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flamesong Major Poster
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: Police insignia at anti-BNP march |
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This is a bit of an unfortunate pose in which to catch a police officer at an anti-BNP march (in Blackpool today) - but can anybody explain this very Nazi-like insignia (see inset) on his uniform?
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Exraordinary. I've had a trawl about but didnt turn up anything. Perhaps telecasterisation might know? I've certainly not seen the like _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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flamesong Major Poster
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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About a quarter of the police present were wearing this black uniform with red insignia and number epaulettes. I'll check through my photos and see if I can find any other samples. |
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Hazzard Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Check for reactionary forces, armed policeman that sorta thing. _________________ Since when? |
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flamesong Major Poster
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Incidentally, there doesn't seem to be any way of convincing demonstrators that the real threat of fascism is not, in reality, the BNP - and that whilst they are fighting a gang of racist thugs at the door, the real fascism is seeping through the floorboards.
And curiously, there was some general agreement that false flag terrorism has occurred in Northern Ireland and possibly in Russia, as has been revealed in the death and revelations of Alexander Litvinenko, but mention of 9/11 was met with expressions of incredulity. |
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Busker Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Lancashire Constabulary Press Office Contacts are shown at http://www.lancashire.police.uk/index.php?id=50
Why not send them the picture and ask the question?
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Via the Lancashire Police Authority http://www.lancspa.gov.uk/contact.php
Incidentally, this looks like another form of militarisation of the police. There is absolutely no other explanation for a constable in uniform to have these type of markings, other than to adopt a military unit type psyche.
Oh and it used to be the case if a uniformed constable was improperly dressed any arrest they made, or instructions they gave, were invalid, hence why they introduced flat caps for those in cars. (No idea if that is still the case though) |
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Hazzard Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah the wound is still seeping. One day when its too late people will realise. By then the excuse will be "Its the powers that be, what can you do?" *shrug* _________________ Since when? |
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Newspeak International Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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flamesong wrote: | Incidentally, there doesn't seem to be any way of convincing demonstrators that the real threat of fascism is not, in reality, the BNP - and that whilst they are fighting a gang of racist thugs at the door, the real fascism is seeping through the floorboards.
And curiously, there was some general agreement that false flag terrorism has occurred in Northern Ireland and possibly in Russia, as has been revealed in the death and revelations of Alexander Litvinenko, but mention of 9/11 was met with expressions of incredulity. |
.....similarly Galloway tonight indicated a conspiracy of sorts in the death of the Russian guy, and Que Bono (sp),and the obviousness of the Stone thing as being staged .Yet if one states the obvious false flag event of 9/11 and Que Bono (sp),there's that word again incredulity!
(Sorry Flamesong this is as almost mirror post to yours, but in Galloway's case it was only a couple of hours or so ago.) |
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flamesong Major Poster
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:51 am Post subject: |
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Galloway has been at it for months. I can't bear to listen to him anymore. Last time I heard him he said that he couldn't believe that it was an inside job because:
a) they couldn't get away with it (!) - that tennis ball is still bouncing around inside my head!
b) he had seen the film United 93 - and as we all know, once Hollywood has cast its spell on something that makes it true! |
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uselesseater Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Apparently, an 'S' shaped like a lightening bolt like on SS uniforms represents 'Satanic Terror'. |
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Bicnarok Moderate Poster
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Ill ask at Yahoo questions, someones bound to know. _________________ "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our mind..." Bod Marley |
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spiv Validated Poster
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject: I'm a member of the BNP... |
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flamesong wrote: | Incidentally, there doesn't seem to be any way of convincing demonstrators that the real threat of fascism is not, in reality, the BNP - and that whilst they are fighting a gang of racist thugs at the door, the real fascism is seeping through the floorboards. |
I have no idea what these insignia are either, and, quite frankly, I couldn't care less.
I'm a member of the British National Party and, contrary to Flamesong's view of BNP supporters as being "racist thugs", I don't regard myself as either particularly "racist", and am certainly not a "thug". Indeed, as a middle aged British professional man, I am aghast in the way our once beloved British values, customs and beliefs are being taken apart and destroyed, and any voice of protest at this is deemed "racist". It is because of the alarming rate our traditional beliefs are being subordinated that I turned away from the three main crooked political parties in this country and joined the British National Party. It comes as a complete surprise to many people to find out exactly what the BNP stands for by visiting their website at www.bnp.org.uk rather than just reading and believing the tripe printed in the media, which is what most sheeple do!!! |
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chek Mega Poster
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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uselesseater wrote: | Apparently, an 'S' shaped like a lightening bolt like on SS uniforms represents 'Satanic Terror'. |
Although the actual meaning is 'Schutz Staffel', and the stylised twin 'S's as twin lightning flashes device owes more to the thirties art deco style than any satanic literature.
I'd agree that the adoption by the civil police force of military style unit badges isn't a good sign. The Police definitely should not become a para-military force, as was the case here in Norhern Ireland. |
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wepmob2000 Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: I'm a member of the BNP... |
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spiv wrote: |
I'm a member of the British National Party and, contrary to Flamesong's view of BNP supporters as being "racist thugs", I don't regard myself as either particularly "racist", and am certainly not a "thug". Indeed, as a middle aged British professional man, I am aghast in the way our once beloved British values, customs and beliefs are being taken apart and destroyed, and any voice of protest at this is deemed "racist". It is because of the alarming rate our traditional beliefs are being subordinated that I turned away from the three main crooked political parties in this country and joined the British National Party. It comes as a complete surprise to many people to find out exactly what the BNP stands for by visiting their website at www.bnp.org.uk rather than just reading and believing the tripe printed in the media, which is what most sheeple do!!! |
I've investigated the BNP website in the past, and must admit quite a few of their policies do make a hell of a lot of sense. And yes I agree with your views on British values and traditions and so on.
However the problem I have with the BNP is why you cannot join if you're not white. A British citizen of say Jamaican, Jewish, or Pakistani origin can be just as patriotic as a white guy, if not more so in many cases, because they appreciate what they've gained rather than taking it all for granted. Patriotism doesn't have to mean racism, but until the BNP reviews its membership policy amongst others it will always be regarded as an inherently racist entity. |
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Hazzard Moderate Poster
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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wepmob their british 'values' are a smoke screen to decieve people into bringing them into power. They will whore themselves to any policy except equality in order to trick people into voting for them. Even if its playing on peoples desperations and fears.
They are nazi thugs it really is that simple. _________________ Since when? |
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wepmob2000 Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Hazzard wrote: | wepmob their british 'values' are a smoke screen to decieve people into bringing them into power. They will whore themselves to any policy except equality in order to trick people into voting for them. Even if its playing on peoples desperations and fears.
They are nazi thugs it really is that simple. |
Well actually yes, the one BNP member I know personally is an out and out nazi thug, theres no kinder way to describe a guy who literally idolizes Hitler and bricks mosque windows for a hobby. So you're probably right about a great many of them at least.
However, where does this place the people who support them due to some of their apparently quite appealing policies (rather than any real racist tendencies)? I don't know what proportion of people fall into that category, but there must be some I would think. Their obvious racism on their website is repellant to me, and I'm not 'ethnically pure' enough to join anyway. But on the face of it some of their manifesto makes sense, (even if, and you're undoubtedly right, they're merely whoring themselves to appear electable). Is there actually any political party in this country worth voting for? |
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Hazzard Moderate Poster
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | However, where does this place the people who support them due to some of their apparently quite appealing policies (rather than any real racist tendencies)? I don't know what proportion of people fall into that category, but there must be some I would think. Their obvious racism on their website is repellant to me, and I'm not 'ethnically pure' enough to join anyway. But on the face of it some of their manifesto makes sense, (even if, and you're undoubtedly right, they're merely whoring themselves to appear electable). Is there actually any political party in this country worth voting for? |
Well like I said I think it puts these people in a position of fear and desperation which the BNP party plays on in order to gain peoples support.
We either choose Bilderburg Communist scum, or BNP Nazi scum.
In either case we are left with a desperate and fearful situation, making people easy to manipulate when they lack a mind that is capable of rational and critical thinking. _________________ Since when? |
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wepmob2000 Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Hazzard wrote: | Quote: | However, where does this place the people who support them due to some of their apparently quite appealing policies (rather than any real racist tendencies)? I don't know what proportion of people fall into that category, but there must be some I would think. Their obvious racism on their website is repellant to me, and I'm not 'ethnically pure' enough to join anyway. But on the face of it some of their manifesto makes sense, (even if, and you're undoubtedly right, they're merely whoring themselves to appear electable). Is there actually any political party in this country worth voting for? |
Well like I said I think it puts these people in a position of fear and desperation which the BNP party plays on in order to gain peoples support.
We either choose Bilderburg Communist scum, or BNP Nazi scum.
In either case we are left with a desperate and fearful situation, making people easy to manipulate when they lack a mind that is capable of rational and critical thinking. |
Its interesting and not a little bit frightening that theres a direct historical precedent for the current situation in this country; Germany in the 1920's, now we only need a recession......... |
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Garcon Warrior Minor Poster
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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And our British values are?? slavery, imperialism. Racism is just another agenda for the powers that be to split and divide us all why would you want to be in a party that advocates that. Maybe Spiv they need to be taken apart as of now where have they got us? |
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utopiated Validated Poster
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spiv Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:31 am Post subject: Re: I'm a member of the BNP... |
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wepmob2000 states "I've investigated the BNP website in the past, and must admit quite a few of their policies do make a hell of a lot of sense. And yes I agree with your views on British values and traditions and so on. However the problem I have with the BNP is why you cannot join if you're not white".
A good point wepmob2000. My son is a white police officer, and he cannot join the Association of Black Police Officers, nor qualify for the Asian Police Officer of the Year award. "Racism" only seems to be one way, doesn't it?.
Eligibility for joining the BNP is "Membership of the British National Party is open to those of British or kindred European ethnic descent. While we welcome contact and co-operation with nationalists and patriots of other races, and with the many non-whites who also oppose enforced multi-racialism, we ask them to respect our right to an organisation of our own, for our own, as we respect and applaud their measures to organise themselves in like fashion" and what is so wrong with that?
Contrary to the popular media and our lying politicians, most of us are ordinary people, many of them in business and professions like myself, going about our ordinary lives, and not "Nazi Scum" as Hazzard likes to view people such as myself.
Anyhow, enough said by me on this subject, this is a 9/11 truth movement site, and I hope that you are all e-mailing the British and American politicians with your demands for a thorough independent and impartial inquiry into 9/11, and that I am not the only one demanding this of the politicians. If not, then start at
http://congratulationsdemocratsnowdoyourjob.com |
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Garcon Warrior Minor Poster
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Spiv Quoted:
Quote: | "Membership of the British National Party is open to those of British or kindred European ethnic descent. While we welcome contact and co-operation with nationalists and patriots of other races, and with the many non-whites who also oppose enforced multi-racialism, we ask them to respect our right to an organisation of our own, for our own, as we respect and applaud their measures to organise themselves in like fashion" and what is so wrong with that?
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There was a great programme on channel 4 a few weeks ago testing the DNA of people who thought they were 100% English. Out of all the people tested only one person (Norman Tebbit) was 100% from northern european genes. Gary Bushell (his face was a picture) was 10% african, a man who suggested you needed at least 7 generations of pure english blood to say you are truly english was infact from Italian blood, and a woman who wanted to sue the show because it was found she probably came from Romanian gypsies.
So the question is how does the BNP ensure that people are from european decent do they DNA every member?
And I would love to know how many police officers in Cornwall are from ethnic backgrounds? |
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flamesong Major Poster
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Priceless! |
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telecasterisation Banned
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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My own spin on the insignia question;
Every force has its own core uniform. From this radiates the various 'specialist' and 'non-regular' departments. For example, 'specials' and assistant branch staff like community officers will wear basically the same uniform with a few extra bells and whistles, whilst dog handlers often opt for their thicker trousers as they tend to get dragged through bushes and muck chasing their animal who in turn is chasing a suspect.
I would guess, and it is only purely only that, by the actual insignia itself it would tend to illustrate a 'rapid response' branch, such as an extension of the Met's Special Patrol Group. In other words, lightning = quick, sitting around the corner in a van waiting for it to kick off.
What is surprising is the lack of obvious number on the officer's shoulder, although it may be the angle and position the photo has been taken from. |
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blackbear Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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"It is in our long term interests that Hezbollah are ground into dust by Israel as that way we don’t have to do it in the future"..........Lee Barnes..
B.N.P.
wepmob2000...I think a racist like yourself would be most welcome on the site....
http://www.bnp.org.uk/columnists/brimstone2.php?leeId=80
William Rodriguez.........thousands didn't turn up for work.........
9/11........good day for Israel and the fancy dress dancers. |
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wepmob2000 Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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blackbear wrote: | "It is in our long term interests that Hezbollah are ground into dust by Israel as that way we don’t have to do it in the future"..........Lee Barnes..
B.N.P.
wepmob2000...I think a racist like yourself would be most welcome on the site....
http://www.bnp.org.uk/columnists/brimstone2.php?leeId=80
William Rodriguez.........thousands didn't turn up for work.........
9/11........good day for Israel and the fancy dress dancers. |
Hey Mr Blackbear
Have you heard of a little thing called slander? Please retract your statement with full apologies immediately. Dislike of a terrorist organisation like Hezbollah in no way equates to racism. Last I heard Hezbollah was an organisation, not a race, nationality, minority or anything else? Also please buy a dictionary and try reading it.......... |
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flamesong Major Poster
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, they did have numbers on their shoulders. Some differently attired officers had orange numbered epaulettes.
Personally, I am not convinced that merely identifying who or what this insignia represents is the big issue. 'Rapid response' it may well be - it is still indicative, as has been stated already, of a militariasation of the police.
Incidentally, I thought the SPG had been disbanded in the 80's. |
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Busker Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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flamesong wrote: | 'Rapid response' it may well be - it is still indicative, as has been stated already, of a militariasation of the police.
Incidentally, I thought the SPG had been disbanded in the 80's. |
The Special Patrol Group was disbanded, or perhaps that should be re-branded? Tactical Support Group (TSG), Incident Response Teams (IRT) are typical names I've heard referring to this type of functionality, then of course, there are the armed officers etc.
As for it "only being a badge", every serving constable (regardless of rank they are all holders of the office of constable) is issued with a service number. This is sufficient, with the force name to identify the officer. Extra little badges, flashes and additions to the standard uniform cost the tax payers more money as someone has to buy and sew them on.
As I said previously, it's militarisation. First the uniform, then the mindset. Don't every let a constable refer to you as a civilian unchallenged. Their police powers come from common law and they are as much civilian as anyone not serving in the Army, Royal Air Force, Royal Navy or Royal Marines. Don't let them forget it. |
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wepmob2000 Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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wepmob2000 wrote: | blackbear wrote: | "It is in our long term interests that Hezbollah are ground into dust by Israel as that way we don’t have to do it in the future"..........Lee Barnes..
B.N.P.
wepmob2000...I think a racist like yourself would be most welcome on the site....
http://www.bnp.org.uk/columnists/brimstone2.php?leeId=80
William Rodriguez.........thousands didn't turn up for work.........
9/11........good day for Israel and the fancy dress dancers. |
Hey Mr Blackbear
Have you heard of a little thing called slander? Please retract your statement with full apologies immediately. Dislike of a terrorist organisation like Hezbollah in no way equates to racism. Last I heard Hezbollah was an organisation, not a race, nationality, minority or anything else? Also please buy a dictionary and try reading it.......... |
A message to the moderaters:
Please can you take affirmative action against Blackbear and his slanderous comments. I noted recently one poster was quite rightly banned for calling someone an 'anti semite' when said victim was merely criticising the Israeli political entity. Likewise criticism of Hezbollah is criticism of a political entity and not a race, thus is in no way racist. |
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spiv Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject: out of oder |
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I'm afraid, Mr Blackbear, that you are well out of order on this thread. People having views and opinions is always deemed by people such as yourself as "racist" or uttered by "Nazi thugs". If you actually take a step back, you will see that the "thought thugs" are the reactionaries such as yourself.
We need sensible reasoned discussion in the UK, as there is a political fuse which is burning behind closed doors of the indigenous population of Britain, and I rather suspect that the lying politicians of the 'Nu Labour' Government will feel the explosion one day soon. I rather expect, following recent developments in Holland, that the Dutch are ahead of this country, but I foresee the political backlash happening in the UK over the next few short years.
You should apologise publicly to wepmob2000. |
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