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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:55 pm    Post subject: Two questions for the critics.... Reply with quote

If the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 was a response to the country hiding Osama Bin Laden despite his so called 'complicity' with 9/11, then how come it was planned before September 11th, 2001.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4585010/

Secondly, Im very concerned about the meeting between the intelligence chairmen of the House and the Senate with Mahmoud Ahmed ( the alleged financier of Mohammad Atta) on the morning of September 11th. They were taking a cosy breakfast in Capitol Hill. I look forward to you attempting to whitewash this fact too.

I will let Professsor Michel Chussodovsky fill you in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=360fCOvFLaU

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Two questions for the critics.... Reply with quote

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If the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 was a response to the country hiding Osama Bin Laden despite his so called 'complicity' with 9/11, then how come it was planned before September 11th, 2001.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4585010/


Because Bin Laden had been wanted in relation to the bombing of the USS Cole, and US embassies around the world.

Secondly, Im very concerned about the meeting between the intelligence chairmen of the House and the Senate with Mahmoud Ahmed ( the alleged financier of Mohammad Atta) on the morning of September 11th. They were taking a cosy breakfast in Capitol Hill. I look forward to you attempting to whitewash this fact too.

I will let Professsor Michel Chussodovsky fill you in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=360fCOvFLaU[/quote]

Because he was director of Pakistan's intelligence service, Pakistan is next to Afghanistan and so instrumental in acting against the Taliban for question 1 above?

For a movement that asks so many questions, you have very few answers of your own.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if OBL hadn't been 'most wanted' militaries have plans for all sorts of senarios that will never happen. I expect the US have a plan for invading France (but not one for the aftermath). So having a plan for invading Afghanistan before it was needed shouldn't come as a surprise.

Ask your resident soldiers, (if I recall) Justin and Flamesong.

If Mahmoud Ahmed (the alleged financier of Mohammad Atta) was having breakfast in Washington on 9/11 so what? He's the alleged financer of Atta. Even if Ahmed turns out to be a bad egg, why wouldn't the head spook from a friendly nation have breakfast with big cheese?

Whitewash enough? :

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So your telling us the US was going to wage war on Afghanistan anyway then Pixels?

Why then was Bin Laden subsequently allowed to escape Tora Bora into Pakistan at the height of the campaign?

And why did the US not accept the Taliban's offer to hand Bin Laden over if it could show he had a connection to 9/11

Could it be...that he DIDNT have a connection to 9/11?

But that would point to...an inside job!

And the US lying to the public through its teeth about the reasons for the War...

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So your telling us the US was going to wage war on Afghanistan anyway then Pixels?

Why then was Bin Laden subsequently allowed to escape Tora Bora into Pakistan at the height of the campaign?

And why did the US not accept the Taliban's offer to hand Bin Laden over if it could show he had a connection to 9/11

Could it be...that he DIDNT have a connection to 9/11?

But that would point to...an inside job!

And the US lying to the public through its teeth about the reasons for the War...


You have read the 9/11 commission report haven't you? It's all well documented in there. It's not a great secret or anything.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to hit the research Pixels: the 9/11 commission is horribly pawned

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VIDEO: 911 Press for Truth: MUST SEE

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&q=press+fo r+truth

This film covers the story of the Jersey Girls, four 911 widows who were instrumental in getting the 911 commission set up in the first place

It’s a terrible saga of Whitewash and cover-up, and shows how blatantly the NeoCons have lied to the American people again and again and again

Their website is:

http://www.911pressfortruth.com/




No critic on this site has been able to refute ANY of this information, so there's a challenge for you, might help you get your edge back after the whole "columns" thing....

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John White wrote:
You need to hit the research Pixels: the 9/11 commission is horribly pawned

Quote:
VIDEO: 911 Press for Truth: MUST SEE

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&q=press+fo r+truth

This film covers the story of the Jersey Girls, four 911 widows who were instrumental in getting the 911 commission set up in the first place

It’s a terrible saga of Whitewash and cover-up, and shows how blatantly the NeoCons have lied to the American people again and again and again

Their website is:

http://www.911pressfortruth.com/




No critic on this site has been able to refute ANY of this information, so there's a challenge for you, might help you get your edge back after the whole "columns" thing....


Why are you changing the subject?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Make Pakistan look bad.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny Pixels wrote:
John White wrote:
You need to hit the research Pixels: the 9/11 commission is horribly pawned

Quote:
VIDEO: 911 Press for Truth: MUST SEE

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&q=press+fo r+truth

This film covers the story of the Jersey Girls, four 911 widows who were instrumental in getting the 911 commission set up in the first place

It’s a terrible saga of Whitewash and cover-up, and shows how blatantly the NeoCons have lied to the American people again and again and again

Their website is:

http://www.911pressfortruth.com/




No critic on this site has been able to refute ANY of this information, so there's a challenge for you, might help you get your edge back after the whole "columns" thing....


Why are you changing the subject?


IF you had done the research, you would know I am NOT changing the subject Wink

First class self-owning Pixels! Very Happy

"Press for Truth" is entirely pertinant to the issues of this thread: The film is 1 hour 20 so it wont put you out to badly to get informed, or you could just read the articles on the linked site

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why then was Bin Laden subsequently allowed to escape Tora Bora into Pakistan at the height of the campaign?...


"allowed" might be a bit of an exaggeration. Tora Bora is bordered on one side by Pakistan, and sending US forces into Pakistan to prevent OBL getting away would be a move so politically dramatic that even his possible escape might pale into insignificance.
Could it even be that an OBL on the loose, even for years, might be a very useful political pawn? A useful tool in the hands of a cynically neocon US administration suddenly handed a "justification" for its simmering agenda? Many more fat fish to fry than just getting revenge on OBL, eh what?

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....And the US lying to the public through its teeth about the reasons for the War...


No argument there.

None of which has the slightest connection with a supposed conspiracy to plant never-used-before-in-CD-thermate in WTC1+2 or CD'ing WTC7 for no even remotely plausible reason. That's the catch.

A bunch of pissed-off Moslem extremists did it.

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John White wrote:
Johnny Pixels wrote:
John White wrote:
You need to hit the research Pixels: the 9/11 commission is horribly pawned

Quote:
VIDEO: 911 Press for Truth: MUST SEE

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&q=press+fo r+truth

This film covers the story of the Jersey Girls, four 911 widows who were instrumental in getting the 911 commission set up in the first place

It’s a terrible saga of Whitewash and cover-up, and shows how blatantly the NeoCons have lied to the American people again and again and again

Their website is:

http://www.911pressfortruth.com/




No critic on this site has been able to refute ANY of this information, so there's a challenge for you, might help you get your edge back after the whole "columns" thing....


Why are you changing the subject?


IF you had done the research, you would know I am NOT changing the subject Wink

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"Press for Truth" is entirely pertinant to the issues of this thread: The film is 1 hour 20 so it wont put you out to badly to get informed, or you could just read the articles on the linked site


What are you talking about?

Prole Art Threat was making out that planning for strikes in Afghanistan was some kind of secret thing that had been going on since before 9/11. I pointed out that it wasn't a secret, it's in the 9/11 commission report.

Then you start going off about how the 9/11 report is biased and trying to sell me press for truth.

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It's very simple Pixels, and your incomprehension is simply showing your not properly informed on the subject matter

In suggesting that Afghanistan was going to happen to "get" Bin Laden anyway, whilst simultaneously having to square that with Bin Laden being allowed to escape at the height of the campaign, you are actually saying far more than you know!

As far as "selling" you Press for Truth is concerned, of course not, its free to access, but if you refuse to choose to take on the information, its hardly my problem, though interestingly revealing of the inner world that is your mind Cool

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The US military had OBL in their sights 11 times. Each time CIA gave them a no-go order, and told them to stand down and let him slip through their fingers.

White wash please.

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Whether there was a conspiracy or not, the invasion of Afghanistan on the excuse of 911 was an outrage. You do not invade (wreck/kill civilians etc) a country to get hold of a terrorist, particularly when the ruling regime of that country has offered to hand them over on the production of hard evidence (an entirely reasonable position no matter how deplorable the regime). As Chomsky pointed out, on that logic Britain had the right (practicality aside) to attack America over internal US elements who backed the IRA. There are stacks of other examples - half the world should be at war with the United States if this were a general principle.
It's well documented, as critics concede, that an invasion (though I think wasn't it strikes that were talked about in the commission report? I can't remember and can't be arsed to look) was on the cards anyway. To think that was merely to get Bin Ladin (who Bush now says he's not that arsed about catching (!?)) is just naive.
It doesn't prove the CT, but I can't see how critics can deny they wanted into Afghanistan anyway (which does make the whole 911 thing 'fishy'). Bin Ladin was just an excuse. I mean, do you really think they'd invade just over Bin Ladin?! Come on!!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mahmoud Ahmed had wired Atta $100.000 a short time before the attacks.

A Political Deception - 4 mins 10 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=360fCOvFLaU


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Mahmoud Ahmed had wired Atta $100.000 a short time before the attacks.

A Political Deception - 4 mins 10 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=360fCOvFLaU


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Allegedly, and according to Indian Intelligence. If you hadn't noticed, India and Pakistan aren't the best of friends.

If it was shown to be true, then it is still not proof of an inside job.

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Johnny Pixels wrote:
prole art threat wrote:
Mahmoud Ahmed had wired Atta $100.000 a short time before the attacks.

A Political Deception - 4 mins 10 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=360fCOvFLaU


Listen carefully to this and feed your head.


Allegedly, and according to Indian Intelligence. If you hadn't noticed, India and Pakistan aren't the best of friends.

If it was shown to be true, then it is still not proof of an inside job.


So, why did agents of Pakistan Intelligence wire Mohammad Atta $100.000 dollars just before 9/11? And then the financier meets up with two US intelligence officials on the morning of September 11th, 2001. Are you seriously saying that you believe nothing sinister is going on here and that it is yet just another of hundreds of coincidences? Are you. Are you really that gullible to not see something of incredible note here?? Or are you just being wilfully blind??

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prole art threat wrote:
Johnny Pixels wrote:
prole art threat wrote:
Mahmoud Ahmed had wired Atta $100.000 a short time before the attacks.

A Political Deception - 4 mins 10 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=360fCOvFLaU


Listen carefully to this and feed your head.


Allegedly, and according to Indian Intelligence. If you hadn't noticed, India and Pakistan aren't the best of friends.

If it was shown to be true, then it is still not proof of an inside job.


So, why did agents of Pakistan Intelligence wire Mohammad Atta $100.000 dollars just before 9/11? And then the financier meets up with two US intelligence officials on the morning of September 11th, 2001. Are you seriously saying that you believe nothing sinister is going on here and that it is yet just another of hundreds of coincidences? Are you. Are you really that gullible to not see something of incredible note here?? Or are you just being wilfully blind??


I think you're being wilfully blind. There is no proof of these activities, that's why they are alleged. Indian intelligence claim the head of ISI was involved, but no-one has proved this. The money was transferred, but there is no link to Pakistan intelligence.

There is nothing suspicious about the head of Pakistan intelligence meeting with other intelligence people, that's what intelligence agencies do, they talk to each other. They were discussing the Taliban.

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Johnny Pixels wrote:
prole art threat wrote:
Johnny Pixels wrote:
prole art threat wrote:
Mahmoud Ahmed had wired Atta $100.000 a short time before the attacks.

A Political Deception - 4 mins 10 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=360fCOvFLaU


Listen carefully to this and feed your head.


Allegedly, and according to Indian Intelligence. If you hadn't noticed, India and Pakistan aren't the best of friends.

If it was shown to be true, then it is still not proof of an inside job.


So, why did agents of Pakistan Intelligence wire Mohammad Atta $100.000 dollars just before 9/11? And then the financier meets up with two US intelligence officials on the morning of September 11th, 2001. Are you seriously saying that you believe nothing sinister is going on here and that it is yet just another of hundreds of coincidences? Are you. Are you really that gullible to not see something of incredible note here?? Or are you just being wilfully blind??


I think you're being wilfully blind. There is no proof of these activities, that's why they are alleged. Indian intelligence claim the head of ISI was involved, but no-one has proved this. The money was transferred, but there is no link to Pakistan intelligence.

There is nothing suspicious about the head of Pakistan intelligence meeting with other intelligence people, that's what intelligence agencies do, they talk to each other. They were discussing the Taliban.


Hahaha. Laughing I really cannot believe you are this gullible.

Here, take a look at this article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1266317,00.html

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Hahaha. I really cannot believe youre this gullible.

Here, take a look at this article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1266317,00.html


That's from the comment section, it's not news, or necessarily factual.

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Hahaha. I really cannot believe youre this gullible.

Here, take a look at this article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1266317,00.html


That's from the comment section, it's not news, or necessarily factual.


I love the way you critics cling on to the most nonsensical rubbish pertaining to 9/11 events and then when presented with 'evidence' which that article suggests, you dismiss it and come out with something lame like...
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That's from the comment section, it's not news, or necessarily factual.


Sad. Rolling Eyes

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prole art threat wrote:
Johnny Pixels wrote:
prole art threat wrote:

Hahaha. I really cannot believe youre this gullible.

Here, take a look at this article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1266317,00.html


That's from the comment section, it's not news, or necessarily factual.


I love the way you critics cling on to the most nonsensical rubbish pertaining to 9/11 events and then when presented with 'evidence' which that article suggests, you dismiss it and come out with something lame like
Quote:
That's from the comment section, it's not news, or necessarily factual.


Sad. Rolling Eyes


You do know the difference between news, and comments don't you? In the Guardian the comment section is at the back, separated from the news. Why do you think that is?

If it is as important as you like to think, why isn't it on the front page.

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Johnny Pixels wrote:
prole art threat wrote:
Johnny Pixels wrote:
prole art threat wrote:

Hahaha. I really cannot believe youre this gullible.

Here, take a look at this article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1266317,00.html


That's from the comment section, it's not news, or necessarily factual.


I love the way you critics cling on to the most nonsensical rubbish pertaining to 9/11 events and then when presented with 'evidence' which that article suggests, you dismiss it and come out with something lame like
Quote:
That's from the comment section, it's not news, or necessarily factual.


Sad. Rolling Eyes


You do know the difference between news, and comments don't you? In the Guardian the comment section is at the back, separated from the news. Why do you think that is?

If it is as important as you like to think, why isn't it on the front page.


Oh so it's as clean cut and dried as that is it? All articles on the front page of a newspaper are guaranteed to be factual and those in the 'comments section' are just made up for a bit of a laugh?

Riiiiight.

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Oh so it's as clean cut and dried as that is it? All articles on the front page of a newspaper are guaranteed to be factual and those in the 'comments section' are just made up for a bit of a laugh?

Riiiiight.


If the comments were news, they'd be in the news section.

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Oh so it's as clean cut and dried as that is it? All articles on the front page of a newspaper are guaranteed to be factual and those in the 'comments section' are just made up for a bit of a laugh?

Riiiiight.


If the comments were news, they'd be in the news section.
who's to say news = fact/truth and comments = lies/fiction? many a celeb have sued news papers in the past, did we know they were lieing when the storey hit the shelves? no we only knew because someone spoke out ie the person the storey was about, however if the media just ignored the person speaking out to tell the truth would we even know at all? because unless you knew the person the only other way of people knowing is media, however if they decided they didnt want to report that persons voice trying to tell the truth it would have little effect to inform the public of the truth and therefore misinform the public about that person. therefore those words of truth from the person speaking out would'nt exsist to the public. they know this only to well and caught on to it long before the public had a brain to catch on. news dosnt mean truth anymore than comments, ones an opinion and an other is what they want us to know not always being the truth or whole truth. so you carnt trust it. which is where your own logic comes into play although its pretty obvious to me alot of people dont have logic they have just got to use to being told what the truth is rather than thinking about it for themselves.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and no i dont know what the truth is, but im 100% cetain it aint all in the news and isnt everything we are told by those in power. and thats just logical. we all lie or have lied no matter who or what job you do or race. we are human what makes people think those that lead us are not capable when they have more power to pull it off. but again i dont know the truth, but neither do you critics. all i know is regardless of what is going off and why we are being lied to about a lot of stuff and being blindly led up the creek.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest that this cosy little meeting was indicative of 9/11 involvement.

Let us strip it down.

1. Of all days in the calendar, September 11th was the date they chose.
2. What was Mahmoud Ahmed doing wiring $100,000 to Mohammad Atta shortly before 9/11? This in itself shows a connection between Intelligence and Mohammed Atta.

It is my personal opinion that these three were exhibiting criminalistic behaviour patterns, by getting together to gloat over the 'big finale' which they helped to create and orchestrate.

Just like the arsonist who returns to the scene of his crime, shortly afterwards, to survey and savour his firestarting handiwork.

This is what I, personally, think.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

prole art threat wrote:
I would suggest that this cosy little meeting was indicative of 9/11 involvement.

Let us strip it down.

1. Of all days in the calendar, September 11th was the date they chose.


Coincidence. The US had been looking for solutions to Bin Laden and the Taliban at the time, so not really a surprising coincidence at that.

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2. What was Mahmoud Ahmed doing wiring $100,000 to Mohammad Atta shortly before 9/11? This in itself shows a connection between Intelligence and Mohammed Atta.


This is unproven. What is it with the truth movement promoting unsubstantiated stories as factual?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny Pixels wrote:
prole art threat wrote:
I would suggest that this cosy little meeting was indicative of 9/11 involvement.

Let us strip it down.

1. Of all days in the calendar, September 11th was the date they chose.


Coincidence. The US had been looking for solutions to Bin Laden and the Taliban at the time, so not really a surprising coincidence at that.

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2. What was Mahmoud Ahmed doing wiring $100,000 to Mohammad Atta shortly before 9/11? This in itself shows a connection between Intelligence and Mohammed Atta.


This is unproven. What is it with the truth movement promoting unsubstantiated stories as factual?


Thw wiring of money was proven. Read the Meacher article!

How can you say anything is 'unproven' when the official story of hijackers taking over planes and smashing three of them into US landmarks, which you hold so close to your bosom, is the most unproven event EVER. Double standards now, is it?

Christ, you must get a right hard on ferociously scrubbing and whitewashing that Neocon doorstep.

Tell me what it's like? Go on, tell me what it's like being a Neocon's bitch?

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