Questions for Shayler's Radio Show

[Annie]

Hi all

Shayler's radio show is on Resonance 104.4fm tonight at 8pm. It will also be available as an itunes podcast afterwards.

After the furore caused by his Sky interview (see the thread in Articles), some of which will be rehashed tonight, Andyb has offered to come into the studio with comments/questions for Dave. Unfortunately there is no phone-in facility at the studio.

People seem keen to challenge him on the NPT. This would be a good debate, but would raise the whole issue again on air. However, the audience is generally made up of our fellow travellers, so we probably wouldn't be alienating too many people new to 911.

What do people think?

And if we go for this, what do people want to say/ask??

Regards

Annie

[Busker]

On Sky he talked about planes melting into the buildings, lack of 'blow-back' etc.

I've never put too much store into the NPT, primarily because digital video is so easy to edit.

What makes him so sure no planes hit? Could the shoddy video be a straw man put out to divide the truthers?

If no planes hit, what would be used to synchronise the sound of planes overhead with the plane shaped punch-in hole in the side of the tower we've had thrust at us?

Is there any photographic proof of debris from a plane on adjacent buildings? (I seem to remember some junk on a street taped off and guarded that looked like an engine part.)

Might also be worth explaining, for people like me on the periphery, exactly what the NPT is and how it is supposed to have been executed.

Just a few ideas.

[Wokeman]

We all know what people saw on TV, but there does seem to be some question of what people saw if they were situated in a prime posisition in Manhatten that day, ie had there been a plane, did they see it or hear it before it hit the towers. On webfairy, a shot from the Naudet Bros vid, looking up from the camera's position a few feet from the ground, on the pavement very close to the WTC, I believe it was an FBI official standing there, who only reacts when the object hits the building. Had it been a plane it would have made a lot of noise as it approached, grabbing his attention immediately. But there was nothing of the kind, and that is what leads me to believe that the man only responded to the impact, an explosion. QED No plane. But don't quote me!

[Fallious]

[Jim]

Annie,

Is this the correct URL for the podcast? :-

http://marshall.jellycast.com/podcast/feed/5

Found at:

jellycast

http://www.jellycast.com/directory/index.php?page=jellycast&id=346

[marky 54]

i just think it would be helpfull to point out to people there is enough to be suspious without npt, that way people might take it upon themselves to research if the npt seems crazy to them.

[Declan]

I do not believe in the no plane theory and I prefer to stick to what I 'know' about what happened on 9/11 rather than what I 'believe' when I am trying to wake people up. I am not opposed to having a balanced debate on the topic, but I would suggest you keep it short and move on to other issues.

I would like to ask David has he ever consulted a physics expert about the 'physical anomalty' of the impact of the planes? The structure of a building is designed to carry the load from the floors above and to resist the wind load. It is not designed to withstand a heavy point load, such as that of the impact of an aeroplane, hitting it laterally (ie where the structure is least resistant). I don't have any problem believing that the force from a heavy aircraft could have broken through the structure of those buildings and 'melted' into the buildings

[Zabooka]

From what I know of from experience and of paying much attention to many other 'speakers' whom I admire very much. I know that one would definitely have to weight up the consequences.

There is nothing much to lose to not mention the No Plane Theory, from what I can see, however there seems much to lose to mention it. If it is brought up, one should say that this is personal opinion, not the opinion of the entire 911 Truthers, however... when you are the face on TV, or the voice on Radio, thus seen as the face or voice of the 911 Truth Movement, that may not be enough.

A speaker who represents a group, is responsible yes to what they have conviction in individually as to be TRUE, however also responsible to the group they represent. I had difficulties, when telling people about David Shayler and "7/7 Mind The Gap", when people would say something about the NPT and holograms. I had no answer, thus all other great work and effort (of David Shayler and 911 Truthers) that makes progress is rubbished away in many peoples perception.

I am a person who was an athiest and very strongly anti-Islam, who is now a Muslim. Many people who believe in God cant understand how some people dont believe in God, and many people who are Athiests can not understand how people can worship and believe in a God they cant see or know. Yet I could. Think about the many years I spent arguing against religion with people of many faiths. Then arguing in favour of Islam against other alternatives.

Now relate this to the 911 Truthers and 'Deniers'. When dealing with something of controversy, you have to put yourself in the seat of someone totally opposed to you and your argument and then work from there. Thus if I believed in something that I could not explain and defend from all refutations, I would have a problem believing in it, thus I would either give it up, search for an alternative or search for a good enough answer so that I have no doubt in my belief!

In Islam, you have to rationally and logically be able to support your beliefs and convictions intellectually. For doubt is opposite to belief, in Islam I can not have any doubt in my belief. I did not at first have any doubt in my Athiesm. Yet now, I have to always check myself by using the eyes of those who criticise me. Can I really defend myself?

Now with the NPT, I do not have enough knowledge to openly support it, that would be foolish, cause otherwise I would be made a fool, thus all other things that I support will end up to be things attributed to foolishness.

However, if David can really say something on NPT to be able to support and defend it well against the likely attacks, then great! Otherwise, it may have to wait some other time. We still have many people to convince that the 911 Commission was and is a fraud... and that steel buildings can not collapse because of planes hitting them and fires at free fall speed! So pushing NPT is perhaps going a bit too far and should wait till people have caught up on '911 Ommissions' and 'Improbable Collapse'.

Look at the wikipedia page on David Shayler and the Newstatesman article. People will stop reading anything more on David Shayler or reading the entire Newstatesman article, if they see that this person believes holograms were seen on 911. They will say, wait, dont even all the other 911 Truthers Documentaries evidently show that yes indeed it were planes? This confusion is not needed and really is giving 911 Truth more trouble than we already have, do not others agree?

Even though Fahrenheit 911 does not show that much in comparison to everything that has happened since it. If it were not for Fahrenheit 911, there would be very minimal doubt of 911 Official Story and those behind it. Imagine Michael Moore coming out with the NPT theory at the start...

Forgive me writing so much and perhaps going over the same points in different ways. I hope I can say people understand what I have tried to convey and I hope what I have been able to convey has been worth the while and useful to this thread. Much due respect to both David and Annie, I mean no dis-respect, I hold you both in the highest of regard. I still am hoping that both will be coming to my University to help organise a '911 Truth Awareness Week' on campus. I hope I have not said anything, in anyway, that may seem disrespectful to those who have a lot more knowledge on the subject than I do. Please enlighten and correct me where I need it.

[Zabooka]

One very important question I feel is this.

Where are we now as 'The British 9/11 Truth Campaign'?
What have we achieved and what have we not?
What things have we overcome and how, what have we not and why?

Where do we go from here?
What is needed?

What do you ask of all the 911 Truthers and Supporters?
Where do you hope to see the 911 Truth Movement?

Will a time come soon, when we will be able to have and hold huge 911 Truth Exhibitions across the country?

I wish we had someone who was an expert salesperson. They would be excellent in being able to talk to people and get them interested in things they are not interested in, ie Personal Health Insurance, joining a really expensive Gym, buying something they dont need or want etc...

I would like to learn the lore that Salespersons around the world share and to use it for the good of 911 Truth. For we are trying to sell something that is at times and places a lot more difficult to sell than Jamie Oliver's Favlour Shaker. If they can sell something totally USELESS and ridiculous for a really silly price, when it was made for tupence... why cant we sell something that we are trying to sell for free and is actually GOOD, actually INTERESTING and actually IMPORTANT?

[rodin]

Never been commerically viable! But I get your drift. What is needed is a simple message & graphic that works in the true Bernays style. Something like 'go to work on an egg' or 'britain isn't working'

Since the media who can be proven to be on the side that want to enslave us are Jewish (sorry) we can't go to Saatchi (Turkeys dont vote for Christmas). So like everything else we have to do it ourselves on less than a shoestring. But we have some things on our side

Right/Truth
Passion
Numbers

We need a snappy GLOBAL campaign. Before then we must very quickly decided what our message is.

Here is an idea. Pick the most incontestable lie about 911 and 7/7. Forget all other bits of evidence. Market these 2 lies as hard an as often as possible with cathcy slogans, easy to understand 1 par explanations, stark memorable graphics, hell I might even be able to come up with a catchy ditty...

www.d-notice.com
www.starstika.com
www.dissential.com

and myspaces for the above

For Shayler to say there was no plane is opening us to ridicule. Was that deliberate? For if it was we must excommunicate him. If he was misled into believing holograms, then he is a fool. You see there is no question, despite the temptation, he must be exposed as a clown or (IMO) worse. I wish I could've interviewed him.

You see, hard decisions have to be made if we are to get to the truth. We want a lean mean machine, not a flabby corrupted mish mash of incompatible hypothesis.

We should boil our message down to what we can ALL agree on, and meanwhile discuss everything else as much as we like, constantly fleshing out the details as new analyses and the occasional fresh evidence comes in. But the MESSAGE must be CLEAR and SIMPLE

How about 911 - explosions were recorded before the collapses fell? Complete with the soundwave etc. That would work on a poster.
7/7 The official govt. hijoker timetable and cancellation notice for the Luton train?

K I S S worx

[Zabooka]