Nov'06 Litvinenko Polonium assassin CIAs Alexander Goldfarb?

[Pincher]

Nov06 Did polonium spy Litvinenko reveal Putin false flags?

An ex FSB agent gags on a side dish of Thalium in a London sushi bar after an old mate comes over from Italy with supposedly 'new' info on the assassination of Russian journalist Anna Politovskaya that could have been emailed.

Cui bono?

Well it's hardly Putin. Every Russian expat with access to the media has been banging on about Anna for the past four weeks. Just when the murder was beginning to fade from from the popular goldfish consciousness the whole busines is dredged up again (assuming of course that it was an FSB agent who was waiting for her in the stairwell on that fateful night). And to make matters worse Putin's now got his very own Russophobic celebrity spook who's going to be chatshow couch fodder in 'zee vest' for months to come.

Of course NOBODY in 'zee vest' remembers the ashen faced Viktor Yushenko's minor bout of indigestion after unwisely going for tthe chef's special (soup du dioxin) at a well known Kiev restaurant about a year ago. Now who, just who, might be interested in evoking such a memory?

MI5 or MI6?

[jomper]

I hope he does indeed survive as you rather casually seem to assume he will.

Litvinenko of course is most famous for writing a book accusing the secret service of blowing up towers full of people and blaming it on radical Islamists in order to mobilise public support for a war against Muslims.

Crazy theory eh? It's been mentioned rather less than the fact he was investigating the death of Anna Politkovskaya.

[Roger the Horse]

The silence on the news about his book about the Moscow apartment bombings has been deafening. Could be coincidence but the other night on Channel 4 news as soon as the co-author of the book mentioned it John Snow suddenly cut in with 'we'll have to leave it there'. Maybe it wouldn't be good for certain interests to have open discussions of false flag ops and self inflicted wounds in the mainstream media? Nah. I'm just being paranoid!

[TonyGosling]

Did poisoned spy Litvinenko reveal Putin false flag ops?

[Echo]

interesting ive been following the story on tv, but never knew about that book . which looks a pretty good read btw.

[James C]

They were discussing this on Radio 2 on Jeremy Vine's show, Monday lunchtime. I was absolutely astounded however when Jeremy Vine actually read out one persons email which said.

"Replace Putin with Bush
Apartment blocks with the Twin Towers
Chechnya for Iraq
and what have you got.....?"

Either Jeremy Vine hadn't read the email properly or he read it out because he agreed with it in someway.

[Pincher]

[Pincher]

I must confess that I began to have my doubts about which 'dark forces' may have been responsible for the death of former FSB spook, Alexander Litvinenko.

On the one side you have the offical FSB, so-called 'rogue elements' within it and gangsters associated with those oligarchs still loyal to the Putin regime. And on the other you have the ex pat anti Putin oligarchs and their CIA, MI5/6 and other foreign secret service sponsors.

So it's worthwhile going over the events (as they have been reported) in this real life John Le Carre intrigue...

The media broke the story on Saturday 18th November that Alexander Litvinenko, ex FSB agent, had been admitted to University College Hospital as a victim of poisoning.

It was reported that he was first admitted to Barnet Hospital on Nov 2nd (subsequently revised) the day after meeting Mario Scaramella in a Japanese restaurant. Litvinenko reported Scaramella as being very nervous, handing him documents that could just as easily have been emailed.

Litvinenko was transferred to Univeristy College Hospital the day after toxicology tests at Guys indicated Thallium poisoning (Thursday 16th Nov).

By the 19th November reports were circulating of another meeting that Litvinenko had had with a former KGB agent called Lugovoy and an un-named former associate of Boris Beresovski immediately prior to his lunch with Scaramella.

Professor Tony Henry, toxicologist, gave Litvinenko a 50/50 chance of survival saying that the next MONTH would be critical. There was also speculation that other poisons may have been administered because of damage to his bone marrow.

On Monday 20th November it was reported that Litvinenko had been moved the previous day into a critical care unit at UCL under armed guard. Marina Litvinenko complained about medics and police who had refused to take seriously her and her husband's claim that he had been poisoned.

On Tuesday 21st November recent TV footage of Mario Scaramella (supposedly in hiding fearing for his life) in Italy are shown around the world. The 'Professor' is supposedly an expert on KGB terror. Some reports suggest that he has links both to the Italian security services and organized crime.

Also on this day a new theory about the poisoning material appears. At first Thallium (Sulphate) was the suspected agent - this became Radioactive Thallium. Later this changes to 'unknown substances.'

Alexander Litvinenko is reported as dying on Thurday 23rd November @ 21.23.

Points to ponder -

1) Litvinenko's blood serum test on the 16th November proved positive for thallium. Why was this result contradicted by two differing medical opinions 5 days later?

2) Professor Tony Henry suggested on Saturday 18th that Litvinenko had a month's life expectancy and thereafter a 50/50 chance of survival yet Litvinenko was dead within a week.

3) Litvinenko voiced clear suspicions about Mario Scaramella yet the media en masse spread suspicion about Lugovoy and an unknown accomplice. Scaramella supposedly in 'fear for his life' is filmed and videoed openly meeting and greeting in Italy.

And finally a little information about thallium...

It used to be the 'poisoner's poison' as it is odourless, colourless and highly toxic. That was until the 1960's when a modified version of a blue pigment used in paint was first used clinically as an antidote. Its called Prussian Blue or PB.

Since 2003 an FDA approved prescription drug called Radiogardase (based on PB) has become the antidote of choice to thallium AND radioactive thallium (possibly explains why the spooks, sorry media, revised their radioactive theory to 'unknown substances').

Honest, this is the last bit...

I was within FOUR hours of possibly being able to prove which 'dark force' was behind the hit. I checked out 'thallium' on Wikipedia at approximately 1.15am this morning. Surprisingly, the entry included a reference to Litvinenko's death.

Can't help wondering about the exact time that snippet was added...

[conspiracy analyst]

didn't get its way at the Asia Summit on the nuclear weapons issue. Hence it started with its loyal lapdog stories about poisons and russian spies.

Whilst I saw mention of the apartment bombings in Moscow the reason they aren't given too much emphasis on the issue is the fact that if they do the Russians will reply with info about 9/11.

Their largest political party the old communist party still covers the issue daily on its web forum

http://engforum.pravda.ru/

[flamesong]

I'm as intrigued as anybody about this but I think that sometimes suspiscious activity can be seen where there is none.

[Pincher]

[moeen yaseen]

I salute a Russian hero fallen in the GWOT. The 9/11 Truth activists must not be blinded to the fact that false flag terrorism is NOT an Anglosaxon monopoly. This point was NOT accepted by one 9/11 truth activist in London and reflects poor research and judgement to say the least and arrogance- a bit more humbleness in approach is required.
Indeed the Moscow bombings in 1999 predate 9/11 in the USA and the correlationship needs further investigation. As events in Moscow in 1999 led to a new invasion in Chechnya(Caucasas) whilst events in
New York/Washington led to an invasion of Afghanistan. Both regions at centre stage of the geopolitical and resource wars.


http://www.gv2000.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=238

[spiv]

As I watched, both yesterday and this morning, the news following Litvinenko’s death, I have been struck by the 'oddities' which seem to emanate from the various news reports. For instance, doctors were stating just before he died that they were having troubles identifying any poisons used and why he had been so ill for the three weeks or so.

The morning after his death there are police splashed all over our TV screens taking away boxes of 'radioactive' materials from the hospital, sushi bar, his home etc etc. Funny how doctors had such a struggle identifying the 'poison', yet within hours of his death, suddenly "it was Polonium", and now the police have rushed in to 'protect' everyone. All very odd!!!

Even stranger in all this is the fact that, a couple of weeks ago and buried deep within the bowels of certain news sites (Sky news being one), Al-Qaeda have been looking for nuclear materials.

See earlier discussion on this forum at:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=5437&highlight=

So, knowing the patterns of the alarmist forces and policies of our Governments, what's the betting a 'link' will be found over the next few days between this incident and 'terrorism'!!

Just to scare us all further into submission.

[flamesong]

What I find quite risible is the way that COBRA have asked the Kremlin for their assistance! In a police investigation, 'helping with enquiries' is a euphemism for 'chief suspect'. When Litvinenko points his finger at the Kremlin in his death bed statement, Putin denies any involvement and the Kremlin is asked for help, can we expect a GWB, 'let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracie theories' type response from the investigators?

[Mark Gobell]

http://www.wordblog.co.uk/2006/11/24/pr-involvement-in-alexander-litvi nenkos-poisoning-story-revealed/

PR involvement in Alexander Litvinenko's 'poisoning' story revealed
24th November 2006

As if the murky world of espionage had not already obscured the
story of the death of Alexander Litvinenko enough, it now seems that
powerful PR forces have been at work too.

The Guardian reported today that a company run by Lord Bell of
Belgravia, who as Tim Bell was behind the advertising campaigns which
helped the Tories to power in 1972, distributed the pictures of Mr
Litvinenko in hospital and handled media enquiries.

Lord Bell's Bell Pottinger Communications clients include Boris
Berezovsky, the Russian oligarch, who was a friend and employer of Mr
Litvinenko.

The Evening Standard's This is London website added that Moscow has
also employed a powerful PR consultancy, to counter claims from
Berzovsky. It reports: "The Russian government has signed a
multi-million pound contract with the American PR firm, Ketchum. They
are using two heavyweights in London: Tim Allen, a former Downing
Street spin doctor, and Angus Roxburgh, a former BBC correspondent in
Moscow."

[paul wright]

Cui bono? Not Putin ,not the Russians. Modern political assassinations by intelligence agencies are made to look like accidents or suicides, not like FSB murders, unless by agencies looking to discredit the Russians

Putin had an oil oligarch arrested some time ago and STOLE all his oil fields by nationalizing them without compensation. There are certain forces in Britain who were outaged by this because this oil oligarch was their man in Russia......

This could be payback time to discredit Putin internationally because these same forces want to destabilize Russia by 'encouraging' terrorist outrages that will force Putin to resign because he is made to look both weak and a murderer so that they can get a puppet who is not nationalistic and whom they can control in order to get their hands on Russia's oil resources.

[conspiracy analyst]

in this world of geopolitics where the Yanks position is weakening vis a vis NATO, nuclear weapons in N. Korea, Iraq, WTO etc that this man is dead. Or that he ever was ill.

When a story has changed so many times which part of it is real and which imagined?

A false flag op could imply stagemanagement from beginning to end...

[mkpdavies]

Take this as you will. UKIP had been talking to this guy for some time. There is some clips here

http://www.ukip.org/ukip_news/gen12.php?t=1&id=2749

[jomper]

[suspecta]

What about the possibility of Mossad involvement? To get the British government (and public opinion) to distance itself from Russia in the run-up to a US/Israel British-supported attack on Iran - an attack Russia is likely to oppose?

But in the end, god knows who did it. Somebody connected to the murky world of intelligence, that's for sure.

Suspecta

[suspecta]

If I were a Muslim I'd be heaving a temporary sigh of relief at all the media attention on Russian and Irish terrorism in the news over the last few days. A temporary reprieve only, one fears.

Suspecta

[Pincher]

Yes, there are some very odd things indeed about the 'investigation' (if not the reporting) of the death of Alexander Litvinenko. I have tried to piece everything together and if we can rely upon the currently agreed accounts of Litvinenko's movements prior to being admitted to Barnet General I would say that the prime suspect is 'Professore' (Ha! Ha!) Mario Scaramella and that the assassination was a CIA, MI6 & SISDE (Italian secret service) 'false flag' operation.

The Murdoch press are particularly obsessed with the assassination and got the polonium scoop (which they had been sitting on for several days if Prof. Tony Henry's remarks are anything to go by - now mysteriously 'retired' from the case after his announcement of the thallium positive at Guys Hospital on the 16th November). Friday's Sun not only identified the substance but said that it had been sprayed on Litvinenko's sushi at Itsu's. Velly intellesting...

This revelation would appear to rule out fellow ex FSB agent Lugovoy and friends who met Litvinenko in the Pine Bar at The Millenium Hotel shortly after he met Scaramella at Itsu's. And this is where the Murdoch press's reportage becomes rather confusing.

So far no one, and certainly not Litvinenko himself, has mentioned the presence of anyone else at his meeting with Scaramella. And whilst the Murdoch press allude to the possibility that Scaramella has Mafia and KGB connections they go out of their way to exhonerate rather than incriminate him (by constantly referring to the well worn cliche that he too was on the KGB hit list).

Instead The Sunday Times fingers a certain Viktor Kirov, an SVR agent, (whom Litvinenko stated had been 'assigned' to his case) and The News of the World singles out for attention a Spetsnaz vet whose middle name is 'Igor' (I know, it gets more like John Le Carre by the day). However, neither organ suggests that either of them were diners or were posing as sushi chefs at Itsu's on the fateful day. But neither paper resiles from the Sun's claim that that was where Litvinenko was poisoned with polonium 210. Something's got to give...

Step forward the Evening Standard. Instead of spreading rumours, their hacks went after Scaramella in Italy and there they found a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. None of the universities listed on his resume (amongst them Bogota, Greenwich & Stanford) had any record of him. The Environmental Crime Prevention Programme agency he represents is unknown to similar organisations such as Greenpeace, has a defunct website and a Californian academic as a general secretary who is curiously incommunicado.

Scaramella has links to Berlusconi and 'Forza Italia' and serves on the Italian Mitrokhin Commission. He claims credit for saving the life of the chairman (Senator Paolo Guzzanti) of the latter (acting on a tip off from Litvinenko) and of foiling a Ukranian/Mafia uranium smuggling operation.

The real clue to Scaramella's actual status though is that amongst his supposed employers who either refused or could not properly vouch for him was his current one - The Univeristy of Naples. The following remarks by one of his 'colleagues' is intriguing:

And Dr Maria Scaramella, a namesake at the university, said: "I used to get all this post for him but I could never actually find him. He was supposed to have an office on the third floor but I was never able to find it. He was supposed to have some sort of European funding for research but I never knew exactly what."

Any amateur spookwatcher knows that the only organisation that can provide that kind of high profile cover is a domestic intelligence agency. Scaramella is clearly working for SISDE. It is worth noting that after MI5/6 SISDE is the European inteligence agency closest to the CIA.

Assuming that all of this business is not a colossal fabrication (and that there never was an ex FSB agent called Litvinenko!) everything we know/don't know about Scaramella suggests that he is a specialist black ops spook (too much of a mean looking baastard for an academic that's for sure!).

As soon as these and other inconsistencies start to be picked over in the media expect this story to quietly fade away...

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23375897-details/Exclusive% 3A+Sushi+bar+man+is+nuclear+waste+expert/article.do

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/uk/

[chek]

What I find most mysterious is why should such a bizarre hi-tech means used at all?
Even if the hit was meant to become public knowledge as a 'message', it still seems one of the most drawn out and long-winded assassinations since Georgi Markov's.

[Mark Gobell]

Additionally the "previously unaware" and indeed the entire world now know of Litvinenko's book "Blowing Up Russia" containing his allegations that the Russian FSB, rather than Chechen terrorists went around Moscow in 1999 planting bombs in apartment blocks and murdering their own innocent citizens and were inside the Moscow theatre during the siege by alleged Checen terrorists in 2002.

You can listen again to Radio 4's Today Programme on Litvinenko, broadcast on September 15th 2004 on Litvinenko's claims.

[scubadiver]

Nafeez explains it quite well in "The War on Freedom" about the Russians and the Chechens.

Two KGB agents were caught red-handed with explosives in an apartment block about to blow the place up.

[Pincher]

[ian neal]

[Pincher]

Murdoch Media are still running with the Litvinenko poisoning and certain things seem to be crystallising.

1) Yesterday's Times let slip that Litvinenko tested positive for polonium 210 whilst at Barnet General. The 'cover story' bought by the media was that he had only tested positive three hours before his death on Thursday 23rd November - at least one week later.

2) Professore Mario Scaramella has returned to the UK to talk to Scotland Yard about his meeting with Litvinenko. The Yard say that he is not under arrest and is being interviewed only as a witness. But he is being held in a secure location. Exactly who or what is he afraid of?

3) The Times also recently gave a different itinerary for Litvinenko on the possible day of the attack. Up until Monday, the media had been reporting that he had visited The Millennium Hotel BEFORE he went to Itsu. The Times indicated it had been the other way round and that he had arrived at the hotel at about 4.00pm. If this account is accurate then this would appear to rule out the 'mysterious' Russian suspects in the hotel bar.

4) Today's Sun reports that Litvinenko whilst on his death bed confided to his publishing collaborator, Pal Yuri Felshtinsk, his suspicions about Scaramella because of his nervous behaviour at the restauarant. Felshtinski is quoted as saying that Scaramella is an FSB agent. I wonder if he really believes that?

Although this black op has achieved some of its objectives one gets the feeling Scaramella has bungled it. Needless to say if his headless corpse is fished out of the Thames in the next few months his death would be blamed on Putin or FSB/SVR renegades by the Western media.

But why would Moscow allow one of its agents to return to the scene of the crime and both incriminate himself and implicate them?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006550459,00.html

[spiv]

Further to my post above, I note now that the "Authorities" seem to be finding traces of radioactivity everywhere - latest seems to be on three BA planes. None of this makes any sense, unless you start to view it as being a further cog in the great deception to scare the hell out of all of us, so we will give up further our rights and freedoms in order that the "State" can leap in to protect us.

I see the link to terrorism, which I predicted above, drawing ever closer. It is highly possible, in my own opinion, that because sheeple are becoming more disbelieving of the conventional "terrorist scare" tactics, our Intelligence services and politicians have moved the scenario along a little.

Beggars belief that we live in a so called free democratic western society, doesn't it??

[conspiracy analyst]

Britain has a history of cold-war paranoia of Russians 'under every bed' and Russia being on the verge of invading Britain it is ironic that once the invasion occurred with millions of people from E Europe, not much was actually ...said.

Instead in order to justify the fake 'war on terror' we had scare stories against every muslim, in particular after the dubious 7/7 bombings. Having created social and cultural polarisation with hundreds of thousands of muslims, they now seem to be turning their attention to the old and trusted enemy, Russia.

If somene can keep up with the all the variations and changes of the story which seems to get more ludicrous as days go by (Xmas is coming a new plane scare must occur!) this whole show is turning into a farce...