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Half an hours worth of 9/11 Truth on Sky News. This was watched by millions and will hopefully have them all researching it themselves and increasing our already MASSIVE support. The truth will out. The critics will look like proper eejits
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9060379095349825616&q=David+Sh ayler+Sky+news
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: David Shayler on Sky Sports |
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Is this the same David Shayler who apparently claimed there were 6 RC walls between the Pentagon facade and the driveway inside ring C ???
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: David Shayler on Sky Sports |
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| Ignatz wrote: |
Is this the same David Shayler who apparently claimed there were 6 RC walls between the Pentagon facade and the punch-out hole in ring C ??? |
No. There are two David Shaylers.
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I hope it does get people researching, they will then discover it is half an hour of lies. He is a glib and convincing liar, but of course the "no planes" rubbish at the end gives the game away, it is all a pack of nonsense he enjoys spouting but doesn't even believe in himself. He will say anything at all to get an effect.
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | I hope it does get people researching, they will then discover it is half an hour of lies. He is a glib and convincing liar, but of course the "no planes" rubbish at the end gives the game away, it is all a pack of nonsense he enjoys spouting but doesn't even believe in himself. He will say anything at all to get an effect. |
Oh! How you'd like that to be so! But you know full well how "No Planes" is viewed by the majority around here, and if honesty was important to the critics, they'd be joining that majority in decrying it and demanding a proper investigation
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| John White wrote: | | Bushwacker wrote: | | I hope it does get people researching, they will then discover it is half an hour of lies. He is a glib and convincing liar, but of course the "no planes" rubbish at the end gives the game away, it is all a pack of nonsense he enjoys spouting but doesn't even believe in himself. He will say anything at all to get an effect. |
Oh! How you'd like that to be so! But you know full well how "No Planes" is viewed by the majority around here, and if honesty was important to the critics, they'd be joining that majority in decrying it and demanding a proper investigation |
You seem to be saying that critics should be demanding a re-investigation in order to help demolish the "no planes" theory, but that's hard to believe.
What were you actually meaning to say?
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Of course critics should be decrying "no Planes" but it would be nice to recognise the common ground, though we both know it won't happen
And "demanding a proper investgiation" is the underlying motivation behind every post I make here Ignatz: why else would I have joined? It never hurts to bang the drum, you must be used to that by now, for why else would critics have metaphorical cotton wool permanently stuffed in their ears?
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"... look at the flight manifests ... get them on the internet ... there are no Arab names ... "
This is just a bare-faced lie. On national TV. <<off>>
There goes your credibility, if you ever had any
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"... look at the flight manifests ... get them on the internet ... there are no Arab names ... "
This is just a bare-faced lie. On national TV. <<off>>
There goes your credibility, if you ever had any |
But you have seen the 'amended' flight manifests, doofus.
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| Ignatz wrote: |
"... look at the flight manifests ... get them on the internet ... there are no Arab names ... "
This is just a bare-faced lie. On national TV. <<off>>
There goes your credibility, if you ever had any |
cool you found them? you found flight manifests with hijackers names on that are not photocopied, with penned over names and dotted line underneath atta's name(can happen when something is overlaying the original copy after pressing the copy button, or poor use of tipex when editing out the lines then copying again). link please then i can shut up about the photocopies. |
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| John White wrote: | | Bushwacker wrote: | | I hope it does get people researching, they will then discover it is half an hour of lies. He is a glib and convincing liar, but of course the "no planes" rubbish at the end gives the game away, it is all a pack of nonsense he enjoys spouting but doesn't even believe in himself. He will say anything at all to get an effect. |
Oh! How you'd like that to be so! But you know full well how "No Planes" is viewed by the majority around here, and if honesty was important to the critics, they'd be joining that majority in decrying it and demanding a proper investigation |
No planes at the WTC, no Boeings at the Pentagon and Shanksville, beam weapons, thermate and controlled demolition are all totally implausible and free from any evidence, why should we draw any distinction between them? The only CT which is at all plausible is that Flight 93 was shot down, and there is no evidence for that.
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| marky 54 wrote: | | Ignatz wrote: |
"... look at the flight manifests ... get them on the internet ... there are no Arab names ... "
This is just a bare-faced lie. On national TV. <<off>>
There goes your credibility, if you ever had any |
cool you found them? you found flight manifests with hijackers names on that are not photocopied, with penned over names and dotted line underneath atta's name(can happen when something is overlaying the original copy after pressing the copy button, or poor use of tipex when editing out the lines then copying again). link please then i can shut up about the photocopies. |
You miss the point marky, which is not whether the flight manifests have been altered or not, but that Shayler claimed that the flight manifests could be obtained from the internet and contained no Arab names. That is a lie.
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | marky 54 wrote: | | Ignatz wrote: |
"... look at the flight manifests ... get them on the internet ... there are no Arab names ... "
This is just a bare-faced lie. On national TV. <<off>>
There goes your credibility, if you ever had any |
cool you found them? you found flight manifests with hijackers names on that are not photocopied, with penned over names and dotted line underneath atta's name(can happen when something is overlaying the original copy after pressing the copy button, or poor use of tipex when editing out the lines then copying again). link please then i can shut up about the photocopies. |
You miss the point marky, which is not whether the flight manifests have been altered or not, but that Shayler claimed that the flight manifests could be obtained from the internet and contained no Arab names. That is a lie. |
ah i was'nt commenting on that just got my hopes up that someone had found originals with hijackers names  can i ask if the lie was that they cannot be obtained via internet? or that there is internet manifests with arab names on?(ie the photocopied ones). |
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| marky 54 wrote: | | ah i was'nt commenting on that just got my hopes up that someone had found originals with hijackers names can i ask if the lie was that they cannot be obtained via internet? or that there is internet manifests with arab names on?(ie the photocopied ones). |
This a mysterious line of enquiry.
You seem to be saying that somebody around here might get access to the paper original. How could that be possible when - I imagine - they're locked up somewhere in the USA? Then what? They bring it round to your house? For all you know that could be a fake too.
Anything we will ever see will be a copy or a photo, which would always be fakeable.
All you're saying here is that any paperwork or copy thereof can be faked, which is true. Even the "original" in a bank vault could be a fake.
What are you hoping to achieve by this line of questioning?
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| Ignatz wrote: | | marky 54 wrote: | | ah i was'nt commenting on that just got my hopes up that someone had found originals with hijackers names can i ask if the lie was that they cannot be obtained via internet? or that there is internet manifests with arab names on?(ie the photocopied ones). |
This a mysterious line of enquiry.
You seem to be saying that somebody around here might get access to the paper original. How could that be possible when - I imagine - they're locked up somewhere in the USA? Then what? They bring it round to your house? For all you know that could be a fake too.
Anything we will ever see will be a copy or a photo, which would always be fakeable.
All you're saying here is that any paperwork or copy thereof can be faked, which is true. Even the "original" in a bank vault could be a fake.
What are you hoping to achieve by this line of questioning? |
mmmm yet we see other documents on the web that show no signs of tampering, the list without the hijackers names is one example. |
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No planes at the WTC, no Boeings at the Pentagon and Shanksville, beam weapons, thermate and controlled demolition are all totally implausible and free from any evidence, why should we draw any distinction between them? The only CT which is at all plausible is that Flight 93 was shot down, and there is no evidence for that. |
So why spend ALL of your life loitering around here like some rent boy hanging around a public convenience? I will tell you why, because deep down in your subconscious you realise something is very wrong with the 9/11 official story and you are absolutely petrified.
Or youre a shill.
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Aren't flight manifests a text file printed off a computer? So wouldn't it be the easiest thing in the world to retype the original lists, and then add in the fake names, and then print them out?
There wouldn't be any photocopying errors or tippex stains. Why do you think the US government is so incompetent? I mean for example, I could fake letters from work, we have piles of pre-printed letterheaded A4. I wouldn't bother going and photocopying another letter and sellotaping and tippexing new words in here and there, I'd just use Word and print it out on a new letterheaded sheet.
Why is it I'm better at coming up with plausible conspiracy theories than the conspiracy theorists?
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | Aren't flight manifests a text file printed off a computer? So wouldn't it be the easiest thing in the world to retype the original lists, and then add in the fake names, and then print them out?
There wouldn't be any photocopying errors or tippex stains. Why do you think the US government is so incompetent? I mean for example, I could fake letters from work, we have piles of pre-printed letterheaded A4. I wouldn't bother going and photocopying another letter and sellotaping and tippexing new words in here and there, I'd just use Word and print it out on a new letterheaded sheet.
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Johnny Cloth-Ears solves the case.
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| prole art threat wrote: | | Bushwacker wrote: |
No planes at the WTC, no Boeings at the Pentagon and Shanksville, beam weapons, thermate and controlled demolition are all totally implausible and free from any evidence, why should we draw any distinction between them? The only CT which is at all plausible is that Flight 93 was shot down, and there is no evidence for that. |
So why spend ALL of your life loitering around here like some rent boy hanging around a public convenience? I will tell you why, because deep down in your subconscious you realise something is very wrong with the 9/11 official story and you are absolutely petrified.
Or youre a shill. |
You see? You are still useless at producing a convincing theory!
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | Aren't flight manifests a text file printed off a computer? So wouldn't it be the easiest thing in the world to retype the original lists, and then add in the fake names, and then print them out?
There wouldn't be any photocopying errors or tippex stains. Why do you think the US government is so incompetent? I mean for example, I could fake letters from work, we have piles of pre-printed letterheaded A4. I wouldn't bother going and photocopying another letter and sellotaping and tippexing new words in here and there, I'd just use Word and print it out on a new letterheaded sheet.
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where did i say the us goverment faked them? i was thinking more along the lines of who posted them but who knows, and they are photocopies any dimwit can see that, why isnt the unphotocopied version availble to see on the net? if theres no ammendments? again if there keen for us to see a photocopied version of the list why not the unphotocopied version? what has the unphotocopied version got on it that the photocopied version hasnt or vise versa? and i aint saying the photocopied version is fake im saying it could of been and just want see something that isnt if it exsists. to rule out the fake possibility, or to rule out the critic carnt stand being wrong about no hijackers names on the manifest so whacks of a copy and adds the names himself possibility also. |
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Anyone notice the moon landings boffin who was sat next to Shayler come out with that old chestnut "I have a friend, not a friend of a friend, a friend whose offices overlook the Pentagon and he saw a plane crash into it"
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just asking questions here ......
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| marky 54 wrote: | | where did i say the us goverment faked them? i was thinking more along the lines of who posted them but who knows, and they are photocopies any dimwit can see that, why isnt the unphotocopied version availble to see on the net? if theres no ammendments? again if there keen for us to see a photocopied version of the list why not the unphotocopied version? |
You ever work in an office by any chance? Everything gets photocopied so you can't write and draw all over it without messing up the original.
If the US government didn't fake it, then what are you accusing them of?
| Quote: | | what has the unphotocopied version got on it that the photocopied version hasnt or vise versa? and i aint saying the photocopied version is fake im saying it could of been and just want see something that isnt if it exsists. to rule out the fake possibility, or to rule out the critic carnt stand being wrong about no hijackers names on the manifest so whacks of a copy and adds the names himself possibility also. |
So you think the list has been faked by a critic? Why don't you contact the airline for a copy then?
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | marky 54 wrote: | | where did i say the us goverment faked them? i was thinking more along the lines of who posted them but who knows, and they are photocopies any dimwit can see that, why isnt the unphotocopied version availble to see on the net? if theres no ammendments? again if there keen for us to see a photocopied version of the list why not the unphotocopied version? |
You ever work in an office by any chance? Everything gets photocopied so you can't write and draw all over it without messing up the original.
If the US government didn't fake it, then what are you accusing them of?
| Quote: | | what has the unphotocopied version got on it that the photocopied version hasnt or vise versa? and i aint saying the photocopied version is fake im saying it could of been and just want see something that isnt if it exsists. to rule out the fake possibility, or to rule out the critic carnt stand being wrong about no hijackers names on the manifest so whacks of a copy and adds the names himself possibility also. |
So you think the list has been faked by a critic? Why don't you contact the airline for a copy then? |
if it was that easy it would be all over the web. also you presume alot i say they could of been faked in numerous posts, saying that it is not 100% with it being a photocopy of a photocopy and you come along saying that im accusing the us goverment blah blah blah and that i think its a fake and nothing more. if i was stopped by police on the street and they asked for some form of id and i gave them a photocopied birth certificate would they accept it? NO so why should the public when it justifys war and kills thoundsands of people. it may well be that it is a unamended copy of the manifest, but the one i saw may also of been tampered with. I DONT KNOW UNTILL I SEE THE ORIGINAL OR AT LEAST THE COPY OF THE ORIGINAL WITH NO PENNED OVER NAMES AND DASHED LINE UNDER ATTA'S NAME ECT. now if that dosnt explain my point theres nothing more i can say to get it through. i dont think its fake im saying it could of been faked and i know i use to mock up leaflets on photocopier adding pictures and words from seperate provided things they wanted on it (the cheaper method if they could'nt afford ink printed leafets). you cut out the needed things glue them to a piece of paper and copy, then you tipex out anylines caused from overlay and use that as the master copy to copy the required quantity, its easy and possible with the copied manifest regardless. |
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| so to sum up the manifest with names of arabs on that aggle riddim(correct if wrong) showed to everyone are not convincing but rather a matter of trust as to if you believe the documents to be a.real b.not tampered with. |
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