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Ignatz
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 Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:35 am Post subject: Was it beam weapons after all? |
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From page 5 of a set of 9/11 photos at: http://911wtc.freehostia.com/gallery/index.html
(it resized itself !?!?) anyhoo go to the webite, page 5, last photo)
The famous "spire" is very clear.
The exterior and floor structures are down, away and in a cloud of dust (already billowing around WTC7), yet large sections of the core are only now peeling apart.
Seems to undermine any "mini nuke in basement" theory.
Seems to undermine progressive downwards CD of the core theory
Or does it? Any ideas?
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Bushwacker
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The centre photos on that same page 5, numbers 23 to 27, certainly show how very extensive the fires were, flames can be seen all across the two faces of the building visible on a number of floors, intense fires on a number of floors and smoke frrom others. It gives the lie to the idea that there was nothing more than a few smokey fires.
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Patrick Brown
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Here's a direct link to the pic: http://911wtc.freehostia.com/gallery/originalimages/GJS-WTC30.jpg
I figure the smoke/dust seen coming off the end of a core column to the left is suggestive of thermate. Remember one of the properties of a thermite reaction is the creation of aluminum oxide!
As for the core standing it's worth remembering that it did collapse a few seconds later and it went straight down. If only some of the core columns were being cut we could speculate that if some of the charges/devices didn't ignite then a portion of the core would remain intact. Then we could speculate that lower core charges did ignite and cause the remaining core to simply drop straight down as seen on video footage.
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Bushwacker
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | Here's a direct link to the pic: http://911wtc.freehostia.com/gallery/originalimages/GJS-WTC30.jpg
I figure the smoke/dust seen coming off the end of a core column to the left is suggestive of thermate. Remember one of the properties of a thermite reaction is the creation of aluminum oxide!
As for the core standing it's worth remembering that it did collapse a few seconds later and it went straight down. If only some of the core columns were being cut we could speculate that if some of the charges/devices didn't ignite then a portion of the core would remain intact. Then we could speculate that lower core charges did ignite and cause the remaining core to simply drop straight down as seen on video footage. |
Sorry, that link does not work. If you are suggesting a thermite reaction that is slow and melts through the metal, what Prof Jones suggests is thermate in a form that explodes, is it not?
I think what we see on the left are core columns being pulled down by the floor trusses, and the debris and some of the dust are concrete from the floors breaking up. Most of the dust is the gypsum wallboard from interior finishes and the lift shafts crumbling, I think.
Demolition charges on the core failing and then later igniting seems extremely unlikely. If there had been demolition charges, highly implausible in any event, they would have had to be set off in precise sequence to achieve the effect seen, which would have to be electronically controlled. While a smouldering length of fuse might fail and then re-ignite, it is hard to see how an electronic system could, even if the charges could remain intact on the spire while the rest of the building crashed past it.
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Patrick Brown
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | Sorry, that link does not work. |
Yes it does try again.
| Bushwacker wrote: | | If you are suggesting a thermite reaction that is slow and melts through the metal, what Prof Jones suggests is thermate in a form that explodes, is it not? |
I think he simply suggests thermite, thermate and derivatives thereof as well as more conventional explosives such as RDX.
| Bushwacker wrote: | | I think what we see on the left are core columns being pulled down by the floor trusses, and the debris and some of the dust are concrete from the floors breaking up. Most of the dust is the gypsum wallboard from interior finishes and the lift shafts crumbling, I think. |
If people look at the picture and ask themselves:
1. Does that dust/smoke look like a trail?
2. Can you imagine concrete or wallboard leaving such a trail?
3. OK if some form of thermite was used and the devices were placed inside the columns would we expect to see aluminum oxide coming from the falling column like fumes from a car exhaust?
| Bushwacker wrote: | | Demolition charges on the core failing and then later igniting seems extremely unlikely. If there had been demolition charges, highly implausible in any event, they would have had to be set off in precise sequence to achieve the effect seen, which would have to be electronically controlled. While a smouldering length of fuse might fail and then re-ignite, it is hard to see how an electronic system could, even if the charges could remain intact on the spire while the rest of the building crashed past it. |
They may have been set off by a radio controlled computer sequencing device. As some of the devices were placed inside core columns we can imaging that if one fell, due to the aircraft impacts and vibrations as the tower collapsed, that it would dislodge other devices in the same column as it fell.
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