Aluminium will not cut through steel even at 500mph...

[John White]

"The Eagles are coming"

We are battling the Orcs at the Gates of Mordor

Its never been fiercer or more desperate

But on the flitter of a moth's wing:

Hope is coming, and Freedom such as we have never known

[andrewwatson]

Arise , Sir John White.

[Fallious]

[alwun]

Fallious, you just posted the following in answer to a cut and dried criticsm which pointed out a major flaw in your reasoning, and you choose to answer with a statement which is notable for its complete absence of coherence, or maybe it's just me.

Fallious wrote:

[Fallious]

[Graham]

I'd never have thought wood could penetrate concrete/stone.



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[mason-free party]

i've seen multiple crashes of planes hitting the sea....on all occasions there is debris wreckage bouncing off the surface....now is water denser than steel/concrete....?

[Thermate]

[rodin]

[rodin]

John, is there a way you can take a question and people can put their names to it?

Do you think actual planes hit WTC towers?

YES--------------------------NO

rodin
etc

Might as well flush 'em out eh?

A blind vote is useless here.

[Andrew Johnson]

Hey!

The wood/concrete damage is good - but - here's a good one! What would happen if you fired a .44 magnum at a Steel Girder?


Cheers!

[Fallious]

Ok, Andrew here's a nice easy experiment which you can try at home! I'm gonna give it a try tomorrow, if it's not too cold.

Impact test: (free range) egg v's roof slate.

Part 1.

- Prop your roof slate on the ground, but only support the sides. Leave the centre unsupported... Perhaps use a picture frame or some lengths of wood.

- Drop the egg on the centre of the slate from 1 ft.

Observe damage.

Part 2.

- Prop your roof slate on the ground, but only support the sides. Leave the centre unsupported.

- Drop the egg from 2 feet.

Observe damage.

Part 3.

Repeat, increasing the height the egg is dropped from each time till both the egg and slate break on impact.

Hypothesis:

I doubt either the egg or slate will break for the first few drops. Both will be strong enough to absorb the energy released at the impact.

I do not know which is more able to absorb the impact energy, the egg or the slate (I suspect the egg, but that's beside the point). However, I expect either the egg or slate to break first, but not both.

This demonstrates that one object is less able to absorb the impact damage than the other.

Continuing the experiment, I expect that as the drop height increases BOTH the slate and egg will break. The higher the drop, the more damage will be done to egg and slate.

Some interesting things...

Well the egg is an interesting object to use. I imagined this to represent the aeroplane, with it's very weak surface but a substantial shock absorbing bulk inside (fuel, furnishings etc).

I wonder how much damage an empty egg shell would do to the slate from ANY height? Please understand that if the empty shell were travelling fast enough, it would indeed break the slate, but I doubt gravity alone could come close to this speed. This is the problem with NPT crash explanations; you ignore the internal bulk of the aircraft, it's shock absorption qualities and it's speed.

I think throwing, or doing pretty much anything with an egg demonstrates this perfectly. I can even imagine destroying a brick wall with an egg if it's shot out of a cannon somehow.

Go try the experiment and report back on the reality of impact physics.

[paul wright]

The egg should be hard-boiled to be more realistic
But in any state it hardly equates

[Fallious]

[Stefan]

You are ignoring Snowygrouches actual point: The wings were full of fuel.

Think about an empty water filled platic dumb bell weight and a full one and imagine the difference in impact they would have if hurled at a car window.

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

Come up with eggs (raw or boiled), cans of pop, cans of beans - it still doesn't change the blindingly obvious fact that there were no planes.

[paul wright]

[rodin]

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

[rodin]

[Andrew Johnson]

[Fallious]

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

[Fallious]

Once again, you prove yourself incapable of critically examining the evidence available to you.

Actually, it's worse than incapable..

You are unwilling! Instead of testing your theories with genuine intent to learn the truth, you'd rather fling your turd theory around and hope it sticks to enough people to perpetuate your turd flinging party.

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

[Fallious]

[Andrew Johnson]

Fallious,

You keep asking the same question and it's already been discussed and posted. Your response has been to compare free range eggs and slate roofs.

Your may think I'm "cracked" or eggcentric but methinks you have egg on your face - and at least from a jokes point of view, this thread could run and run.

I'm enjoying it so far. TSWU3, wouldn't you eggree?

[Fallious]

Is it this? "Perfectly aligned" comparison of two different clips from wildly different angles?



Perhaps it's this faultless comparison of a microsoft flight simulator 2004 plane picture, versus a youtube compressed closeup of the first aircraft?



You guys are such incredible douches. Come on, lets have some more turd.

[Andrew Johnson]

Still posting the dodgy comparison ay? I've already commented on that one, humpty old boy!

[Fallious]