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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:06 pm    Post subject: Beam Weapon Theory Summaried Reply with quote

The Beam Weapon Theory is the proposed hypothesis to explain the 'demise' of WTC1 & WTC2 on 9/11.

It is the only theory that has been put forward which attempts to explain all the verifiable forensic evidence, including:

1) Demise of the Towers at speeds mathematically calculated to be faster than Free-Fall in a vacuum,

2) Large 'bites' taken out of surrounding buildings (some almost completely circular),

3) Holes 'bitten' into the streets,

4) 'Toasted' cars,

5) Pulverisation to fine (toxic) dust of the concrete, steel, asbestos, filing cabinets, computer desk & equipment, and much of the organic material (i.e. people) - of (what is probably) roughly 75% of each Tower,

6) BUT - following on from (5), above - PAPER is left undamaged, so as to flutter all over Manhattan.

7) Retained protection of the WTC Complex Bathtub.

The theory starts from observations & data based the 7th aspect, above.

Manhattan is a island in the Hudson River, which flows either side of it. The WTC Complex is quite close to the waterfront, opposite New Jersey. So close, in fact, that it needs to be protected by what is known as the Bathtub. This acts like an underground 'levee' or 'dyke', to keep the sub terra parts (7 levels of Sub-Basements) of the Complex 'dry'.

There is also a system of underground trains that connect Manhattan with New Jersey. These are known as PATH Trains (Port Authority Trans-Hudson Trains). Rupturing these would also flood Manhattan. (They surface inside the Bathtub).

The point is that 9/11 was, indeed, a Psy-op, but only to bring down the WTC Complex (which was, by the way, condemned in 1989, because of the asbestos, and the galvanic erosion problems. It was given 12 more years of existence, and would have cost over $5 million to repair. In 1989 the WTC Complex became a White Elephant. The only safe method was to dismantle the Towers piece by piece, which would have cost more than building them in the first place … because now the asbestos would have had to be considered).

The 9/11 perps needed to bring down the complex, but not to flood ManhattanNew Orleans was the target for the 'flooding' Psy-op.

If the Towers had been brought down by 'standard' Controlled Demolitions, then (it has been calculated that) the result would have registered 3.8 on the Richter Scale per Tower (based on the height and mass, etc. of each Tower). Even one collapse, at this level, would have decimated the Bathtub, and flooded Manhattan Island.

How, then, to destroy the buildings (blaming Arabs) without damaging the Bathtub?

The next stage of the argument moves to Seattle. Where data is available in respect of the Controlled Demolition of the Seattle Kingdome.

The Kingdome was ONE QUARTER the mass of each Tower. It was circular, and had a WIDER FOOTPRINT than each Tower (so the weight was spread over a larger area), and was only about as high as the 36th Floor of the Towers. The Towers sat on bedrock, whereas the Kingdome sat on a much softer, more porous, foundation.

Furthermore the 'Centre of Mass' of each Tower was roughly 7½ times higher than that of the Kingdome. The 'Centre of Mass' can be looked as 'the average height from which the entire mass of the building has been dropped'. Everyone knows that the higher something is dropped, the harder it hits, when it reaches the ground.

When the Kingdome was demolished, it registered 2.3 on the Richter Scale.

When WTC1 'disappeared of the face of Planet Earth' it registered 2.3 on the Richter Scale. A few minutes before that, WTC2 'disappeared', registering 2.1.

These 'collapses' were SMALL ENOUGH TO ENSURE THAT THE BATHTUB WAS NOT RUPTURED.

How did they manage to minimise the demise of each Tower such that it registered such small ground shakes (relatively speaking, of course)? A ground shake equal - in one case - to that of the Seattle Kingdome of ¼ the size & mass?

The answer is 'by dissolving the top ¾ of each building'. Yes - DISSOLVING. Into the fine toxic dust that anyone who has looked at the pictures, or seen the videos (e.g. 911Eyewitness) can see only too well.

The lower 36 (or so) floors were more or less equivalent to the Kingdome. They were demolished by 'conventional' means (could even be Steven Jones' 'thermate', who knows?) in order to provide sufficient 'debris' such that no-one would 'notice' that 'nothing' was left to show that a Tower has stood there.

It was these lower floors that created the seismic readings.

So that explains the way the Towers were brought down, in accordance with the known (and verified) data measurements.

Now … you explain how to DISSOLVE (so that it simply blows away on the wind), THREE QUARTERS of a steel-framed high rise.

Your explanation needs to take into account the circular holes in the buildings & streets, and the 'toasted' cars … some up to ½ mile away.

WTC1 & WTC2 were not 'demolished'. They were 'destroyed' … basically they were 'dissolved'.

Profs. Judy Wood & Morgan Reynolds have made an attempt to explain this 'destruction' here.

Maybe you can do better?

Feel free to Google "directed energy weapon", and see how many hits you get.

The top one will probably be this.

The PAPER? Well, consider what happens to paper (and card, and plastic) when you put it into a Microwave Oven. The FOOD warms up (equivalent to 'people'), but the paper, card or plastic container is unaffected..

Maybe this also explains the 'jumpers'. Were they being cooked …from the inside (just like a Microwave Oven works)?

The theory is that energy was directed at the Towers. This was chosen to 'resonate' on a molecular level with steel, concrete, and all the major materials (there is plenty of evidence for more than one beam).

Don't bother to ask "How much energy would that take". The answer is "Are the Towers still standing?"

Don't bother to ask (as Steven "Kindly Face" Jones does) "Where did the energy come from?" Jones the liar knows full well where it comes from. Read up on Nikola Tesla. He undoubtedly worked on the very device that was used, during his time at Los Alamos. YOU CAN REST ASSURED THAT THE *MANHATTAN* PROJECT HAS COME A LONG WAY SINCE THE 1940s.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although it does sound convincing, I would need to know:

where would this device have been stored?
How big?
From where would the weapon have been fired?

If this weapon works on a molecular level, why were no other surrounding buildings affected?

After all, to bring down the towers like that you would need a very large or very powerful weapon?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting that the theory is pinned on the bathtub being undamaged, when in fact it was severely damaged in many locations, with some parts of the walls moved several meters.

Theory for theories sake. CD covers it all and is far more likely.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Veronica

That was an excellent post.

I wish you would post more frequently on this site.

More and more people are accepting that conventional CD of the whole building is no longer plausible - however as you can see from the last couple of posters some are still in denial.

Don't let them put you off - they still believe that planes can cut through buildings like a knife through butter
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that Article Veronica which serves to highlight the evidence and attract some interesting responses from posters with interesting handles....
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interesting that the theory is pinned on the bathtub being undamaged, when in fact it was severely damaged in many locations, with some parts of the walls moved several meters.

Theory for theories sake. CD covers it all and is far more likely.


Agreed - while the beam weapon has some apparently explanatory features, it ultimately raises more questions than it answers.
Which is no problem for those usual suspects whose questions tend to be superficial at best.

There's a contractor on video saying the bathtub had been pulled in by 3ft as his team is working to shore it up and secure it. Whether he meant 18 inches per side or 3 ft per side, the interviewer never thought to ask - but the whole predication of not damaging the bathtub is at best misleading or at worst false.

And suggesting others are in denial for want of some corroborating evidence by those with a penchant for illuminati-style technology beyond what we mere mortals know of (even those of us who keep up with developments) and known history for denial of what is technically possible
is a bit rich to say the least.

If anything existed at present that could do that to steel , it would be deployed on a system for taking out enemy armour, first and foremost.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew Johnson wrote:
Thanks for that Article Veronica which serves to highlight the evidence and attract some interesting responses from posters with interesting handles....


I thought we were supposed to ask the tough questions?

Veronica wrote:
Don't bother to ask "How much energy would that take". The answer is "Are the Towers still standing?"


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyb wrote:

I thought we were supposed to ask the tough questions?


Thanks for taking my signature to heart. Many of the posts here suggest that the conclusion hinges on 1 or possibly 2 pieces of evidence - e.g. energy issues or bathtub issues.

The energy issue is, as mentioned above, as follows:

It would seem that conventional explosives cannot account for the level of pulverisation coupled with the surviving paper debris scattered around the streets (i.e. those 2 aspects of observed physical evidence).

e.g. lots of HOT explosives = lots of burning things (sorry). Paper burns very easily - so how have we got both dust AND lots of paper - why not dust and paper ash?

Where did the seismic signature go? These are basic questions (actually not that hard to phrase, but very hard to answer).

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Andrew Johnson wrote:
andyb wrote:

I thought we were supposed to ask the tough questions?


Thanks for taking my signature to heart. Many of the posts here suggest that the conclusion hinges on 1 or possibly 2 pieces of evidence - e.g. energy issues or bathtub issues.


3. No evidence of such a device to destroy steel and concrete.
4. The demolition of Building 7 creates the same vast dust clouds as the twin towers, yet only a few basement areas were blown.
5. No sign of vaporisation in surrounding structures or roads.
6. WTC External columns wedged in adjacent buildings. No sign of vaporisation.
7. Ear witness, and audio recordings of explosions as the buildings fell.
8. Eyewitness reports of explosions long before the buildings fell.
9. Collapse clearly initiated by cutting of core support columns.
10... And on and on and on...

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The energy issue is, as mentioned above, as follows:

It would seem that conventional explosives cannot account for the level of pulverisation coupled with the surviving paper debris scattered around the streets (i.e. those 2 aspects of observed physical evidence).

e.g. lots of HOT explosives = lots of burning things (sorry). Paper burns very easily - so how have we got both dust AND lots of paper - why not dust and paper ash?


Why do you say this? We can see very clearly that the pulling of building seven, a controlled demolition, caused exactly the same dust clouds as the Towers demolition. The only difference is, there were only explosives in the foundations of B7, whereas the towers had them throughout.

To suggest that paper being blown away from an explosion is somehow suspicious...

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Where did the seismic signature go? These are basic questions (actually not that hard to phrase, but very hard to answer).


There's clear seismic data recordings of the towers falling.
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[This post copied from here: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=37633#37633 ]

There's no reason why normal explosives can't account for the CD of the towers. The “beam Weapon” is a silly shilly distraction game and isn't even clever.

Let me please resolve this issue about the concrete turning to dust as it's really rather simple.

The concrete used for the floors of the twin towers, only 4 inches thick, was lightweight concrete.

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Floor construction typically consisted of 4 inches of lightweight concrete on 1-1/2-inch, 22-gauge
non-composite steel deck.
http://www.civil.columbia.edu/ce4210/FEMA_403CD/html/pdfs/403_ch2.pdf  (page 3)


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The required properties of the lightweight concrete will have a bearing on the best type of lightweight aggregate to use. If little structural requirement, but high thermal insulation properties are needed, then a light, weak aggregate can be used. This will result in relatively low strength concrete.
http://www.concretecentre.com/main.asp?page=134


We can't be sure without more research but we might expect the thermal insulation properties of a lightweight concrete would be more desirable due to the high standards of fire proofing for skyscrapers. Selecting a concrete mix for thermal properties would therefore mean a trade off against strength. Therefore large cast slabs (the concrete for the towers was poured on site) of weak concrete may have been expected to pulverise to dust upon collapse.

More about lightweight concrete here: http://www.cementindustry.co.uk/PDF/Lightweight%20Concrete%20Oct%20200 0.pdf

If we believe that the towers were brought down due to explosive devices we must consider the nature of such explosives. We all understand how thermite works but how about RDX?

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The velocity of detonation of RDX at a density of 1.76 grams/cm3 is 8,750 meters per second.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDX

Explosive velocity is the velocity at which the shockwave front travels through a detonated explosive. It is usually measured in metres per second (m.s-1), but is only ever a rough prediction based upon gas behavior theory, (see Chapman-Jouguet condition) as in practise it is rather hard to measure. Velocities often reach into several kilometres per second, as is the case for nitroglycerin, where the explosive velocity has been cited as 7700 m.s-1.

If the explosive is confined before detonation (such as TNT in an artillery shell), the force produced is focused on a much smaller area (the barrel of the gun), and the pressure is massively intensified. This results in explosive velocity that is much higher than if the explosive had been detonated in open air.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_of_detonation


So can we stop talking about pulverised concrete as it not really an issue although it may well point to the use of RDX, at least in part.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Veronica, what is the basis of - "Jones the liar"

Reynolds and Woods attack on Jones was a ridiculous hotch potch of lies and disinformation yet there appears to be a crew not only willing to swallow their lies hook line and sinker but propogate them. Why?

I have already posted similar and asked if anyone can point out the lies of Professor Jones, not one of his detractors answered. Why?

Jones has used the scientific approach to demonstrate the official explanation is false, that cannot be denied or retracted. He gave/gives the movement a credibility that is undermined by the likes of Veronica and TTWS3 spouting Tesla and suchlike with no credible evidence whatsoever.

I am baffled.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patrick Brown wrote:
....Therefore large cast slabs (the concrete for the towers was poured on site) of weak concrete may have been expected to pulverise to dust upon collapse.


I don't believe it. How 'weak' is 'weak' concrete. Even the softest mixes that I have seen (used as mortar) set very firm when dry and will crack and break not turn to powder when dropped.

Here is a quote from the 'concrete centre' website on Patrick Browne's post:

"Lightweight aggregate concretes can however be used for structural applications, with strengths equivalent to normal weight concrete."

.......in other words, lightweight concretes are still incredibly strong under compression.....and it was compression forces that pulverised the concrete in the WTC's.

I am suspicious of these 'beam theory' developements. They will do our case no good at all.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brian wrote:
.....I am baffled.


Same here.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Beam Weapon Theory Summaried Reply with quote

Veronica wrote:
The Beam Weapon Theory is the proposed hypothesis to explain the 'demise' of WTC1 & WTC2 on 9/11.

It is the only theory that has been put forward which attempts to explain all the verifiable forensic evidence, including:


Verifiable forensic evidence indeed...

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1) Demise of the Towers at speeds mathematically calculated to be faster than Free-Fall in a vacuum

I guess that'd be the similar to the mathematical calculations that allowed NIST to destroy the Towers when physical models wouldn't work?

Well I don't have any mathematical calculations, but my eyes and ears are in good condition, and there's always that seismic data. The towers fell notably slower than free-fall.

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2) Large 'bites' taken out of surrounding buildings (some almost completely circular),


Just out of interest, why does the shape matter? The towers were square, right? The buildings that have these mysterious holes were right under the thousands of tonnes of debris that flew from the towers as they collapsed. What's more likely: Military stooge configures beam weapon to 'small circle' aims it at building 6 and takes a shot for the hell of it... ooor... 100 tonne exoskeleton falls on building creating a hole...

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3) Holes 'bitten' into the streets


Perhaps the same things that bit holes into the surrounding buildings could have done this? Giant steel columns.

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4) 'Toasted' cars,


You mean, a burnt car? From a car park under the WTC?

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5) Pulverisation to fine (toxic) dust of the concrete, steel, asbestos, filing cabinets, computer desk & equipment, and much of the organic material (i.e. people) - of (what is probably) roughly 75% of each Tower


So the calculations can figure out the towers fell faster than free-fall speed, but mmm, I dunno.. Roughly 75% got vaporised.. sounds like these two things rely on each other to to me.

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6) BUT - following on from (5), above - PAPER is left undamaged, so as to flutter all over Manhattan.


Yes. Lots of paper, and you know what else? Small as they were, there was masses of identifiable parts to office furniture and equipment. If you are using a weapon to 'boil' or vaporise something, you don't get half a telephone and the other half is undamaged. The contents of the towers show no sign of being semi vaporised, which means their destruction must have been by sheer kinetic force. That means explosives or big heavy things crashing in to them. Probably both.

If the majority of the towers were vaporised, you'd infact get absolutely thousands of tables, chairs, phones, computers and so on falling to earth. Presumably landing on top of the debris, seeing as it fell faster than free-fall.

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7) Retained protection of the WTC Complex Bathtub.


I think this has been covered. The bathtub wouldnt matter to anyone, and it was severely damaged.

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If the Towers had been brought down by 'standard' Controlled Demolitions, then (it has been calculated that) the result would have registered 3.8 on the Richter Scale per Tower (based on the height and mass, etc. of each Tower). Even one collapse, at this level, would have decimated the Bathtub, and flooded Manhattan Island.


I'm guessing this calculation doesn't take into account what every CD expert this side of the Hudson has always said.

You cut the core columns first. Once that's done any explosion happening in the tower above will not be transmitted through the structure to the bedrock.

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Everyone knows that the higher something is dropped, the harder it hits, when it reaches the ground.

When the Kingdome was demolished, it registered 2.3 on the Richter Scale.

When WTC1 'disappeared of the face of Planet Earth' it registered 2.3 on the Richter Scale. A few minutes before that, WTC2 'disappeared', registering 2.1.


This isn't really anything to do with Beam Weapons unless thats your theory, it also supports CD. Also it's not noted how long the 'quake' was in both cases. This is required to give an accurate idea of the mass that has hit the ground.

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Now … you explain how to DISSOLVE (so that it simply blows away on the wind), THREE QUARTERS of a steel-framed high rise.


K. Explosives.

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Your explanation needs to take into account the circular holes in the buildings & streets, and the 'toasted' cars … some up to ½ mile away.


You needs to take into account explosives.

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The PAPER? Well, consider what happens to paper (and card, and plastic) when you put it into a Microwave Oven. The FOOD warms up (equivalent to 'people'), but the paper, card or plastic container is unaffected..


What happens to a brick?

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Maybe this also explains the 'jumpers'. Were they being cooked …from the inside (just like a Microwave Oven works)?


Lets get this straight. If this is a microwave weapon, it has to be tuned to a specific frequency and I highly doubt you'd get the desired effect with the standard 'excite water molecules' frequency.

In any case, what you are essentially talking about with microwave technology is actually cooking the structure of the towers. In a second. Thousands of tonnes of material in a second. ...and then go on to make some holes in the streets and fry some cars.

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The theory is that energy was directed at the Towers. This was chosen to 'resonate' on a molecular level with steel, concrete, and all the major materials (there is plenty of evidence for more than one beam).


No. There's plenty of CAUSE for more than one beam. So now you've got multiple beam weapons, using TWENTY ONE POINT FIVE GJIGGAWATTS each. One which is inexplicably tuned to vaporise asbestos.. Nice.

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Don't bother to ask "How much energy would that take". The answer is "Are the Towers still standing?"


Why shouldn't I ask how much it would take? OOOOh because that would mean they would also have had to invent a new form of power generation and storage! Genius!

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Don't bother to ask (as Steven "Kindly Face" Jones does) "Where did the energy come from?" Jones the liar knows full well where it comes from. Read up on Nikola Tesla. He undoubtedly worked on the very device that was used, during his time at Los Alamos. YOU CAN REST ASSURED THAT THE *MANHATTAN* PROJECT HAS COME A LONG WAY SINCE THE 1940s.


Unrelated (like your claim) but a friend of mine made a Tesla coil. It can generate sparks just over six inches and some freakin amazing plasma displays when it's operating at a really high frequency.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:02 pm    Post subject: Beam weapon not so silly Reply with quote

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An exotic kind of nuclear explosive being developed by the US Department of Defense could blur the critical distinction between conventional and nuclear weapons. The work has also raised fears that weapons based on this technology could trigger the next arms race.

The explosive works by stimulating the release of energy from the nuclei of certain elements but does not involve nuclear fission or fusion. The energy, emitted as gamma radiation, is thousands of times greater than that from conventional chemical explosives.

The technology has already been included in the Department of Defense's Militarily Critical Technologies List, which says: "Such extraordinary energy density has the potential to revolutionise all aspects of warfare."

Scientists have known for many years that the nuclei of some elements, such as hafnium, can exist in a high-energy state, or nuclear isomer, that slowly decays to a low-energy state by emitting gamma rays. For example, hafnium-178m2, the excited, isomeric form of hafnium-178, has a half-life of 31 years.

The possibility that this process could be explosive was discovered when Carl Collins and colleagues at the University of Texas at Dallas demonstrated that they could artificially trigger the decay of the hafnium isomer by bombarding it with low-energy X-rays (New Scientist print edition, 3 July 1999). The experiment released 60 times as much energy as was put in, and in theory a much greater energy release could be achieved.

Energy pump
Before hafnium can be used as an explosive, energy has to be "pumped" into its nuclei. Just as the electrons in atoms can be excited when the atom absorbs a photon, hafnium nuclei can become excited by absorbing high-energy photons. The nuclei later return to their lowest energy states by emitting a gamma-ray photon.

Nuclear isomers were originally seen as a means of storing energy, but the possibility that the decay could be accelerated fired the interest of the Department of Defense, which is also investigating several other candidate materials such as thorium and niobium.

For the moment, the production method involves bombarding tantalum with protons, causing it to decay into hafnium-178m2. This requires a nuclear reactor or a particle accelerator, and only tiny amounts can be made.

Currently, the Air Force Research Laboratory at Kirtland, New Mexico, which is studying the phenomenon, gets its hafnium-178m2 from SRS Technologies, a research and development company in Huntsville, Alabama, which refines the hafnium from nuclear material left over from other experiments. The company is under contract to produce experimental sources of hafnium-178m2, but only in amounts less than one ten-thousandth of a gram.

Extremely powerful
But in future there may be cheaper ways to create the hafnium isomer - by bombarding ordinary hafnium with high-energy photons, for example. Hill Roberts, chief scientist at SRS, believes that technology to produce gram quantities will exist within five years.

The price is likely to be high - similar to enriched uranium, which costs thousands of dollars per kilogram - but unlike uranium it can be used in any quantity, as it does not require a critical mass to maintain the nuclear reaction.

The hafnium explosive could be extremely powerful. One gram of fully charged hafnium isomer could store more energy than 50 kilograms of TNT. Miniature missiles could be made with warheads that are far more powerful than existing conventional weapons, giving massively enhanced firepower to the armed forces using them.

The effect of a nuclear-isomer explosion would be to release high-energy gamma rays capable of killing any living thing in the immediate area. It would cause little fallout compared to a fission explosion, but any undetonated isomer would be dispersed as small radioactive particles, making it a somewhat "dirty" bomb. This material could cause long-term health problems for anybody who breathed it in.

Political fallout
There would also be political fallout. In the 1950s, the US backed away from developing nuclear mini-weapons such as the "Davy Crockett" nuclear bazooka that delivered an explosive punch of 18 tonnes of TNT. These weapons blurred the divide between the explosive power of nuclear and conventional weapons, and the government feared that military commanders would be more likely to use nuclear weapons that had a similar effect on the battlefield to conventional weapons.

By ensuring that the explosive power of a nuclear weapon was always far greater, it hoped that they could only be used in exceptional circumstance when a dramatic escalation of force was deemed necessary.

Then in 1994, the US confirmed this policy with the Spratt-Furse law, which prevents US military from developing mini-nukes of less than five kilotons. But the development of a new weapon that spans the gap between the explosive power of nuclear and conventional weapons would remove this restraint, giving commanders a way of increasing the amount of force they can use in a series of small steps. Nuclear-isomer weapons could be a major advantage to armies possessing them, leading to the possibility of an arms race.

André Gsponer, director of the Independent Scientific Research Institute in Geneva, believes that a nation without such weapons would not be able to fight one that possesses them. As a result, he says, "many countries which will not have access to these weapons will produce nuclear weapons as a deterrent", leading to a new cycle of proliferation.

The Department of Defense notes that there are serious technical issues to be overcome and that useful applications may be decades away. But its Militarily Critical Technologies List also says: "We should remember that less than six years intervened between the first scientific publication characterising the phenomenon of fission and the first use of a nuclear weapon in 1945."
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Beam Weapon Theory Summaried Reply with quote

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Veronica wrote:
The Beam Weapon Theory is the proposed hypothesis to explain the 'demise' of WTC1 & WTC2 on 9/11.

It is the only theory that has been put forward which attempts to explain all the verifiable forensic evidence, including:


Verifiable forensic evidence indeed...

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1) Demise of the Towers at speeds mathematically calculated to be faster than Free-Fall in a vacuum

I guess that'd be the similar to the mathematical calculations that allowed NIST to destroy the Towers when physical models wouldn't work?

Well I don't have any mathematical calculations, but my eyes and ears are in good condition, and there's always that seismic data. The towers fell notably slower than free-fall.

[quote2) Large 'bites' taken out of surrounding buildings (some almost completely circular),


Just out of interest, why does the shape matter? The towers were square, right? The buildings that have these mysterious holes were right under the thousands of tonnes of debris that flew from the towers as they collapsed. What's more likely: Military stooge configures beam weapon to 'small circle' aims it at building 6 and takes a shot for the hell of it... ooor... 100 tonne exoskeleton falls on building creating a hole...

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3) Holes 'bitten' into the streets


Perhaps the same things that bit holes into the surrounding buildings could have done this? Giant steel columns.

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4) 'Toasted' cars,


You mean, a burnt car? From a car park under the WTC?

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5) Pulverisation to fine (toxic) dust of the concrete, steel, asbestos, filing cabinets, computer desk & equipment, and much of the organic material (i.e. people) - of (what is probably) roughly 75% of each Tower


So the calculations can figure out the towers fell faster than free-fall speed, but mmm, I dunno.. Roughly 75% got vaporised.. sounds like these two things rely on each other to to me.

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6) BUT - following on from (5), above - PAPER is left undamaged, so as to flutter all over Manhattan.


Yes. Lots of paper, and you know what else? Small as they were, there was masses of identifiable parts to office furniture and equipment. If you are using a weapon to 'boil' or vaporise something, you don't get half a telephone and the other half is undamaged. The contents of the towers show no sign of being semi vaporised, which means their destruction must have been by sheer kinetic force. That means explosives or big heavy things crashing in to them. Probably both.

If the majority of the towers were vaporised, you'd infact get absolutely thousands of tables, chairs, phones, computers and so on falling to earth. Presumably landing on top of the debris, seeing as it fell faster than free-fall.

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7) Retained protection of the WTC Complex Bathtub.


I think this has been covered. The bathtub wouldnt matter to anyone, and it was severely damaged.

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If the Towers had been brought down by 'standard' Controlled Demolitions, then (it has been calculated that) the result would have registered 3.8 on the Richter Scale per Tower (based on the height and mass, etc. of each Tower). Even one collapse, at this level, would have decimated the Bathtub, and flooded Manhattan Island.


I'm guessing this calculation doesn't take into account what every CD expert this side of the Hudson has always said.

You cut the core columns first. Once that's done any explosion happening in the tower above will not be transmitted through the structure to the bedrock.

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Everyone knows that the higher something is dropped, the harder it hits, when it reaches the ground.

When the Kingdome was demolished, it registered 2.3 on the Richter Scale.

When WTC1 'disappeared of the face of Planet Earth' it registered 2.3 on the Richter Scale. A few minutes before that, WTC2 'disappeared', registering 2.1.


This isn't really anything to do with Beam Weapons unless thats your theory, it also supports CD. Also it's not noted how long the 'quake' was in both cases. This is required to give an accurate idea of the mass that has hit the ground.

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Now … you explain how to DISSOLVE (so that it simply blows away on the wind), THREE QUARTERS of a steel-framed high rise.


K. Explosives.

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Your explanation needs to take into account the circular holes in the buildings & streets, and the 'toasted' cars … some up to ½ mile away.


You needs to take into account explosives.

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The PAPER? Well, consider what happens to paper (and card, and plastic) when you put it into a Microwave Oven. The FOOD warms up (equivalent to 'people'), but the paper, card or plastic container is unaffected..


What happens to a brick?

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Maybe this also explains the 'jumpers'. Were they being cooked …from the inside (just like a Microwave Oven works)?


Lets get this straight. If this is a microwave weapon, it has to be tuned to a specific frequency and I highly doubt you'd get the desired effect with the standard 'excite water molecules' frequency.

In any case, what you are essentially talking about with microwave technology is actually cooking the structure of the towers. In a second. Thousands of tonnes of material in a second. ...and then go on to make some holes in the streets and fry some cars.

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The theory is that energy was directed at the Towers. This was chosen to 'resonate' on a molecular level with steel, concrete, and all the major materials (there is plenty of evidence for more than one beam).


No. There's plenty of CAUSE for more than one beam. So now you've got multiple beam weapons, using TWENTY ONE POINT FIVE GJIGGAWATTS each. One which is inexplicably tuned to vaporise asbestos.. Nice.

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Don't bother to ask "How much energy would that take". The answer is "Are the Towers still standing?"


Why shouldn't I ask how much it would take? OOOOh because that would mean they would also have had to invent a new form of power generation and storage! Genius!

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Don't bother to ask (as Steven "Kindly Face" Jones does) "Where did the energy come from?" Jones the liar knows full well where it comes from. Read up on Nikola Tesla. He undoubtedly worked on the very device that was used, during his time at Los Alamos. YOU CAN REST ASSURED THAT THE *MANHATTAN* PROJECT HAS COME A LONG WAY SINCE THE 1940s.


Unrelated (like your claim) but a friend of mine made a Tesla coil. It can generate sparks just over six inches and some freakin amazing plasma displays when it's operating at a really high frequency.

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Moderators will you please investigate this poster - he or she is referring to 21.5 gigawatts which any film buff will know was the power needed for time travel in "Back to The Future"
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well well well: when beliefs challenged, out comes the control-freakery from Mr "out there"

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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....Therefore large cast slabs (the concrete for the towers was poured on site) of weak concrete may have been expected to pulverise to dust upon collapse.


I don't believe it. How 'weak' is 'weak' concrete. Even the softest mixes that I have seen (used as mortar) set very firm when dry and will crack and break not turn to powder when dropped.

Here is a quote from the 'concrete centre' website on Patrick Browne's post:

"Lightweight aggregate concretes can however be used for structural applications, with strengths equivalent to normal weight concrete."

.......in other words, lightweight concretes are still incredibly strong under compression.....and it was compression forces that pulverised the concrete in the WTC's.

I am suspicious of these 'beam theory' developements. They will do our case no good at all.


Fair comment but I'm not sure if four inch floors would be classed as “structural applications”.

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""Lightweight aggregate concretes can however be used for structural applications, with strengths equivalent to normal weight concrete.""

Equivilent to what? Weight surely? All this means is two lumps that weigh the same are equaly strong. So.. a lump of 'lightweight' concrete, that weighs half as much is... half as strong? Shocked .
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hooray! Someone discussing points of evidence. Thanks!
Fallious wrote:

3. No evidence of such a device to destroy steel and concrete.


Yes - quite a good point - we haven't seen this sort of weaponry in action where it could to this to the steel. However, the smallness of the pile of debris seems to indicate the steel went somewhere. Some people seem to think it was blasted outside of the perimeter of the WTC area - I don't think the photographic evidence supports this idea very well and traditional demolition explosives likely wouldn't provide enough energy to do this - we saw some beams flying out, sure, but not the central core columns, I don't think.
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4. The demolition of Building 7 creates the same vast dust clouds as the twin towers, yet only a few basement areas were blown.


Hmmm - similar yes - the same? Hard to say for sure. Again comparing the sizes of the debris piles (as Judy does) makes an interesting comparison (as you know, both were steel framed buildings).

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5. No sign of vaporisation in surrounding structures or roads.

Judy talks of pulverisation (and even a coined word "dustification") rather than vapourisation.
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6. WTC External columns wedged in adjacent buildings. No sign of vaporisation.

see above
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7. Ear witness, and audio recordings of explosions as the buildings fell.
8. Eyewitness reports of explosions long before the buildings fell.

Judy and me does not say "all beam weapon no explosives" - if you read the paper, I believe she proposes a mixture of demolition explosives and some type of unconventional beam weapon technology.

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9. Collapse clearly initiated by cutting of core support columns.
10... And on and on and on...

Sure - as I said, we can still take the CD evidence as legit. The whole thrust of the Beam Weapon argument is that conventional CD doesn't account for the LEVEL of of destruction.
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The energy issue is, as mentioned above, as follows:
It would seem that conventional explosives cannot account for the level of pulverisation coupled with the surviving paper debris scattered around the streets (i.e. those 2 aspects of observed physical evidence).

e.g. lots of HOT explosives = lots of burning things (sorry). Paper burns very easily - so how have we got both dust AND lots of paper - why not dust and paper ash?


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Why do you say this? We can see very clearly that the pulling of building seven, a controlled demolition, caused exactly the same dust clouds as the Towers demolition. The only difference is, there were only explosives in the foundations of B7, whereas the towers had them throughout.


I mentioned the dust clouds above. I believe one of the clips of WTC7 shows explosives near the top of WTC 7 (this is in Steve Jones Feb 2006 presentation for example) so WTC 7 also had explosives there too - not just in the basement.

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To suggest that paper being blown away from an explosion is somehow suspicious...


Is it? Well, what I meant was this:


Now, that said, it could be that the paper has travelled from the WTC 7 demolition - because I am not sure whether the above picture was taken before or after WTC 7 went down.

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Where did the seismic signature go? These are basic questions (actually not that hard to phrase, but very hard to answer).


There's clear seismic data recordings of the towers falling.


Sorry - I didn't express this very well. WTC demolitions' seismic signatures were very small compared to what they should have been (see um Judy's paper again)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And just remembering, I never did get any response from veronica to these Q's I posed here:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=5344&start=0&postday s=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

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Veronica, here's a genuine question that I wonder if you can help me with:

It seems to me common sense that if "no planes: video fakery" is correct, then it is not some images that have to be faked, but every single peice of footage shot from any angle by anyone: there cannot be any genuine footage anywhere if "a fake in the image" holds water

How can no planes theory succesfully debunk every single image that exists? Do you state that there are no genuine images anywhere?

If not, the only alternative is "an image of a fake": ergo genuine footage of a hologram plane

Or//

That real Planes hit the towers

I am naturally wary of this scenario becuase it also seems to me that, just as "No Planes" theorists can look at anomalous footage and say "Hey look! this peice of footage shows trickery!", by the exact same methods genuine footage could be doctored to make it appear fake: if not all images can be shown to be fake, then this must be the more likely explanation, surely?


It would be good to get some resolution on these before moving on to "Beam Weapons"

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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More and more people are accepting that conventional CD of the whole building is no longer plausible


How many people are you talking about here?

THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote:
however as you can see from the last couple of posters some are still in denial.


So you won't answer my questions I originally posted?

THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote:

Don't let them put you off - they still believe that planes can cut through buildings like a knife through butter


Why not?
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What is the catastrophic failure threshold of the Bathtub?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Beam Weapon Theory Summaried Reply with quote

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Moderators will you please investigate this poster - he or she is referring to 21.5 gigawatts which any film buff will know was the power needed for time travel in "Back to The Future"


Actually the amount of power needed for time travel in Back to The Future was 1.21 gigawatts. But other than that your post was as thoroughly researched and as factual as always.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Beam Weapon Theory Summaried Reply with quote

Briaman wrote:
THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote:

Moderators will you please investigate this poster - he or she is referring to 21.5 gigawatts which any film buff will know was the power needed for time travel in "Back to The Future"


Actually the amount of power needed for time travel in Back to The Future was 1.21 gigawatts. But other than that your post was as thoroughly researched and as factual as always.

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Quite, and besides a GJIGGAWATT is significantly more than a Giggawatt. Just ask professor Frink.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:31 am    Post subject: Re: Beam Weapon Theory Summaried Reply with quote

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Andrew: I've got something special for you in the pipeline.. Well moderately special. But the my picture tubes are closing down, so i'll do some more when I boot up in the morning.


Cool - I hope I can get to it tomorrow... I'm up too late again tonight (as usual).

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:34 am    Post subject: Re: Beam Weapon Theory Summaried Reply with quote

Briaman wrote:
THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote:

Moderators will you please investigate this poster - he or she is referring to 21.5 gigawatts which any film buff will know was the power needed for time travel in "Back to The Future"


Actually the amount of power needed for time travel in Back to The Future was 1.21 gigawatts. But other than that your post was as thoroughly researched and as factual as always.

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I beg to differ

Student Leadership asked students for advice they'd give new leaders. What about asking InterVarsity staff similar questions? We did. And they responded somewhat differently.
In the film Back to the Future, Doc Brown gives some pretty clear answers to the problems at hand. He knows that everything will be fine if he and Marty McFly can just get 21.5 gigawatts of power to hit the car's power converter at 88 mph on Saturday at 10:04 p.m. Staff, on the other hand, are quick to point out that every year, every chapter, every school and every student is different. Rather than give concrete answers, staff often act as consultants, guiding you to ask the right questions. In real life, the answers are closer to Doc Green's in our story: "I don't know, Mark. You'll have to trust God more than ever before."

Here are some questions that came from reflections on the start of the school year by InterVarsityr staff workers Mack Stiles and Mark Lyons:


What spiritual shape did the summer leave you in? This is a good question to ask again several weeks into the school year.

How "transparent" is your fellowship? Can leaders admit they have struggles? How could you encourage such an atmosphere?

Do you function with a sense that you and your fellow leaders are in partnership together? You're really doing your Father's business as you minister on campus. How can this greater reality overcome earthly frustrations and bring joy?

Are you letting the truth of the gospel affect you deeply? Do you sense God's grace and forgiveness?

What's motivating you right now? Are you more concerned about fellow students' needs or about how well you appear to be succeeding as a leader?

Are you spending extended time in prayer and reading God's Word? Are you focused on God or caught up with your own struggles?

In what ways could a leadership retreat or other time out help you focus on Jesus more and set life's distractions aside?

If some of your chapter's leaders are already feeling overwhelmed, how might other chapter leaders or staff come alongside to support them?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Please stop posting bollox. Now I know one person's 'bollox' is another person's truth but in my eyes, posting recipes and the sort of off topic drivel above, you give a very good impression of someone spamming the forum.

Please desist
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Please stop posting bollox. Now I know one person's 'bollox' is another person's truth but in my eyes, posting recipes and the sort of off topic drivel above, you give a very good impression of someone spamming the forum.

Please desist


The recipes were a polite way of saying Rubbish

Testicle recipe - Boll ocks
Pea Suop - Taking The Piss

You have a big problem on this site with Walter Mitty's and the like - if people persist in posting rubbish - are we to let it go unchallenged?

You seem to think it's ok

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