.verichipcorp.com,
www.digitalidforum.com

I really like those crop circles btw, both real and imagined...

[iro]

[Rabbie McM]

Mr Ronson, if you are still reading - here is the reality. The twin towers and building 7 were brought down by controlled demolition thus clearly inside job. Have a detailed look at their collapse and it is undeniable. It made me feel stupid when I found out how I hadn't seen it before - and then incredibly angry.

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and forgive you your outrageous article in the Guardian on Saturday where you implied that we are all nutcases and geeks - and "not rational."

Most of us on here found out in a painful fashion how we are betrayed by our governments. If anyone on here was "rude" to you- it is because of the incredible anger towards the so called "free press" who deny informed discussion on this. So take it like a man - and get onside - and give the evidence a fair hearing.

[TimmyG]

yes i know we're all annoyed by the 'free press' but lets try and get over ourselves and start being a bit more rational can we?

try and read some of these posts from ronsons perspective. are you really suprised by his reaction?

[John White]

[mason-free party]

by the way i was only seemingly nasty to Jon Ronson to see if he'd take the bait...which he did hook ,line and sinker....you wouldn't get far in a poker game Jon boy,people would see straight thru ya

[TonyGosling]

What rot - Ronson's just excercising deftness in the art of the possible, the guy's just doing what you realistically can. He really pissed off Dennis Healy too with some superb cheek!

Have you ever got a four part conspiracy series commissioned by Channel Four? Did you see 'For The Love Of' which he did the year before? Some of the best television I've ever seen.
I've also met Ronson for a couple of hours highly enlightening chat in an Islington cafe, where you might more usefully bump into him in the street and put your points to him direct. However you might prefer to just get off here and go onto his forum. I prefer that option if you really believe what you say.
Jon did what I thought was an excellent job with his Secret Rulers of the World series - within the strictures of 21st century television.

Its so easy to gripe when you live in an imperfect world - but what a waste of everyone's time restating the obvious - Matt Munroe