flight 93 photo, Fake??

[jackchit]

I was speaking to killtown on skype last night and was telling him about this forum.
He asked me to post a link to his analysis of the Val McClatchey's infamous flight 93 plume of smoke photo and get everyones opinion so here it is
http://flight93photo.blogspot.com/

[jackchit]

Bump... at Killtowns request

[Killtown]

thanks for posting this Jack!

If anybody has any photo-editing skills, I'd appreciate anything you could contribute to this.

Remember the 2 claims I make about this photo is:

1) It shows a smoke plume that originated much closer to her house

2) the photo is fake.


Most people at LC forum believes the photo is fake:

[telecasterisation]

[Light Infantree]

Fake or not something 'crashed' near there, it left a big hole in the ground. I don't think it was a plane though. Not enough wreckage and nothing visible except the crater. It would seem more feasible that flight 93 was the 'reserve' plane perhaps to be brought into play should there have been any fowl ups with the other three planes. Then they activated the 'hero passenger's' part of the script to make the story more plausable.

Not that easy to fake something like this though. You require very good photoshop skills and a lot of time.

[chek]

[Light Infantree]

...a missile

[optimus79]

Maybe its a holographic smoke plume

[Killtown]

My McClatchey blogpost was hacked today:

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/10/val-mcclatchey-blogpost-hacked.ht ml

[Poacher]

[chek]

I more usually work with Corel Photopaint, and when adding items into photos (purely innocently I hasten to add!) there are frequently some outline artefacts that need to be disguised, blended or cloned to match the insert or background. I daresay Photoshop is a much more sophisticated tool, but you'd still need to be careful that the pixelisation of the separate images matched, to withstand close scrutiny.

One thing I did notice was that the only close match to the distinctive plume and column pattern occurred during a horizontal crash, where some fuel continued burning at point of touchdown, then petered out as the aircraft had continued skidding away along the ground.

Were the photo genuine, that would indicate a very short lived fireball very quickly extinguished.

[Poacher]

[Killtown]

[Bicnarok]

The photo is fake, the sky above the ground has a different compression setting as can be seen from the close up ive added.

the ground to the tree line was pasted inover the sky picture, you can see the light aura arround the trees.

[Bicnarok]

I talk from experience, ive done a few fakes myself, heres one of mine:)

[Killtown]

Nice Bicnarok! I'm not an expert in photoshopping, so I posted your thoughts over at LC forum to see if they concur.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=839 9&view=findpost&p=7690687

[Killtown]

I'm curious if anybody here doesn't agree with the two conclusions I've made about Val's photo:

1) It shows an explosion originating closer to her house.

2) Its a fake.

[Killtown]

Here's a plane crash smoke plume that's about 30 sec old:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOreA5Q45JU

Now compare that with Flight 93's plume that had to drift over 250yds taking about 50 sec in the reported 9 knot wind if it originated from the crater in order for it to have lined up with this shot:



Rememeber, if this plume originated from the crater, it would be about 700yd (7 football fields) wide in this photo and a "mile" high in the sky since the crater area sits well below the horizon in this photo and this is the ONLY photo supposedly taken of the alleged Flight 93 plume.
Flight 93 Photo Fraud

[Killtown]

I have a condensed version (9:49min instead of 29min) of Val McClatchey's Windsor Park Stories interview where she gives so much evidence of a fraud. Notice here eyes are always looking up and to the left (the sign of dishonesty):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jliIl-ssbG0

[Fallious]

Where's the high resolution version of this photo?

[Killtown]

[marky 54]

something made that crater in the ground, and the top soil was black so i expect an explosion was in involved. all the photo proves is that the crater was real. it dosnt prove that flight 93 hit the ground there. it could of been anything. i would of thought catching a picture of the plane flying directly downwards from out of the sky would of been the better photo oppertunity than the smoke. the plane must of been flying nose down for there not to of been more widespread damage in the area. any witness to it would of known the plane was gonna crash.

[Leiff]

Sorry, I posted on the wrong thread.

For what its worth it looks fake to me.

[Woodee]

depending on what height the plane dived from... travelling nose down at around 400 mph would surely make the plane break apart... wings break off at least?

[rodin]

Sorry for being off-topic but I could use the expertise of posters on this thread.

Can anyone verify that the pictures below showing a central core standing have not had the central core photoshopped in?





Taken from

http://amanzafar.no-ip.com/WTC/

TIA