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| Anti-sophist wrote: | | darker and deeper holes |
Indeed!
Let's not forget that the six pointed star has six triangles and look a hexagon in the middle! Hmm someone is a bit obsessed with death or is that fear? Oh look you can draw three lines from the middle of that hexagon and you get another cube! That fear, that bottomless pit that some would use. Just be careful you don't fall in AS. 
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| Whoa. You just upped the crazy ante. |
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | | Anti-sophist wrote: | | darker and deeper holes |
Indeed!
Let's not forget that the six pointed star has six triangles and look a hexagon in the middle! Hmm someone is a bit obsessed with death or is that fear? Oh look you can draw three lines from the middle of that hexagon and you get another cube! That fear, that bottomless pit that some would use. Just be careful you don't fall in AS. |
How many bong hits did you pull before you wrote this?
Here's a site that should interest you:
http://www.timecube.com/
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Heavens alone knows how you you lot got onto this stuff
I'm just wondering though: does AS dissing the merkavah as "crazy" count as anti-semitism?
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | How many bong hits did you pull before you wrote this?
Here's a site that should interest you:
http://www.timecube.com/ |
Probably nowhere near as much acid as you had as a child being an OCT lackey!
Also for someone who continues to carry around, and thereby promote, that PDF in your signature you really shouldn't be exposed to too much reality as you may have a psychotic episode and fall down one of those holes you've been digging since that last batch of of bad acid!
Now if you can't handle the geometry and math of reality that's completely understandable. Now off you go back to la la land.
The first sniff is always the most difficult!
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | | Now if you can't handle the geometry and math of reality that's completely understandable. |
 It's just, geometry has never struck fear in my heart. Nor has it ever been useful to me in evaluating someone's obsession with death.
(Are you implying Jews are obsessed with death?)
And how it relates to AS's post, or "deeper and darker holes" is beyond a mystery to me.
I don't see how anyone can read that post and consider it a sane response to AS.
| Quote: | | The first sniff is always the most difficult! |
Is that what your uncle told you? Or was it your priest?
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| This thread has taken the most mentally-insane offtopic tangent I've ever seen. Some true colors are finally being shown. |
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| Anti-sophist wrote: | | This thread has taken the most mentally-insane offtopic tangent I've ever seen. Some true colors are finally being shown. |
So you're going to stick with the OCT I take it?
Now repeat after me:
I live in la la land la la land la la land I live in la la land la la land la la land
I live in la la land la la land la la land and yes I'm an OCTer.
Look mate just be careful of that hole you're digging as you might never get out!
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | Patrick Brown wrote: | | Now if you can't handle the geometry and math of reality that's completely understandable. |
It's just, geometry has never struck fear in my heart. Nor has it ever been useful to me in evaluating someone's obsession with death.
(Are you implying Jews are obsessed with death?)
And how it relates to AS's post, or "deeper and darker holes" is beyond a mystery to me.
I don't see how anyone can read that post and consider it a sane response to AS.
| Quote: | | The first sniff is always the most difficult! |
Is that what your uncle told you? Or was it your priest? |
Well I'm not sure why the Israelis flag has a blue six pointed star consisting of two intersecting equilateral triangles on a white background. I'll leave you to ponder that one my little munky.
As for my sanity I'm not the person pushing the OCT while carting around a very dubious PDF file which you claim proves beyond doubt that all us truthers are wrong.
I may have to test you on some more aspects of reality over the coming weeks so as to ascertain the degree of your delusional state. Even the foot may not be able to help your condition.
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| You do know the difference between geometry and numerology, right? |
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | | Well I'm not sure why the Israelis flag has a red six pointed star consisting of two intersecting equilateral triangles on a white background. I'll leave you to ponder that one my little munky. |
Red? If you're not sure, there are plenty of resources available to find out. Here's one:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/History/Modern%20History/Israel%20at%2050/Th e%20Flag%20and%20the%20Emblem
edit: I see you corrected the flag color. Had to look it up did you?
| Quote: | | I may have to test you on some more aspects of reality over the coming weeks so as to ascertain the degree of your delusional state. |
I look forward to it.
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| Quote: | History of Design: The flag of The State of Israel includes two blue stripes on white background with a Shield (Star) of David (in Hebrew: Magen David) in the center. This design was first displayed in Rishon-LeZion in 1885 and was also used at the First Zionist Congress in 1897 (Encyclopaedia Judaica, 1971). It was inspired by the tallit (the prayer shawl with blue stripes worn by Jews during prayer) as a symbol. The Star of David is a common symbol of the People of Israel from Biblical times. The flag was adopted officially on October 28, 1948 (25 Tishre, 5709) by the Speaker of the Provisional Council of State.
http://www.science.co.il/Israel-flag.asp |
| Quote: | Some Orthodox Jewish groups reject the use of the hexagram Star of David because of its association with magic and the occult. They do not recognize it as a Jewish symbol. Some fringe Haredi groups, such as Neturei Karta and Satmar reject it because they associate it with Zionism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David |
This might be of interest: http://goldismoney.info/forums/t79402-question-on-israeli-flag.html
And this: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3764
And this: http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Despatch/Jews02.htm
Not buying any of this but it's interesting none the less.
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | Patrick Brown wrote: | | Well I'm not sure why the Israelis flag has a red six pointed star consisting of two intersecting equilateral triangles on a white background. I'll leave you to ponder that one my little munky. |
Red? If you're not sure, there are plenty of resources available to find out. Here's one:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/History/Modern%20History/Israel%20at%2050/Th e%20Flag%20and%20the%20Emblem
edit: I see you corrected the flag color. Had to look it up did you?
| Quote: | | I may have to test you on some more aspects of reality over the coming weeks so as to ascertain the degree of your delusional state. |
I look forward to it. |
Not really as the original Jewish symbol is red (Magen David Adom): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Magen_David_Adom.svg
Here the blue one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David
| Quote: | The Star of David is called the Shield of David in Hebrew, מָגֵן דָּוִד or מגן דוד, pronounced Magen David [ma.'gen da.'vid] in Israeli Hebrew and Mogein Dovid ['mɔ.geɪn 'dɔ.vid] or Mogen Dovid ['mɔ.gen 'dɔ.vid] in Ashkenazi Hebrew and Yiddish. It is named after King David of ancient Israel; sometimes it is called the Seal of Solomon after his son, King Solomon. It is a generally recognized symbol of Judaism and Jewish identity and is also known colloquially as the Jewish Star. This usage began in the Middle Ages, alongside the more ancient symbol of the menorah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David |
Not sure what the “Adom” stands for?
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | | Quote: | History of Design: The flag of The State of Israel includes two blue stripes on white background with a Shield (Star) of David (in Hebrew: Magen David) in the center. This design was first displayed in Rishon-LeZion in 1885 and was also used at the First Zionist Congress in 1897 (Encyclopaedia Judaica, 1971). It was inspired by the tallit (the prayer shawl with blue stripes worn by Jews during prayer) as a symbol. The Star of David is a common symbol of the People of Israel from Biblical times. The flag was adopted officially on October 28, 1948 (25 Tishre, 5709) by the Speaker of the Provisional Council of State.
http://www.science.co.il/Israel-flag.asp |
| Quote: | Some Orthodox Jewish groups reject the use of the hexagram Star of David because of its association with magic and the occult. They do not recognize it as a Jewish symbol. Some fringe Haredi groups, such as Neturei Karta and Satmar reject it because they associate it with Zionism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David |
This might be of interest: http://goldismoney.info/forums/t79402-question-on-israeli-flag.html
And this: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3764
And this: http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Despatch/Jews02.htm
Not buying any of this but it's interesting none the less. |
riiiiiiight.....
Very "interesting", yes:
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As I have said, the mainspring of the New World Order is the private central bankers' need to translate their unlimited financial power, derived from their control of your government's credit, into permanent world institutions of political and social control.
Millions of non-Jews and a disproportionate number of Jews have sold their souls to these Lucifer-loving bankers. Led by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, the banking cartel is behind the Sept. 11 attacks, the Iraq war and the phony "War on Terror.
They are behind the B'nai B'rith-ADL. Take their "Diversity" program for example. You cannot work for a large corporation or government today without receiving this insulting Stalinist indoctrination which assumes we are all inclined to hate. A measure of the Masonic control of Western society is that "Diversity" was never debated or put to a vote. It became the official ideology as if by magic.
Particularly distasteful is the ADL's "early childhood initiative" which targets 3-5 year-olds for indoctrination. They hide behind a smokescreen of platitudes but the net effect is that youngsters of European origin do not learn pride in their national or cultural heritage. The ADL boasts that 375,000 teachers and 12 million students have participated in these programs.
In the workplace, "Diversity" discriminates against Europeans, and particularly white heterosexual males in favor of women, coloreds and homosexuals. People are chosen on the basis of this political profile instead of their competence, which would be truly non-discriminatory and fair, not-to-mention efficient.
The purpose is to fragment society and destabilize the family so there is no coherent basis for resistance to world government. At the same time, the ADL actively promotes Zionist education and consciousness, including free trips to Israel for Jewish youth. Thus Jews are indoctrinated to promote the Masonic agenda and to take the fall when the time comes. |
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | | chipmunk stew wrote: | | Patrick Brown wrote: | | Well I'm not sure why the Israelis flag has a red six pointed star consisting of two intersecting equilateral triangles on a white background. I'll leave you to ponder that one my little munky. |
Red? If you're not sure, there are plenty of resources available to find out. Here's one:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/History/Modern%20History/Israel%20at%2050/Th e%20Flag%20and%20the%20Emblem
edit: I see you corrected the flag color. Had to look it up did you?
| Quote: | | I may have to test you on some more aspects of reality over the coming weeks so as to ascertain the degree of your delusional state. |
I look forward to it. |
Not really as the original Jewish symbol is red (Magen David Adom): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Magen_David_Adom.svg
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Errrr....NO...
That's the symbol the the Israeli equivalent of the Red Cross uses.
| Quote: | | The Magen David Adom (Hebrew: מגן דוד אדום) is Israel's national emergency medical, disaster, ambulance and blood bank service. The name means "Red Shield of David" but is usually translated as "Red Star of David". |
The one on the Israeli flag, which was adopted from the flag used by the First Zionist Congress, which shouldn't be surprising considering that the aim of the Zionists was to establish a Jewish state.
| Quote: | | Not sure what the “Adom” stands for? |
It's Hebrew for "red".
I must say, Patrick. I am completely baffled. This whole Masonic, Zionist, Symbolic Mysticism kick seems to have come completely out of left field. It has absolutely no sensible connection to the prior discussion.
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | I must say, Patrick. I am completely baffled. This whole Masonic, Zionist, Symbolic Mysticism kick seems to have come completely out of left field. It has absolutely no sensible connection to the prior discussion. |
Well fair enough as I'm not Jewish I wouldn't know certain things although it's good that you accept that the Zionists decided to adopt the hexagram which is an Occult symbol as we all know.
Now about this Silverstein chap is it true that he was very close to Sharon? I'm also wondering who's the main man at the new jersey port authority is?
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Very "interesting", yes:
| Quote: | ADL Shills for Elite Agenda
As I have said, the mainspring of the New World Order is the private central bankers' need to translate their unlimited financial power, derived from their control of your government's credit, into permanent world institutions of political and social control.
Millions of non-Jews and a disproportionate number of Jews have sold their souls to these Lucifer-loving bankers. Led by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, the banking cartel is behind the Sept. 11 attacks, the Iraq war and the phony "War on Terror.
They are behind the B'nai B'rith-ADL. Take their "Diversity" program for example. You cannot work for a large corporation or government today without receiving this insulting Stalinist indoctrination which assumes we are all inclined to hate. A measure of the Masonic control of Western society is that "Diversity" was never debated or put to a vote. It became the official ideology as if by magic.
Particularly distasteful is the ADL's "early childhood initiative" which targets 3-5 year-olds for indoctrination. They hide behind a smokescreen of platitudes but the net effect is that youngsters of European origin do not learn pride in their national or cultural heritage. The ADL boasts that 375,000 teachers and 12 million students have participated in these programs.
In the workplace, "Diversity" discriminates against Europeans, and particularly white heterosexual males in favor of women, coloreds and homosexuals. People are chosen on the basis of this political profile instead of their competence, which would be truly non-discriminatory and fair, not-to-mention efficient.
The purpose is to fragment society and destabilize the family so there is no coherent basis for resistance to world government. At the same time, the ADL actively promotes Zionist education and consciousness, including free trips to Israel for Jewish youth. Thus Jews are indoctrinated to promote the Masonic agenda and to take the fall when the time comes. |
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Your quote not mine! I'm not pointing any finger here I'm just asking a few questions.
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | | Your quote not mine! I'm not pointing any finger here I'm just asking a few questions. |
That's what we in the debunking business call "JAQing off".
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | | chipmunk stew wrote: | | I must say, Patrick. I am completely baffled. This whole Masonic, Zionist, Symbolic Mysticism kick seems to have come completely out of left field. It has absolutely no sensible connection to the prior discussion. |
Well fair enough as I'm not Jewish I wouldn't know certain things although it's good that you accept that the Zionists decided to adopt the hexagram which is an Occult symbol as we all know. |
They adopted a six-pointed star, liar.
I'm not Jewish, either. All the information I have presented is readily accessible to Jews and non-Jews alike.
Tell me again how this insane ranting is relevant to the previous discussion?
| Quote: | | Now about this Silverstein chap is it true that he was very close to Sharon? I'm also wondering who's the main man at the new jersey port authority is? |
When you find out (try some non-conspiracy-related sources for a change) then you can tell us why we should care.
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | Patrick Brown wrote: | | Your quote not mine! I'm not pointing any finger here I'm just asking a few questions. |
That's what we in the debunking business call "JAQing off". |
Well I've certainly rubbed you up the wrong way haven't I munky.
When are you going to stop promoting that crappy PDF file?
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | Patrick Brown wrote: | | chipmunk stew wrote: | | I must say, Patrick. I am completely baffled. This whole Masonic, Zionist, Symbolic Mysticism kick seems to have come completely out of left field. It has absolutely no sensible connection to the prior discussion. |
Well fair enough as I'm not Jewish I wouldn't know certain things although it's good that you accept that the Zionists decided to adopt the hexagram which is an Occult symbol as we all know. |
They adopted a six-pointed star, liar. |
Err you're the one carrying around the lies in that crappy PDF file you promote?
Hexgram: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram
| chipmunk stew wrote: | I'm not Jewish, either. All the information I have presented is readily accessible to Jews and non-Jews alike.
Tell me again how this insane ranting is relevant to the previous discussion?
| Quote: | | Now about this Silverstein chap is it true that he was very close to Sharon? I'm also wondering who's the main man at the new jersey port authority is? |
When you find out (try some non-conspiracy-related sources for a change) then you can tell us why we should care. |
I think the fact that Silverstein signed a 99 years lease for the WTC complex only three months [EDIT: that should read six weeks!] before 911 is slightly fishy!
Hey I'm sure Larry's a really nice guy just like all those other peeps involved in property.
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | | chipmunk stew wrote: | | Patrick Brown wrote: | | chipmunk stew wrote: | | I must say, Patrick. I am completely baffled. This whole Masonic, Zionist, Symbolic Mysticism kick seems to have come completely out of left field. It has absolutely no sensible connection to the prior discussion. |
Well fair enough as I'm not Jewish I wouldn't know certain things although it's good that you accept that the Zionists decided to adopt the hexagram which is an Occult symbol as we all know. |
They adopted a six-pointed star, liar. |
Err you're the one carrying around the lies in that crappy PDF file you promote?
Hexgram: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram |
Which is not "an Occult symbol as we all know." I'll use your own wikipedia link to illustrate:
| Quote: | | It is also possible that as a simple geometric shape, like for example the triangle, circle, or square, the hexagram has been created by various different peoples with no connection to one another. |
| Quote: | | The hexagram is a Mandala symbol called satkona yantra or sadkona yantra found on ancient South Indian Hindu temples built thousands of years ago |
| Quote: | | Magen David is a generally recognized symbol of Judaism and Jewish identity and is also known colloquially as the Jewish Star. Its usage as a sign of Jewish identity began in the Middle Ages. |
| Quote: | | The hexagram may be found in some [Christian] Churches and stained-glass windows. |
| Quote: | | Professor Gershom Sholem theorizes[citation needed] that the "Star of David" originates in the writings of Aristotle, who used triangles in different positions to indicate the different basic elements. The superposed triangles thus represented combinations of those elements. From Aristotle's writings those symbols made their ways into early, pre-Muslim Arab literature. |
| Quote: | | The islamic Turkish beyliks of the Karamanid and Candaroglu dynasties used the star on their flag. Even today, the star can be found in mosques and on other Arabic and Islamic artifacts. |
| Quote: | | Six pointed stars have also been found in cosmological diagrams in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. |
| Quote: | | The Star of David is also used less prominently by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints [Mormons], chiefly in architecture. |
| Quote: | | The Star of David is used in the seal and the emblem of the Theosophical Society (founded in 1875). Although it is more pronounced, it is used along with other religious symbols. These include the Swastika, the Ankh, the Aum, and the Ouroborus. |
| Quote: | | The hexagram, like the pentagram, was and is used in practices of the occult (where it is known as a magician's, or sorcerer's star) as well as Satanism. In these traditions the hexagram is inscribed inside a circle with the points touching it. |
| Quote: | | One of the symbols relating to the notorious American street gang Crips, is the six point star. Its six points stand for love, unity, money, loyalty, wisdom, and understanding. This symbol is sprayed on walls and tattooed on crip members. |
| Quote: | | In alchemy, the two triangles represent the reconciliation of the opposites of fire and water. |
| Quote: | | In southern Germany the hexagram can be found as part of tavern anchors. It is symbol for the tapping of beer and sign of the brewer's guild. In German this is called 'Bierstern' (beer star) or 'Brauerstern' (brewer's star). |
| Quote: | I think the fact that Silverstein signed a 99 years lease for the WTC complex only three months before 911 is slightly fishy!
Hey I'm sure Larry's a really nice guy just like all those other peeps involved in property. |
The lease was the result of a very public bidding process. You can read about it.
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| Quote: | Although there is no Christian basis for this symbol, there is a controversial Jewish connection. It’s based, not on the Old Testament, but on an occult Hebrew text called the Kabbalah (also spelled Qabalah and Cabala). The Kabbalah and its religious system is a mystical division of Judaism. Some have referred to as an occult parallel to the Old Testament. The hexagram has often been used in conjunction with its teachings on the "Tree of Life."
In the mid-1990s, I had a chance to discuss this issue with two rabbis during a synagogue open house. These two gentlemen admitted the hexagram’s mystical significance and its association with the Kabbalah. In fact, they had placed an explanation of this symbol inside the synagogue for the benefit of visitors–referring directly to its esoteric meaning.
http://www.gracesite.net/Holy%20Grails%20and%20Hexagrams.htm |
| Quote: | Kabbalah (Hebrew: קַבָּלָה, Tiberian: qabːɔˈlɔh, Qabbālāh, Israeli: Kabala) literally means "receiving", in the sense of a "received tradition", and is sometimes transliterated as Cabala, Kabbala, Qabalah, or other permutation. Kabbalah esoterically interprets the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) and classical Jewish texts (halakha and aggadah) and practices (mitzvot), as expressing a mystical doctrine concerning God's simultaneous imminence and transcendence, an attempted resolution to the ancient paradox of how the ultimate Being—"that which is not conceivable by thinking" (Isaac the Blind)—nevertheless comes to be known and experienced by the created world. Because of the interpretive liberties taken by kabbalistic thinkers, and the possible heresies to which they may easily lead, study of Kabbalah was traditionally restricted to a select few Rabbis and Torah scholars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah |
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chipmunk stew
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | | Quote: | Although there is no Christian basis for this symbol, there is a controversial Jewish connection. It’s based, not on the Old Testament, but on an occult Hebrew text called the Kabbalah (also spelled Qabalah and Cabala). The Kabbalah and its religious system is a mystical division of Judaism. Some have referred to as an occult parallel to the Old Testament. The hexagram has often been used in conjunction with its teachings on the "Tree of Life."
In the mid-1990s, I had a chance to discuss this issue with two rabbis during a synagogue open house. These two gentlemen admitted the hexagram’s mystical significance and its association with the Kabbalah. In fact, they had placed an explanation of this symbol inside the synagogue for the benefit of visitors–referring directly to its esoteric meaning.
http://www.gracesite.net/Holy%20Grails%20and%20Hexagrams.htm |
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It goes on:
| Quote: | | We may think of certain patterns and designs as being ornamentally attractive, but keep in mind that many symbols portray more than what is initially perceived. Some symbols, such as the hexagram, have been incorporated into Christianity without believers really knowing what is represented. In this day of grand deceptions, we need to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. We need to put on the full armor of God, and stand firmly against the works of Satan. |
You linked to a site authored by a paranoid Christian. Hardly an objective source.
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This image is not representative of ancient Kabbalistic imagery. It's a modern image created long since the Star of David has been embraced as a symbol by most Jews in the world. The Tree of Life is that part in the center with ten small circles, not the hexagram with six big circles.
| Quote: | | Quote: | Kabbalah (Hebrew: קַבָּלָה, Tiberian: qabːɔˈlɔh, Qabbālāh, Israeli: Kabala) literally means "receiving", in the sense of a "received tradition", and is sometimes transliterated as Cabala, Kabbala, Qabalah, or other permutation. Kabbalah esoterically interprets the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) and classical Jewish texts (halakha and aggadah) and practices (mitzvot), as expressing a mystical doctrine concerning God's simultaneous imminence and transcendence, an attempted resolution to the ancient paradox of how the ultimate Being—"that which is not conceivable by thinking" (Isaac the Blind)—nevertheless comes to be known and experienced by the created world. Because of the interpretive liberties taken by kabbalistic thinkers, and the possible heresies to which they may easily lead, study of Kabbalah was traditionally restricted to a select few Rabbis and Torah scholars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah |
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Where are you going with this, Patrick? The secret Masonic shadow gov't is related to the Zionists, who are related to the ancient Kabbalists? And the members of this secret occult society are magical wizards who have mastered dark magical arts of control and world domination? Is this really where you're going?
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Patrick Brown
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | Where are you going with this, Patrick? The secret Masonic shadow gov't is related to the Zionists, who are related to the ancient Kabbalists? And the members of this secret occult society are magical wizards who have mastered dark magical arts of control and world domination? Is this really where you're going? |
I'm just observing your reactions to all this. I'll have to blow the dust off some old books and see what else I can dig up.
But I thought this was funny:
| Quote: | Midrash ha-Ne'elam, explaining passages of Scripture mystically by way of hints and gematria (mystical numerology); 
Saba, containing a conversation between the prophet Elijah and Simeon ben Yohai about the doctrine of metempsychosis; 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zohar#Appendices_and_additions |
Hmm “metempsychosis” that's reincarnation right, couldn't find anything about “Saba” and the conversation between the prophet Elijah and Simeon ben Yohai. Could this mean that this mystic jewish cult believe in reincarnation? Hmm just like the Occultists then!
They, the jews, also have this thing about linage don't they:
| Quote: | Of the four gospels, only Matthew and Luke give accounts of Jesus' genealogy. Matthew's account gives the male line through his legal father Joseph; Luke either gives the male line or, according to another interpretation, the line through Jesus' mother, Mary.[12] Both accounts trace his line back to King David and from there to Abraham. These lists are identical between Abraham and David, but they differ between David and Joseph. Matthew starts with Solomon and proceeds through the kings of Judah to the last king, Jeconiah. After Jeconiah, the line of kings terminated when Babylon conquered Judah. Thus, Matthew shows that Jesus is the legal heir to the throne of Israel. Luke's genealogy is longer than Matthew's; it goes back to Adam and provides more names between David and Jesus.
Joseph appears only in descriptions of Jesus' childhood. With Jesus commending Mary into the care of the beloved disciple during his crucifixion (John 19:25–27), it is likely that he had died by the time of Jesus' ministry.[13] The New Testament books of Matthew, Mark, and Galatians tell of Jesus' relatives, including possible brothers and sisters.[14] The Greek word adelphos in these verses, often translated as brother, can refer to any familial relation, and most Catholics and Eastern Orthodox translate the word as kinsman or cousin in this context (see Perpetual virginity of Mary).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Life_and_teachings.2C_as_told_in_th e_Gospels |
Star of David eh!
We know a person from recent history who had a thing for linage and gene pools don't we?
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | They, the jews, also have this thing about linage don't they:
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We know a person from recent history who had a thing for linage and gene pools don't we? |
I feel compelled here to re-post Jay Ref's final words before he was banned:
| Quote: | Ian,
You've been wanting an excuse to ban me for quite some time. Now you have it. So go ahead and do it. I have provided evidence galore for every assertion I have ever made on this site. Are you an anti-semite? Of course you are. You will yourself never believe it just as you will never believe all the obvious evidence pointing out thr truth...real truth...of the historical event known simply as "9/11". There is nothing that I can say that you will believe so why try? You will simply believe as you will. A fantasy world is after all safe inside your head. Like a turtle you can duck inside and feel safe. Hey it's your life man, do as you like.
The question of your antisemitism is however a good subject for my departure from this site. I have clearly upset many people by attempting to intrude into their fantsies with hard and uncomfortable facts. Now it's your turn. I truly believe that you think you are fair and unbiased as far as the Jews go. You have acted admirably in removing the "zionazi" and "kike" posts...but I think it's mainly because you are smart enough to know that these overt types hurt the image of your movement.
For me what points to your anti-semitic bias is your insistence in blaming Israel for 9/11. You don't blame the Saudis or the Afghans even though there is evidence of their involvement. No, you point the finger at a nation that has endured decades of Arab terrorism and claim that their very existence is the cause of the terrorism! If you were truly unbiased you would understand that murdering innocent civilians in the name of a cause...any cause...is simply wrong. Fundamentally wrong.
Similarly accusing innocent people of mass-murder, bullhorning memorial services, and ignoring evidence while clinging to a fantasy that isn't even internally consistent is factually, logically, and morally wrong.
The point is not that you are an anti-semite Ian, the point is that the entire truth movement is entwined intimately with an anti-Jewish, anti-American, and pro-Islamic terrorist libel. It is a movement of the credulous, bigotted, and paranoid led by confirmed con artists. The use of the word "truth" by this movement is an insult to the English language.
So ban me Ian. Do it. You've all been itching to remove the true voices of dissent and reason from this site. Why else create a Critic's Corner unless it was to mute the debate? May as well just delete the CC altogether because if you think other critics who post here will leave the issue of your movements' ties to the Willis Cartos' and Stormfronts' of this world alone you are sadly mistaken.
Face it Ian. Your precious movement is not only a lie, it's a hateful lie.
The ball is in your court. You can man up and address the issues I've brought up here or you can do the cowardly Dylanesque response and ban me.
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Patrick Brown
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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You really are a sad sack of sh*t aren't you munky boy. Just like the people you stand for you'll use any trick in the book to beat your enemies. I bet you really do worship the power of fear and death like a “true satanist”. I'll be talking about true satanism at some point in the future but for now lets just suffice to say that anybody that uses death and the fear of death to gain control and power is a satanist.
I don't believe in good and evil instead I just see clarity and confusion. You're obviously a very confused little munky if you believe you can keep propping up the OCT without anybody noticing that you're talking sh*t.
I've made no statement and I haven't expressed an opinion as regards Jews, Zionists or even Americans so what's your point? Oh I forgot it's the same problem you've had since birth i.e. You don't know your cake-hole from your a-hole! This fact may explain why you talk sh*t and carry around a bullsh*t PDF trying to convince people that a 47 storey protected steel structure can collapse in 6.5 seconds without the assistance of explosive devices.
As for the hexagram:
| Quote: | Some Orthodox Jewish groups reject the use of the hexagram Star of David because of its association with magic and the occult. They do not recognize it as a Jewish symbol. Some fringe Haredi groups, such as Neturei Karta and Satmar reject it because they associate it with Zionism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David#Shield_with_stars |
So even some Jews think it's an Occult symbol.
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