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Ally
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 Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: V for Vendetta |
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Holy Krapola, V for Vendetta is da best film I seen in a long time. Sort of 1984 crossed with They Live. Set in 2020 after a birdflu type virus has broken out, America is one massive leper colony while British society is under Marshall law. The police drive about in vans at night listening to people talking in their homes to make sure they aren't criticising the government. Amidst this Fascist regime a rebel emerges called V. His first act is to blow up the Old Bailey in London but the government doesn't want to admit his activities so instead creates a fake news report that claims the government decided to DEMOLISH the Old Bailey and it wasn't brought down by a terrorist, this is pretty much the 911 lie in reverse. The film goes ever further and subtly suggests 7/7 type events are government operations. The disease outbreak in America is revealed to have been caused by the authorities and was developed using Guantanamo Bay type torture centres whereby human guinea pigs are experimented on, hell it just goes on and on exposing government false flags.
Some of the acting is a bit camp but the ideas behind the flick are the most subversive I've seen in sinemas for years. The end with Parliament getting blown up is just beautiful.
http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/
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Pikey
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Thanks for that Ally, looks like I will be going to my local cinema! Remember the film/entertainment(Hollywood) industry is a key part of the matrix which the ptb control. Here is a report of the film on the "Truthseeker" website kindly sent to me via our information networking by M:-
| Quote: | V for Vendetta
Wayne Madsen – The Wayne Madsen Report March 20, 2006
It’s not often that a film can affect the body politic of a nation. But that is the effect of the movie released on St. Patrick's Day, <>V for Vendetta<>. Set in a near future England ruled by a Conservative Party government-turned-fascist, the hero, a horribly burned escaped political prisoner named "V" who dons a Guy Fawkes mask, cape, hat, and has an array of fancy weapons (sort of a Zorro, Phantom of the Opera, and Batman clone), blows up London's Old Bailey judicial building and the Houses of Parliament as an act of vengeance for the genocide and political repression carried out by the fascist government. As a historical note, Guy Fawkes attempted to blow of Parliament in 1605 with gunpowder in a plot involving Catholics and Spain. He was caught and hanged but soon became a folk hero to England's working class and Guy Fawkes Day is celebrated with fireworks every November 5.
What has our own fascist right wing media hopping mad are the references to the Bush regime and its wars. One political dissident in the movie has a secret room displaying banned art and posters. One of the posters is from the anti- Iraq war London protests -- it displays a U.S. flag and U.K. flag inter-connected by a swastika with the words "Coalition of the Willing." There are references to a civil war- and virus-ravaged "former United States" that has engaged not only in the actual war in Iraq but wars in Syria and Kurdistan. There are comments about America's rendition and there are plenty of black hoods thrown on the heads of political detainees and "yellow" terrorist alerts. Not only has TV come under total fascist control, but Britain's Royal Mail has been privatized and turned into the "British Freight Co." There is also a reference to a genocide carried out by the English fascists in Ireland and it may not have been totally coincidental that a film focusing on an English fascist government's repression of freedom fighters was released on St. Patrick's Day.
The Conservative Party reaches ultimate power by unleashing a virus on Britain killing thousands. It turns out that leading members of the Conservative Party own stock in the pharmaceutical firms that have the vaccine drugs and enrich themselves in the process. Several top officials of the Bush regime have interests in various pharmaceutical firms involved with anthrax, smallpox, and avian flu vaccines --including Donald Rumsfeld, the former CEO of G.D. Searle [sold to Monsanto] -- and V for Vendetta's references to avian flu as a government attempt to hype the media and bamboozle the public is another clear link between the film's anti-fascist message and the Bush/Tony Blair governments.
Britain's near future features a Fox/Sky News type propaganda news network called "British Television Network." Its major racist, right-wing blatherer also happens to enjoy romping around in a specially-built shower in his office (hmmm... I wonder who that might really be?). There is also the bald, pudgy, and thoroughly revolting top assistant and chief dirty tricks operative to the fascist High Chancellor (hmmm...again, I wonder who that could be?). And then there is the English Bishop who happens to like little girls (well, that could be any of our so-called "moral majority" religious leaders, except in some cases, little boys could be substituted for little girls).
In the end, all these fiends are eliminated, one by one, by our man "V." And this is what probably, more than anything else, has the right-wing defecating in their pants. They know that one day they will face a reckoning for the damage they've done to the United States, to Iraq, to the United Nations process and international law, and to peoples and nations around the world. And that reckoning will be far from a slap on the wrists and the right-wing is beginning to wake up to that fact. Some on the right now understand they overplayed their hand and are trying to change their spots.
The left has always been tolerant to a point. But pushed against the wall, the progressives of the world have always discovered how to treat their vanquished enemies -- just look at what happened to Hans Frank, Wilhelm Frick, Julius Streicher, Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Pierre Laval, Vidkun Quisling, and other fascist leaders of the 20th century.
V has one bit of advice that is already echoing around the Internet: "People shouldn't be afraid of their government, government should be afraid of their people."
It looks like there will be a run on Guy Fawkes masks and maybe quite a few red spray painted "Vs" on various public adverts and walls. And why not? Let neo-con governments and their operatives and lickspittles everywhere know that with a blossoming of red "Vs" that we the people do understand and neo-con governments and their right-wing supporters should be very afraid of the people.
Already, the right-wing, including blogs like Town Hall, Men's News Daily, and WorldNetDaily, are attacking the film, calling it, among other things, pro-terrorist, pro-homosexual, neo-Marxist, anti-Christian, and left-wing pro-Islamo-fascist (by the way, co-star Natalie Portman is Israeli born). Someone named Ted Baehr, writing for WorldNetDaily, called Britain's Parliament, blown up by V in the movie, "Western Civilization's most enduring symbols of democracy and republican government." That's funny, last time this editor went to Britain, I distinctly remember the country being a monarchy. But history is not a strong suit among the right-wing. Their hero, George W. Bush, can't even read a history book although he's probably listened to the book-on-tape version of Mein Kampf.
The right-wing has plenty to be worried about with the movie V for Vendetta. They will first see the push back in the November elections (and woe be it to them if they once again engage in election fraud). And upon electoral victory will inevitably come the indictments, trials, impeachments, imprisonments, electoral recalls, and, if need be, deportations, or as they called them during the days of Guy Fawkes, banishment.
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| I am not sure the right-wing, left-wing thing is relevant to the issue of 911/77 truth. Ater all, Labour have been in power for nearly nine years now. The hard left seems oblivious to the totalitarian drift of the government. Contrary to popular views, and with respect to the extremer internet sites, the Queen is a moderating influence on right-wing politicians and was openly critical of the divisive nature of Thatcher's domestic policies. She spoke off the record to a journalist of 'dark forces of which we know nothing' - presumably MI5? I myself have never been a 'peacenik ', or for that matter a republican, and until recently I was pro intervention in Iraq. I have of course 'seen the light'. I think it is important that this forum and the whole movement should be above politics and embrace people from all parties. There must be Conservatives, Lib Dems , Labour and Greens among us. We are not all from the same stable. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: where lie our natural supporters? |
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| andrewwatson wrote: | | I am not sure the right-wing, left-wing thing is relevant to the issue of 911/77 truth. Ater all, Labour have been in power for nearly nine years now. The hard left seems oblivious to the totalitarian drift of the government. Contrary to popular views, and with respect to the extremer internet sites, the Queen is a moderating influence on right-wing politicians and was openly critical of the divisive nature of Thatcher's domestic policies. She spoke off the record to a journalist of 'dark forces of which we know nothing' - presumably MI5? I myself have never been a 'peacenik ', or for that matter a republican, and until recently I was pro intervention in Iraq. I have of course 'seen the light'. I think it is important that this forum and the whole movement should be above politics and embrace people from all parties. There must be Conservatives, Lib Dems , Labour and Greens among us. We are not all from the same stable. |
I agree with the gist of this, Andrew. (Good to have met you for the first time on Saturday)
Like you, I think the Queen is a moderating influence and I can't square that with what I hear a lot of people talking about: that because of her bloodline, she must be part of the "illuminati" and therefore conspiring to corral us all into a global fascist state.
Unlike you, I have been a peacenik most of my adult life and I have also been a member of the Labour Party, though I left it once I saw the direction this appalling government was leading us.
I agree with you about how the 9/11 & 7/7 issue cuts right across party lines. At the Creative Forum event in an anarchist squat in London's prestigious Russell Square last weekend, my display of 9/11 & 7/7 material was cleared away by the house residents five minutes after I had put it out. I was given a number of reasons for this:
1 it was highly controvertial material
2 there are some "very nasty right wing people associated with the 9/11 Truth Movement"
3 I should have put in a request to the house committee at least a day beforehand
4 Since some of the material I was displaying (the books) were for sale, this constituted "a business" and they don't allow businesses to operate on their premises
5 It was crazy conspiracy theory
And this was all at an event which was meeting in this house to encourage people to share ideas which elsewhere the powers that be make it hard to express.
And yes we do have a wide spectrum of opinion supporting the 9/11 truth movement: greens, socialists, anarchists, liberals, and tories. I'm afraid, in the early days of the movement in this country, I told one well-known racist/fascist politician to get lost and as a consequence he threatened to sue me, but he would have been bad news in our group.
There has been a tendency for us to concentrate our efforts on the political left and the peace movement, but we have found a lot of resistance there among the leadership, despite support at the grass roots.
My instinctive feeling is we should concentrate on awakening unpoliticised "Middle England" who are potentially so powerful and so shockable. Some have interpreted that as aiming at the middle class and said that the working class and the underclass are more receptive to our message. I think we should be contacting both and see where it leads us, but with leaders of established political movements (including left and peace ones) we seem to be wasting our time.
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Ally
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Your story sounds hideous but again all too familier from the quasi-left dissenters. Idiots like George Galloway don't help the situation by lying repeatedly about what's going on.
Those anarchists spent too much time drinking cheap cider instead of reading. |
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SmashySmash
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The whole aristocracy has been a moderating force on the government (Lords vs ID?), which just goes to show how screwed up our system is at the moment...
Btw, please DON'T go see 'V for Vendetta', it was originally Alan Moore's great comic and makes for a fantastic read! The author has demanded his name be removed from the credits, so I think it's safe to say that he has totally dissociated himself from the project. Jonathan Ross absolutely slated the film and its premise about a week ago, and his criticisms were, to me, totally valid... |
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Ally
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| SmashySmash wrote: | | Jonathan Ross absolutely slated the film and its premise about a week ago, and his criticisms were, to me, totally valid... |
I notice most of the mass media slated the film, I wonder why? 
The reason Moore got skitzed about the film was because he still thinks Islamofacists bombed London and the film could be insensitive.
Who do you think bombed London Underground? |
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| Quote: | | The reason Moore got skitzed about the film was because he still thinks Islamofacists bombed London and the film could be insensitive |
Is this fact or conjectrue?
Because Alan Moore already distanced himself from the Wachowski bros AND DC Comics at the release of 'league of extraordinary gentlemen', when he discovered how much the story had been butchered. As a result he decided to abandon the film industry. Hence no credits in V!
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Mmmm
From what I've read so far it seems like I should watch the movie.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: where lie our natural supporters? |
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| xmasdale wrote: | [
I agree with the gist of this, Andrew. (Good to have met you for the first time on Saturday)
Like you, I think the Queen is a moderating influence and I can't square that with what I hear a lot of people talking about: that because of her bloodline, she must be part of the "illuminati" and therefore conspiring to corral us all into a global fascist state.
Noel |
Oh, come on Noel. She's a front for a multi-billionaire project, cold-eyed, hard-fingered. The quirks and humanities of the Royals are just posturing
Most of the produce of Charles's organic serfdom is peculiarly dead and tasteless
She moderates nothing, just gives credence to the plot
They're purely reptilian , in metaphor if not literally
If you didn't know what Tony was responsible for, you could mistake him for quite a nice chap, really
They're part of the European lineage that have a foul and degenerate history, and shouldn't be given any credence or allowance, ever
Appreciate your point though
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Ally
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| andrewwatson wrote: | | I remain convinced that the Queen and for that matter Prince Charles are on the whole a force for good in the world. |
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Pikey
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: Guardian-Sydney Blumenthal |
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"At US cinemas V for Vendetta-in which an imaginary Britain, ruled by a totalitarian, faith based regime that rounds up gays, is a metaphor for Bush's America - is the surprise hit. Bush has succeeded in getting American audiences to cheer for terrorism".
Former senior advisor to President Clinton |
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| Pikey wrote: | Noel states:-
| Quote: | | Like you, I think the Queen is a moderating influence and I can't square that |
Facts not conspiracy theories, for your consideration:-
1. MPs who in a supposedly democratic society swear their allegiance to
the Queen (The Crown) when they become elected, not to the people
who elect them.
2. Lady Di on the famous panorama interview called them "the lizerds"
and said she would shock the world with the truth one day.
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Just the other day I read about the Queen's involvement with Depleted Uranium, used as weapons in Iraq and other countries. No wonder she didn't like Diana, whose campaign against weapons would have adversely affected the Queen's business:
Dr. Jay Gould revealed in his book The Enemy Within that the British royal family privately owns investments in uranium holdings worth over $6 billion through Rio Tinto Mines in Australia. The mining company was formed for the British royal family in the late 1950s by Roland Walter “Tiny” Rowland, who was known as the queen’s banker and the master financial manipulator behind billionaire Robert Maxwell’s fortune.*
The Rothschilds are also profiting enormously from their control of the price and supply of uranium globally.
The ubiquitous Halliburton just recently finished construction of a 1,000-mile railway from the mining area to a port on the north coast of Australia to transport the ore.
The queen’s favorite American buccaneers, Dick Cheney and the Bush family, are tied to her through uranium mining and the shared use of DU munitions in the Middle East, Central Asia and Kosovo. |
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| I read that article too! I was shocked, I had no idea! Very interesting... didn't realise that Di and the Queen tied in against eachother because of that. Thanks for tying that up for me. |
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