Jon Ronson 9/11 Truth hatchet job

[suspecta]

[Abandoned Ego]

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[mason-free party]

no coincidence that 'Ally' posts the Ronson article...brothers in crime..just look at the number of thread views,bloody infestation of mi5 shills

[kbo234]

Henry Makow is a Jewish writer who lives in Canada. He invented the board game "Scruples". From all the reading and other research I have done around 9/11, I find his interpretation of our global political reality is spot on. More than any other writer, this guy, for me, has got it right.

His latest article is particularly apposite for posting on this thread. Read it to the end and you will see why.

The Illuminati World of "Make Believe"

November 04, 2006
By Henry Makow Ph.D.

If you asked Genghis Khan for his formula for world conquest, you'd expect to hear "overwhelming force" or "brute violence."

You would NOT expect him to say, "'Make-believe.'"

"Make-believe?" Who is this, a diabolical Disney?

Yet in the First Protocol of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," the author says three times, Our Countersign is "Force and Make-believe."

By "make-believe" I assume he means Mass Deception.

I finally noticed this because of something I read in "The Truth About the Slump" (1931) by A.N. Field. It appears that Illuminati Jewish bankers financed the Bolshevik Revolution in exchange for ownership of Russian industry. (pp.62-72)

German Secret Service documents instructed the Bolsheviks to "destroy the Russian capitalists as far as you please, but it would by no means be possible to permit the destruction of Russian enterprises."

The German Imperial Bank sent the Bolsheviks in excess of 60 million rubles. In this context, Field cites Documents 10 and 11 between the bankers and the Bolsheviks: "They give a complete synopsis of the terms on which the German banks after the war were to control Russian industry." (p. 69)

Of course German Secret Service Chief Max Warburg, the brother of US Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Warburg, was behind this. We're talking about international bankers and their confederates here.

Excuse me but I was taught Communism was about equality and "public ownership," and the workers rose up to overthrow capitalist tyranny. I was not taught that Communism was a clever scheme by which certain capitalists paid Lenin and Trotsky to steal the wealth of other capitalists while pretending to promote the cause of workers.

The international bankers used US Treasury money to finance both the Bolshevik Revolution and the USSR. (Collective Speeches of Congressman Louis T. McFadden, Chairman, House Banking Committee, p 397.)

What a triumph of "Make-believe" Communism was! Think of the millions of idealists who devoted their lives to this farce? Think of the millions who died in World War Two when the same bankers financed Hitler to keep Stalin in line? Think of the trillions of dollars spent in the Cold War? "Make-believe!" Think of how little we in the West hear of Stalin's or Mao's atrocities compared to Hitler's. (See my "The Other Side of Holocaust Denial")

If Communism was a ruse, we can assume that every major historical event and cultural trend in modern Western History, including the religion of "secular humanism and modernism", are also the product of "Make-believe."

If they could pull off the Communist fraud, the 9-11 attacks and the "War on Terror" are small potatoes.

How do they do it? They control the instruments of "Make-believe": the mass media and "education" system.


ZIONISM

Some people think the central bankers are instituting their world dictatorship on behalf of the Jewish people. This is understandable since the same bankers (Rothschild, Schiff, Warburgs etc.) have been the official leaders of the Jewish community. They finance Jewish organizations and political movements where Jews are prominent. But if Communism was a ruse, certainly the others, Feminism, Liberalism, Socialism, Neo Conservatism and Zionism, are also fraudulent. As much as anyone, Jews are the target and victims of Illuminati banker "Make-believe."

Louis B. Marshall, (1856-1929) the Counsel to bankers Kuhn Loeb, which represented the Rothschilds said in a letter Sept. 26 1918, "Zionism is but an incident of a far-reaching plan: it is merely a convenient peg on which to hang a powerful weapon."

Gee, how would Jews who dedicated their lives to this dream of a "national homeland" react to this news? Or to the information that the new Israeli Supreme Court is filled with Masonic symbolism designed to serve the New World Order?

Recalling that "force" is the other half of the formula, Marshall's letter ended with a threat to non-Zionist Jews: "All the protests they may make would be futile. It would subject them individually to hateful and concrete examples of a most impressive nature. Even if I were disposed to combat Zionism, I would shrink from the possibilities that might result."

This letter was addressed to Max Senior, a businesman and philanthropist, who had asked Marshall to speak against Zionism at a rally. The threat is indicative of the gangster tactics Zionists used against the Jewish community. Senior was quick to react. He replied to Marshall Sept. 30 1918:

"I repudiate any connection on national, religious, racial or cultural grounds, with 'national home-land for the Jews in Palestine.' We have seen how demoralizing a divided allegiance was to the Germans in this country. I do not pretend to know the inside political history and intricacies of policy at which you hint...I am not to be intimated into silence by either of the threats you mention...I regard the real danger to the Jew to lie in the silent acquiescence to the Zionist claims." (L. Fry, Waters Flowing Eastward, p.55)

CONCLUSION

J. Edgar Hoover famously said: "The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."

Communism and Zionism are just "incidents in a far reaching plan" to create a "world government" dictatorship run by the central bankers dedicated to Lucifer. The "powerful weapon" is the energy of organized Jewry in helping to overthrow the Christian basis of Western Civilization and ushering in the "New Age." If necessary, Jews again can be sacrificed in the bankers' twisted megalomaniacal game.

Communism is satanic. Its emblem, the five-pointed star, is Satanic. The Communist Manifesto calls for the destruction of the family, culture, science and religion (atheism), the confiscation of property and inheritance, control of communication and dictatorship. It also called for private central banks and income tax.

It troubles me that the central bankers behind Communism are also behind 9-11 and the War on Terror. It troubles me that Zionists ( i.e. Neo-Cons) figure largely in fostering the next stage of the "Far reaching plan", which is the "Clash of Civilizations."

I don’t believe Jews could have accomplished this without the cooperation of non-Jewish elites organized in corporate cartels and secret societies like Freemasonry, the Pilgrim Society, Skull and Bones, Mormons, Fabians, Theosophists and the Bilderbergs. Essentially the New World Order is the extension of British-American imperialism, which always was the expression of a small Jewish-Gentile plutocracy.

It troubles me that, thanks to "Make-believe," the masses (Jewish and non-Jewish alike) live in a fool's paradise unaware of the darkness descending on them. And those who pierce the "Make-believe" to alert the masses are accused of "hate"
http://www.savethemales.ca/

[Abandoned Ego]

[kbo234]

[ian neal]

My advise to everyone who believes that the world is controlled by a zionist cabal is to dig deeper and understand the games that are played.

Ultimately the faith and origin of those that hold and abuse the most power in the world is irrelevent.

It is irrelevent to us, the bulk of humanity who are treated like little more than sheep, by the ruling elites.

Our responsibility is to understand we have been systematically hoodwinked, to realise we are many and they are few and to retake control over our own destinies.

And I believe you will find it is irrelevent to them. The fact that GWB proclaims himself a born again Christain doesn't make it so, so why imagine that those who proclaim themselves Jewish zionists are necessarily sincere in their faith.

This has nothing to do with zionism or judaism or christianity or islam other than as useful labels to push peoples' buttons and manipulate opinion. So I say to all those who constantly want to educate us as to how a cabal of powerful zionists run the world, you are being played.

Indeed many of you may be the players, deliberately linking 9/11 truth with zionism and zionism with anti-semiticism and 'racism'. Muddying the waters and stoking the fires until we end up with polarised belief systems and a clash of civilisations between 'good' and 'evil'. Now whose agenda does that fulfiul I wonder?

[kbo234]

[kbo234]

[andyb]

Why do all you people who bang on about the Zionists always seem to fail to mention the security services(CIA, MI6, ISI, Mossad,etc) who had the power to carry out something like this? This is where the eveidence takes us the rest is speculation that is harmful to the campaign.

[ian neal]

Andy, I think you hit the nail on the head. It is not that discussion of zionism and Israel is off limits. The activities of PNAC and MOSSAD have a place on discussion forums such as this.

But it is a question of balance and the impression that is given to the casual reader. Other security services, elites and cabals are as relevent in terms of placing 9/11 in context. What about the masons or the papal cabal or skull and boners or the mafia or various drug cartels or bilderbergers or CFRers or the web of interests and connections that link so many seemingly disconnected people and organisations, etc, etc.

When someone's mantra is, 'it's all a zionist conspiracy' I tell you, I say they are playing straight into the hands of the PTB. KBO, you acknowledge that many Jewish zionists maybe insincere in their faith, presumably merely using it as a smoke screen behind which to hide in much the same way as GWB is born again whilst owing a blood oath to the skull and bones. That then leaves the question, why would they do that?

Surely if that is the case it is because they use their proclamations of jewishness' as a protective barrier, so that whenever anyone criticises powerful zionists they can cry anti-semiticism. In other words the more people portray the global elite as a zionist controlled elite (which I don't believe anyway), the more they play straight into their hands.

If you want expose the wickedness of successive Israeli governments, here are my top tips for issues to focus on

The terrorist outrages that underpinned Israel's formation
The ongoing state terrorism against Muslim civilians in the West Bank and Gaza
The USS Liberty

And when looking for sources to make a case, keep to the mainstream media and jewish sites which are critical of zionism such as jews against zionism.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.nkusa.org/
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

Do that and you won't go far wrong. And then move on to expose the others crimes of global elites who aren't jewish or zionists. That way as a forum we present a more balanced picture and rebuff the claims of people like Jon Ronson.

[brian]

I posted this interview the other day on this thread -

An extract -

--Silvia Cattori: An investigation on what, exactly?



Youssef Aschkar: On the neocons who rule the Pentagon and are the cause of so many humanitarian disasters! On what really happened on September 11, 2001! On who is really running the war in Iraq! Is it Mr. Bush, or is it these monsters at the Pentagon who use mercenaries to carry out secret operations in the Middle East? --

-- The new masters are of a different kind: they are connected to the monstrous team of the neocons, who act in all four corners of the globe by means of their networks and their mercenaries. The economic sphere is in full submission to their project --

Full interview below -

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%

Who has the power to have "The economic sphere is in full submission to their project"

Rothschild on central banking -

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages...will bear its burden without complaint, and perhaps without suspecting that the system is inimical to their best interests." - Rothschild Brothers of London communiqué to associates in New York June 25, 1863
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Who has the power to control the media?

Who has the power to gain silence and aquiescence from other States and their agencies?


Who gave us the document "A Clean Break" - the Zionist forerunner to the PNAC document calling for the New Pearl Harbour"? The PNAC document itself a mainly Zionist concoction.

Who are clearly up to their necks in the events of Sept 11?

To go on about a global elite without specifics makes us sound like any old leftist conspiracy theorists. Without doubt many in major positions of power are not in any way Zionists but as the Rothschild quote above shows they are hostage to the bankers.

To start to unravel the crime of Sept 11 it is surely sensible to point to those who called for it, were clearly involved, have gained from it and are milking it dry.

They are the Zionists. Wherever that unravelling leads we can let the chips fall where they may.

[Skeptic]

Yes, Andy's point re: intellegence services is spot on. If you are going to point the finger at any groups, intellegence services are by far the most pragmatic target.

On the other hand, once discussion turns towards groups and not individuals focus is drawn away from those responsible.

Instead of attributing responsibility for crimes to 'zionists', why not discuss Richard Perle, Douglas Feith etc instead and let their mtoivations and affiliations be discovered/ proved later.

[alkmyst]

Ever wondered why there is so much effort put in to preventing open debate on Zionism?

As I am sure that many contributors to this forum are aware, there is absolutely nothing Christian about the Catholic church.

Whilst it must be acknowledged that there are many, within the Catholic faith, who endeavour to live their lives according to the basic tenets of the Christian teachings, the reality is that the Vatican is rather more patient (and subtle) than the child-like arrogance of the NeoCons, in pursuing their hegemonic goals.

However, the Vatican and their Jesuit 'military' are well aware of the 12th Century prophecy of St. Malachy. Malachy is accredited with foretelling the destinies of a total of 112 popes from Celestine II. It is reported that Pope John Paul II (#110) lived in trepidation that he would meet the Anti-Christ during the course of his lifetime.

The present Pope (Benedict XVI) is therefore #111 in the sequence.

St. Malachy said of the final incumbent, "In the final days of the Roman Church, there will reign Peter of Roman, who will feed his flock among many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful judge will judge the people."

Consider the possibility that the reference to the seven-hilled city, is actually a reference to Jerusalem. The dreadful judge perhaps being a reference to the Anti-Christ; Pope #112?

In 1909, Pope Pius X experienced a mystical vision which absolutely terrified him; writing, "Will it be myself or one of my successors?"
In his vision, he saw the Pope leaving Rome, for the last time, walking over the dead bodies of his priests.

If this is to be the case, the next Pope will preside over the destruction of Jerusalem and take his seat in the Holy City; the stated goal of the Jesuit extremists.

Although many people are waking up to the Machiavellian agenda of the Jesuits, most are still hung up on looking at the machinations of the Zionists! Thus the role of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) is to prevent any debate over the role of the Zionists by crying "Anti-Semite" at any given opportunity. The outcry over Dr. Steven E. Jones' recent comments, leading to his 'resignation' from Brigham Young University, being a classic example.

This is a brilliant strategy; failure to penetrate the Zionist agenda ensures that there is very little comprehension of the Jesuit power play. To put it in perspective, the Zionists to the Jesuits are as Al-Qaeda to the CIA. The name of the game is to establish exactly who is manipulating whom!

The Zionists are nothing more than a patsy front. Protecting the patsy is very effective in protecting the puppet master(s). To those who hold the (purse) strings, the state of Israel is as expendable as the 655,000+ Iraqi civilians and the 4,000+ US & British servicemen killed in the illegal post 9/11 military incursions.

To deny the role of the Zionist agenda in the current geopolitical hegemony is as intellectually dishonest as denying the extreme terror tactics used by Ben Gurion and the Stern gang, in their quest to establish a Jewish homeland in the 1940's. To raise this point in open forum will inevitably invite cries of 'anti-semitism' from intellectual pygmies as well as those who have sold their soul to the most brutal deity in recorded mythology. Such a reaction should be the first clue that you might actually be on to something!

9/11 was the opening play, signalling the commecement of the final stages of this particular game. If participants of this forum are genuinely interested in making a difference, they must be prepared to probe without fear of where the cards may fall.

As a matter of interest, Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, leader of the Jesuits (Black Pope) since 1973, announced earlier this year that he will retire in 2008. The choice of his successor will be most telling ... to say nothing of the successor to Pope Benedict XVI!

Now Jon boy, drop the whinging victim BS that you present as a poor excuse for quality journalism and do some serious research, preferably without the constraint of seeing anti-semitic 'code-words' at the turn of every page!

Al K Myst

[lostpomme]

Bravo. I agree one hundred percent.

...and here comes the predictable "Anti semite" backlash... 5...4...3...

[kbo234]

[alkmyst]

Perhaps the time is now right to encourage more researchers to focus some energy towards the Jesuit agenda.

As you have surmised, the Zionists are the patsies in all of this. The Jesuits would like to see all those who consider themselves to be Jewish to return to their 'homeland'...so that when they initiate the final war between the Muslim nations & the Jewish 'homeland', there is as much mutual destruction as it is possible to engineer ...and believe me, they've had a lot of practice.

The Jesuits other agenda is to subjugate all 'Protestant' nations ....regardless of the cost, because the US Tax Payers fund the Jesuit wars via Federal Taxes, which go directly to the Jesuit controlled Federal Reserve, otherwise known as the 'Bank of Rome'. As portrayed most eloquently in Aaron Russell's recently released film ''From Freedom to Fascism'

Ultimately, the Holy Office (21st Century Inquisition) wishes to return to a time when the heretics can be eliminated. There are scores to settle, mainly with the UK and the US because these nations rebelled against Rome. Tony Blair's recent visit to the Vatican probably gave his Jesuit masters an opportunity to brief him on the next stage of the gameplan.

"...but he's not Catholic," I hear you shout.

Well, not yet ... but there is a strong possibility that he will adopt the Catholic faith just as soon as he leaves No.10. If he does go Catholic, it will be a signal to the Jesuits that he has addressed his given tasks ... i.e. eroding personal freedoms and British national sovereignty. Thankfully, he cannot now achieve his primary goals of either taking Britain into the Euro zone or forcing the obscenity known as the European Constitution on the British people.

As I mentioned this Rabbit Hole runs so deep that it is beyond the comprehension of some of the most seasoned researchers. It is certainly not possible to introduce the Jesuit connection until people have worked through the following stages:

1). 9/11 Truth
2). The NeoCon Agenda
3). The history of Fake Terror
4). The Zionist Connection
5). Mossad/CIA(ISI)/MI6 Black Ops

Then and only then, is it possible to probe the next layer of the onion!

As mentioned in a previous post, it is prophesised by St. Malachy, that there will be just one more Pope after the present incumbent. Will that be because the next Pope assumes the role of Global Dictator ...or will it be because the people start to realise how the Roman Church has subjugated humanity by their perverse religion ... and reclaim their birthright?

The rabbit hole runs very deep and if you elect to go deeper ... you must be ready to re-learn everything that you thought you knew. This is the process of Metanoia...and it has nothing to do with 'repentence' as it was mis-translated in the KJ version of the orthodox canon ... but everything to do with changing the way you think!

Make no mistake ...this next leg of the journey is not for the faint-hearted.

FYI - Bill Clinton attended the Jesuit financed Georgetown University and as for the Jesuit relationship with Skull & Bones, see the last link below.

Peruse the following links for a bit more information:

www.pacinst.com/terrorists/chapter5/titanic.html

www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Conspiracies.htm

www.reformation.org/secrets-of-the-bank-of-rome.html

www.reformation.org/federal-reserve.html

www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/E-new-world-order/2003/05E-11-2 6-03-the-sinking-of-the-titanic.html

www.reformation.org/don-francis-borgia.html

Bon chance.

By the way, this ain't the end of the story... not by a long chalk!

Al K Myst

[ian neal]

[Abandoned Ego]

[alkmyst]

"It has served us well, this myth of Christ." - Pope Leo X; 1475 - 1521

There is nothing Christian about the Roman Church!

Al K Myst

[kbo234]

[lostpomme]