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dry kleaner
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Hi I've posted this in the general area but felt it was also relevent here.
Hope you don't mind.
This is an extact from 'Spy' by Harry Ferguson. This page deals with how False Flag operations work and why you would need one. Harry Ferguson worked with MI6 as an anayist and later worked for HM Customs in the Kilo and Lima units. He was one of the presenters and trainers on the BBC show Spy in 2004.
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In the case of a False Flag recruitment, deniability is not even an issue since the agent himself thinks he is working for another country. In some cases services may even recruit under a False Flag, get the agent to commit an atrocity, then expose the agent to make it look as though some other country is responsible. The other country takes the blame. For instance, suppose Mossad were to recruit a number of Arabs who believed they ewer in fact working for al Qaeda. If they then committed an atrocity in the USA, the benefits for Israel in terms of increased funding and political support would be considerable.
A False Flag recruitment is used for one of two reason:
1. The target would never agree to work for your country for some national, religious or personal reason.
2. You want the agent to believe that they are working for another country so that if they are ever caught, another country will get blamed.
If you can pull it off the rewards can be great. The agent will work for you quite normally, but if he is ever captured, even if he is tortured or given truth drugs, he will swear to his dying day that he is working for someone else. It is not even that difficult to pull off - most people are so surprised to be asked to spy in the first place that it never crosses their mind that the people who are recruiting them aren’t who they say they are. With a little careful ‘set dressing’ to carry off the subterfuge, most agents are easily hooked.
The downside of such an operation is that if you are ever caught doing it the consequences for relations with the other country are likely to be severe, so this sort of operation is unlikely to be undertaken without very high level government approval and probably only against a country which is already your enemy.
Ferguson 2004:115
Spy
Harry Ferguson
ISBN 0-7475-7523-1 |
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dry kleaner
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Just in case it had been missed I thought I'd bump it to the top again.
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Annie
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Good spot, DK.
I thought I'd bump it up to the top again for you! And also take the opportunity to point out that Ferguson is yet another former spook who has signed the Official Secrets Act, writes novels based on his spy past, talks about it on TV, and still manages not to get prosecuted for a breach of the OSA!
It's amazing what you can get away with if you glamourise our criminal and incompetent spies, isn't it?
Bitter, moi???
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dry kleaner
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| Annie wrote: | Good spot, DK.
I thought I'd bump it up to the top again for you! And also take the opportunity to point out that Ferguson is yet another former spook who has signed the Official Secrets Act, writes novels based on his spy past, talks about it on TV, and still manages not to get prosecuted for a breach of the OSA!
It's amazing what you can get away with if you glamourise our criminal and incompetent spies, isn't it?
Bitter, moi???
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It's crazy. Gordievsky is another spy who is on TV about every once in a while. He even criticised Dame Stella Rimmingon for her book only to have released one himself ten years before which goes in great depth about spying techniques. lol.
We'll I guess you and Dave are the cool spies, like a good cult movie not on often but when you are its respected.
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John White
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Its a great extract, I find pieces like this very valuable, becuase they demonstrate the principle behind why intelligence agencies (and a wider definition of groups that operate on secrecy) do what they do
Its an interesting point you make Annie about how certain ex operatives can get away with fictionalising their insight and experaince for profit and public digestion IF they essentially produce glamourous and/or seductive PR...and blur the lines along specified edges no doubt (dis-information)
The problem (especially for joe public outsider, like myself) reading such stuff is always seperating out the personality of the author from the gems contained within
I'd love to see a book that was a simple description of the techniques, perhaps with a glossary at the back detailing test cases: something neutral but historically compelling, and equally unfavourable to East or West, Left or Right. Half the battle with encouraging others to look at the evidance and question authorities is the simple problem of accepting that people (and organisations) in authority are even capable of thinking and acting like that...of course, this is what Goebals was refering to with his infamous speach about "the bigger the lie"
Maybe its all ready out there
Do you or David have any particular literary recommendations?
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kbo234
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| John White wrote: |
I'd love to see a book that was a simple description of the techniques... |
Yes....The 'Intelligence Services'.....an analysis of the different types of activities they undertake.....To whom are they responsible.......What are the real aims and objectives of these services.....Who are the agents?... to what extent do they recognise each other?...What percentage are full-time..(or embedded and paid for doing other work)?
An credible exposé from someone like David or Annie would definitely be a big seller....but would anyone print it? |
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