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| Kier wrote: | Hello,
There is no 'evidence' against Peter Power or Visor consultants which suggests they were doing anything more than a training exercise. However, to those who are under the impression that this was simply an exercise on paper, please be aware that this is actually not the case.
Peter Power revealed on July 8th that Visor were also running 'mock broadcasts' on the 7th, simulating those that would be used in the event of a terrorist attack. Mr. Power stated that these broadcasts had been so realistic that they confused people when the genuine reports started coming through.
Curiously, this information was only made available in a small item by a local newspaper in the North West of England.
For a closer look at Peter Power, Visor & mock broadcasts, please see our article here.
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So, it was an exercise on paper with mock broadcasts.
Very possibly the mock broadcasts created for the Panorama programme with which he was involved, as described on your website:
"For those that missed the documentary, the BBC has kindly provided a copy of "'How the fictional attack unfolded", a page dedicated to revealing how news of the fictional attack was presented to the world via a series of 'mock broadcasts'."
That would seem a sensible way of livening up what might otherwise be a rather sterile training session.
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alkmyst
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject: Power & stuff |
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Bushwacker wrote:
| Quote: | So, it was an exercise on paper with mock broadcasts.
Very possibly the mock broadcasts created for the Panorama programme with which he was involved |
Well BWKR, that is indeed one possibility ... but as I have stated previously, our respective speculation could be addressed by Peter Power answering the following questions, under oath:
1). What was the name of the Company / organization that contracted Visor Consultants to conduct the ‘Terror Exercises’ on Thursday July 7th 2005?
2). What are the names of the individuals who established the contract with Visor Consultants and what is their relationship with the British (or any other national) Government?
3). What was the full nature of the briefing given to Visor Consultants; and when was it given to them?
4). What is the relationship of Peter Power, or any other member of Visor Consultants, with the British (or any other national) Security Services?
5). With whom was the planning of the July 7th ‘Terror Exercise’ shared?
Until such time as Mr. Power is prepared to respond to these questions, under oath, his 'exercise' will continue to remain an integral part of the possible equation.
By the way, drawing upon your detailed research, what train do you believe the four alleged perpetrators actually took from Luton, on July 7th last year?
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Bushwacker
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Power & stuff |
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| alkmyst wrote: | Bushwacker wrote:
| Quote: | So, it was an exercise on paper with mock broadcasts.
Very possibly the mock broadcasts created for the Panorama programme with which he was involved |
Well BWKR, that is indeed one possibility ... but as I have stated previously, our respective speculation could be addressed by Peter Power answering the following questions, under oath:
1). What was the name of the Company / organization that contracted Visor Consultants to conduct the ‘Terror Exercises’ on Thursday July 7th 2005?
2). What are the names of the individuals who established the contract with Visor Consultants and what is their relationship with the British (or any other national) Government?
3). What was the full nature of the briefing given to Visor Consultants; and when was it given to them?
4). What is the relationship of Peter Power, or any other member of Visor Consultants, with the British (or any other national) Security Services?
5). With whom was the planning of the July 7th ‘Terror Exercise’ shared?
Until such time as Mr. Power is prepared to respond to these questions, under oath, his 'exercise' will continue to remain an integral part of the possible equation.
By the way, drawing upon your detailed research, what train do you believe the four alleged perpetrators actually took from Luton, on July 7th last year?
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Yes, but there is no reason why Mr Powers should release that information and subject his clients to all the harassment they would get from "truthseekers" just to satisfy you. I suspect he will be prepared to live with your speculation.
It seems most probable that the four terrorists took the 7.24 train which, according to Thameslink, actually left Luton at 7.25 and arrived at King Cross at 8.23.
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alkmyst
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:10 am Post subject: Power & Trains |
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BWKR wrote:
| Quote: | | ...there is no reason why Mr Powers should release that information... |
Indeed, it is probably conducive with him remaining on this mortal coil!
BWKR wrote:
| Quote: | | I suspect he will be prepared to live with your speculation. |
The operative word being 'Live'!
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| Quote: | | It seems most probable that the four terrorists took the 7.24 train which, according to Thameslink, actually left Luton at 7.25 and arrived at King Cross at 8.23. |
On what basis do you make this assumption, when there is not a single report even suggesting this possibility. The only witness, to have supposedly identified the four alleged perpetrators, says they were on the 7.48?
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Bushwacker
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:10 am Post subject: Re: Power & Trains |
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| alkmyst wrote: |
Blah, blah, bogeymen would get him, blah, blah
BWKR wrote:
| Quote: | | It seems most probable that the four terrorists took the 7.24 train which, according to Thameslink, actually left Luton at 7.25 and arrived at King Cross at 8.23. |
On what basis do you make this assumption, when there is not a single report even suggesting this possibility. The only witness, to have supposedly identified the four alleged perpetrators, says they were on the 7.48?
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On the basis of times they were caught on timed CCTV at Luton(7.21) and Kings Cross(8.26), according to the offical account. That says they were seen by a witness on the 7.40, but as we know from Thameslink the 7.40 did not run, so that is a mistake, now acknowledged by the Home Office. The train they refer to arrived at 8.23 so that ties in with it being the delayed 7.24 which Thameslink time arriving at 8.23.
What is your source that a witness saw them on the 7.48?
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alkmyst
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:12 am Post subject: Adieu |
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BWKR wrote:
| Quote: | | On the basis of times they were caught on timed CCTV at Luton(7.21) and Kings Cross(8.26), according to the official account. That says they were seen by a witness on the 7.40, but as we know from Thameslink the 7.40 did not run, so that is a mistake, now acknowledged by the Home Office. The train they refer to arrived at 8.23 so that ties in with it being the delayed 7.24 which Thameslink time arriving at 8.23. |
Actually, the CCTV of the photoshop four shows a time of 7.21.56, and Marie Bernes (Customer Relations - Thameslink), in her Email of 16th Aug 2005, states that the 7.24 left on time at 7.24; arriving at Kings X Thameslink at 8.20.
Observations:
1). The four alleged perpetrators must have hot-footed it across the footbridge to get from Camera 14 (07.21.56) to catch the 07.24:
- without being seen by any fellow commuters
- without being seen by any Station Staff
- without being caught on any other CCTV camera
- without concern for the 10lbs of highly volatile TCTP in their respective backpacks.
2). There have never been any reports or even reported conjecture by the Police, the media or witnesses produced to support the claim that the alleged perpetrators caught the 7.24.
3). When the Narrative was released, it still claimed that the alleged perpetrators caught the 7.40,
4). It has been known in the public domain, since Aug 16th 2005, that the 7.40 train was cancelled!
5). The only reason that John Reid eventually admitted that the Narrative contained an error was due to the investigative efforts and tenacity of the Truth Community; the Guardian publishing an interview with Bridget Dunne and a subsequent article by Beverly Martin.
6). When John Reid tried to suggest that the Police had provided incorrect information, the Police responded by stating that they had not actually been asked to provide any information! So where exactly did the author(s) of the Narrative get their information?
7). Re: witness accounts stating alleged perpetrators seen on 7.48pm see link: www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/07/344733.html
Go listen to Nafeez Ahmed, even he now openly suggests that the official account is seriously flawed. Brave indeed for a man that has yet to be awarded his Ph.D!
Anyway, that's enough of this regurgitation. Go read through our the threads that addressed this issue earlier in the year.
Ultimately, the truth will prevail ... and who knows, you might actually be correct ... Release The Evidence.
By the way, you're a poor substitute for the inimitable Ms. North. Is she on holiday perhaps ... or has she been moved to another desk?
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Bushwacker
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Adieu |
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| alkmyst wrote: | BWKR wrote:
| Quote: | | On the basis of times they were caught on timed CCTV at Luton(7.21) and Kings Cross(8.26), according to the official account. That says they were seen by a witness on the 7.40, but as we know from Thameslink the 7.40 did not run, so that is a mistake, now acknowledged by the Home Office. The train they refer to arrived at 8.23 so that ties in with it being the delayed 7.24 which Thameslink time arriving at 8.23. |
Actually, the CCTV of the photoshop four shows a time of 7.21.56, and Marie Bernes (Customer Relations - Thameslink), in her Email of 16th Aug 2005, states that the 7.24 left on time at 7.24; arriving at Kings X Thameslink at 8.20.
Observations:
1). The four alleged perpetrators must have hot-footed it across the footbridge to get from Camera 14 (07.21.56) to catch the 07.24:
- without being seen by any fellow commuters
- without being seen by any Station Staff
- without being caught on any other CCTV camera
- without concern for the 10lbs of highly volatile TCTP in their respective backpacks.
2). There have never been any reports or even reported conjecture by the Police, the media or witnesses produced to support the claim that the alleged perpetrators caught the 7.24.
3). When the Narrative was released, it still claimed that the alleged perpetrators caught the 7.40,
4). It has been known in the public domain, since Aug 16th 2005, that the 7.40 train was cancelled!
5). The only reason that John Reid eventually admitted that the Narrative contained an error was due to the investigative efforts and tenacity of the Truth Community; the Guardian publishing an interview with Bridget Dunne and a subsequent article by Beverly Martin.
6). When John Reid tried to suggest that the Police had provided incorrect information, the Police responded by stating that they had not actually been asked to provide any information! So where exactly did the author(s) of the Narrative get their information?
7). Re: witness accounts stating alleged perpetrators seen on 7.48pm see link: www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/07/344733.html
Go listen to Nafeez Ahmed, even he now openly suggests that the official account is seriously flawed. Brave indeed for a man that has yet to be awarded his Ph.D!
Anyway, that's enough of this regurgitation. Go read through our the threads that addressed this issue earlier in the year.
Ultimately, the truth will prevail ... and who knows, you might actually be correct ... Release The Evidence.
By the way, you're a poor substitute for the inimitable Ms. North. Is she on holiday perhaps ... or has she been moved to another desk?
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1. Don't be absurd, what you actually mean is that no one has come forward and said they remembered them, something very different. The police have released only the CCTV images necessary to identify them. They moved fast, they were young men, perhaps they saw the train and ran, I have seen people do that.
2. so?
3. so?
4. Yes, very inefficient of someone.
5. Yes, what about it?
6. I don't know, what do you think? Sounds like buck-passing.
7. Your link does not work.
I have no idea who Nafeez Ahmed is, and if you can't be bothered to post I certainly can't be bothered to look up your earlier threads, or find out what you are talking about with Rachel North, do you have some sort of obsession with her?
Now that the error with the train times has been admitted, you really have nothing with which to refute the official narrative in any way, have you?
Apart of course from the belief that there are no such things as terrorists.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:41 am Post subject: Mind The Gap |
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BWKR wrote:
| Quote: | | They moved fast, they were young men, perhaps they saw the train and ran |
Thank you for at least acknowledging that the alleged perpetrators would have had to run, to stand any chance of getting from the entrance by camera 14 (07.21.54) to catch the 7.24!
Now, how about we try an experiment. You stand under camera 14, carrying a backpack loaded up with 10lbs of TATP; you then have a maximum of 2.30mins to make it through the ticket barriers (assuming that the alleged perpetrators already had tickets), over the footbridge and down onto the platform 6. To properly simulate the alleged events of July 7th, you will either need to pursuade three others to join you in the experiment ... or you will have to do it four times.
Later.....
Having just spoken with a friend, who happens to Ph.D Chemist, I must implore you not to accept this challenge; the likelihood of you being able to run more that 100yds without creating a big amorphic mess, is apparently slim to none!
A detailed analysis of the anomalies between the official account and the evidence, presently available in the public domain, can be found at:
www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-mind-the-gaps-part-1.html
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www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-mind-the-gaps-part-2.html
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According to the official narrative there was no need to run to catch the 7.24.
| Quote: | 07.15: Lindsay, Hussain, Tanweer and Khan enter Luton station and go through the ticket barriers together. It is not known where they bought their tickets or what sort of tickets they possessed, but they must have had some to get on to the platform.
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Next in the narrative comes the groupcctv.jpg image, showing the four entering the station, with the timestamp cropped off.
Then: | Quote: | 07.21: The 4 are caught on CCTV together heading to the platform for the King’s Cross Thameslink train. They are casually dressed, apparently relaxed. Tanweer’s posture and the way he pulls the rucksack on to his shoulder as he walks, suggests he finds it heavy. It is estimated that in each rucksack was 2-5 kg of high explosive. Tanweer is now wearing dark tracksuit bottoms. There is no explanation for this change at present.
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Is the narrative implying that the timestamp is 6 or 7 minutes fast?
No-one has come out and said so.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject: Trains & stuff |
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According to the official narrative, there was no need to run... because they caught the 7.40!
However, Numeral raises a valid question by asking, "Is the narrative implying that the timestamp is 6 or 7 minutes fast?"
What is the supporting evidence to corroborate the observation that the alleged perpetrators entered the station at 7.15 ... and why has it not been released into the public domain?
Any suggestion that we should take the narrative content at face value is unrealistic; particularly in the light of the the Blair's (Tony & Ian) history of being somewhat economic with the truth!
Release the Evidence!
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It cannot be as simple as the timestamp on the CCTV being fast. The Official Report states that the four men entered Luton station at 7.15am. The CCTV image shows them entering Luton station at 7.21am.
However, the Official Report describes the image as the men "heading to the platform"; implying a continuation of the previous paragraph, and that they were already in Luton station. This contradicts the image entirely. |
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An update on my attempts to find a member of parliament with the guts to ask this question about Peter Power in the House of Commons.
Mr Meecher had been to busy going for the PMs job to follow this up.
But seeing the recent Ripple Effect and learning of the in addition Panorama senario gave me new information to approach him with.
He told me to e-mail him, so I did and included a link to the Ripple Effect film.
This is a few weeks ago now and I have recieved no reply from him.
So,
In view of Norman Baker MPs record of asking the PM if he was a Bilderberg, exposing the governmnets chemtrailing of us, and his book on Dr Kelly, I thought I would try him instead.
Sorry to say I just recieved an e-mail that basically says he can see things not right with 7/7, but he hasnt looked into it but will if he finds the time.
So, I dont know who else to approach?
Maybe George Gallaway?, but will the rest of the house take him seriously?
Frightening when you realise the next 911 will be used to invade Iran and could well start a nucleur holocaust that not a single British MP finds the subject of obvious false flag terrorism worthy of making time for. |
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I missed this thread first time around so its been an interesting read.
Nice to hear of your endeavours with Mr Meacher and its was a shame he refrained from the LC2 screening back then, though its understandable why given the pressure it would have placed him under. Lets hope Mr Baker can find the time to investigate 7/7 as he certainly has the bottle to raise the issue.
As for Galloway you will be wasting your time. He is best respected for what he has done and left at that as an anti zionist and anti imperialist.
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Sorry for this late update to an old thread, I had forgotten I was on this forum until I just received a spam message notification.
I hadn't had any further response from Mr Meacher, then on 20th October 2011 I bumped into him and asked him if he had followed up what we had discussed previously, I was most surprised and somewhat alarmed when he told me he had contacted MI5 about it, he claimed their response was somewhat feasible, but couldn't recall what it was, he said he would dig it out and e-mail me it, though he never did.
He also asked me what my interest was which somewhat caught me off guard and I could only think to reply, "truth".
I was considering bringing to his attention the Olympic bomb scenario the Rockefeller foundation has posted on it website, but think it will be a waste of time.
http://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/uploads/files/bba493f7-cc97-4da3- add6-3deb007cc719.pdf Page 34 if you havnt seen this yet.
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Peter Power Divulges It Was Reed Elsevier He Was Working For On 7/7
Posted on May 7, 2009 by Clare Swinney
By Clare Swinney, April 7th 2009
https://clareswinney.wordpress.com/2009/05/07/peter-power-divulges-it- was-reed-elsevier-he-was-working-for-on-77-a-company-criticized-for-it s-links-to-the-arms-industry/
Peter Power of Visor Consultants, who openly admitted during a BBC interview shortly after the London bombings of July the 7th 2005, that he was running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London peterpowerbased on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where the 7/7 bombings occurred, has disclosed that the company he was working for was Reed Elsevier.On April the 6th, in response to a news item and a short blog related to the 7/7 bombings that were posted on the Uncensored website, he stated in the comment section that in 2005 Reed Elsevier asked Visor Consultants to prepare an effective crisis management plan and rehearse, and he wrote that: ” Several draft scenarios were drawn up and the crisis team themselves set the exercise date and time: 9.00am on 7 July…”. You can read his full statement here, which he provided to the j7: July 7th Truth Campaign Blog website back on the 3rd of October 2008, although it evidently did not attract any media attention then. It has now however, as the major alternative news sites, Prisonplanet.com and Infowars.com have published the story.
So what is Reed Elsevier known for? Their website shows that the company invests heavily in disseminating information across the globe, describing itself as a world leading provider of professional information and online workflow solutions in the science, medical, legal, risk information and analytics, and business sectors, as well as being one of the world’s largest media companies. It owns a wide variety of companies and publications, from LexisNexis to Gray’s Anatomy and New Scientist magazine.
It promotes the unfounded notion that climate change is a threat and hails support for the United Nations Global Compact, and its activities are as diverse as funding medical facilities in the developing world, to hosting meetings to discuss designing a transatlantic agenda.
In recent years it has been criticized for promoting the arms industry, as it has organized arms exhibitions in the Middle East, the UK and the US where inhumane weapons and torture devices have been exhibited. Reed Exhibitions, a a subsidiary of Reed Elsevier, runs The Shot Show in the US where electroshock batons and stun belts have been up for sale, in conjunction with torture devices that bear that inhumane caption: “Making Grown Men Cry Since 1975″ according to the Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT).
In addition, Reed Exhibitions purchased the IDEX fair which has been a subject of some controversy too. According to the Independent, IDEX, named “the world’s largest and fastest growing defence exhibition,” organized an exhibition in 2007 in the United Arab Emirates and invited the defence minister of Sudan, a regime condemned for sponsoring the “genocide” in Darfur, as well as put land mines and cluster bombs up for sale.
Reed Exhibitions owned the Defence Systems and Equipmentreedagm07small International, (DSEI) a defence and security equipment exhibition, which is held every two years in London Docklands. It staged a show from the 13th to the 16th of September in 2005, a few weeks after the 7/7 London bombings, described as Europe’s biggest arms fair. However, it appears that owing to criticism from campaigners who believed the company was making the international arms dealers’ work that much
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easier, the company sold the DSEI to Clarion Events in April 2008. Reed is still part-owner of the ExCel Center, where the exhibition is to be held in 2009.
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