BBC Conspiracy Files examines David Kelly's murder

[scubadiver]

reported by Sunday Times

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2450132,00.html

[adam1]

Thanks for the link; I think we may see this get squashed at an early stage - there is just too much riding on it, especially for Blair in his final months. has anyone in the Beeb got the balls? Alternatively, we may see a load of baloney presented as fact, as the state propaganda machine hits the turbo button.

[Thermate]

apparently noone has tried to stop them making it, yet. the early publicity should help prevent that happening too... with luck.

[ian neal]

Interview with Norman Baker MP on GMTV July 2006

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4780290451650428491&q=david+ kelly

[Hazzard]

Not to mention the fact that the medication was inserted into his body after the time of death.

But we wont mention that little piece of information now will we.

Oh oh and then the fact that he was moved......after his died.

But hey those are only small discrepancies!

What a joke.

[Pincher]

Some of you may already be familiar with Rowena Thursby's blog.

For those of you who are not:

http://dr-david-kelly.blogspot.com/2006/10/british-diplomat-david-brou cher.html

For what it's worth I will be amazed if the BBC airs this film. Unless. of course, it lends credibility to the barmy theory that French and Iraqi intelligence carried out the hit...

[karsey]

guys apparently the news editor has talked about the conspiracy season and has said he wants to lay the crazy ideas to rest.....

get your emails in to bbc now!

[Keith Mothersson]

I found this very interesting by Toad with comments by Sinclair which was on this thread at the excellent J7 discussion forum:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/index.php?showtopic=240&st=42
which has further material and discussion of Kelly, as does the Kelly Investigation Group blogsigte (obviously) http://dr-david-kelly.blogspot.com/

From http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/view...riverbank#82100

"This from my friends on the river bank:

Hutton is a jigsaw puzzle. And like all the best puzzles there was a piece missing. Some people have found the missing piece, but they keep trying to put it in upside-down.

1998 - Mai Pederson attached to Kelly as UNSCOM translator.

1998 - UNSCOM out of Iraq

1998 - Tom Mangold presents Panorama documentary revealing extensive infiltration of UNSCOM by national security services.

1998+ Pederson / Kelly relationship remains close

2000-2003 MoD becomes suspicious of Kelly's relationship with Pederson. Begins moving Kelly towards the door marked 'exit', but does it quietly so as not to alarm Kelly or his friends overseas. No grading increase, retirement age reduced from 65 to 60, moved to PR role with no access to classified information.

May 2003 Gilligan interviews senior member of HMG, who makes the Campbell 45 minute claim 'off the record'. Gilligan cannot run the story without a creditable source, so is pointed to Kelly as 'unattributable' MoD source.

Gilligan goes to Kelly, tells him he knows the 45 minute claim is fictitious and plays the 'name game', then goes home and writes up his piece overnight using info from souce 1 effectively attributed to Kelly. Kelly is baffled by Gilligan's interview, but once Gilligan's piece goes out he realises he has been set up. He writes to MoD to admit the unauthorised interview but denies he is the original source of Gilligan's information.

Kelly is called to meeting with line managers and told that orders from on high dictate that he will be the 'fall guy' or will lose his pension and find his relationship with Pederson plastered across the front page of the Telegraph and tv news. What Kelly did not realise was that this was a bluff. MoD were well aware of Pederson's actual role and would never have allowed the name to come out in this way at the time.

Kelly does as he's told and goes before the parliamentary committee and ISC. This should be the end of it, except that Kelly broods on it and decides he will take steps to clear his name. Unfortunately, to do this he has to admit to the Pederson relationship. throughout the whole saga Kelly has been in close touch with Pederson, who has been reporting back to her masters. On July 17th Kelly tells Pederson he is going to leave his wife and going to the press to clear his name. Pederson reports immediately to her managers, the alarm bells go off in Washington as they believe she is about to be 'outed' and it's "goodnight Vienna".

Here's why:

The CIA did to Kelly what they did to everyone, lied to him about Iraq's WMD. The difference is that they thought Kelly's position as MoD bio-weapons expert would allow him to influence the policy of HMG.

Here's how it was done: Pederson was a US airforce translator working from Arabic to English. After the removal of UNSCOM from Iraq in 1998, evidence of WMD capability came from satellites and smuggled documents. These would land first on the desk of Ms Pederson and her colleagues for translation, before passing to the scientists for analysis, who then advised USG.

In the case of Pederson, however, the documents did not come from Iraq, but from the CIA. Pederson 'leaked' fake intelligence to Kelly over an extended period, which she claimed came from smuggled Iraqi documents indicating the existence of WMD. By 2003, Kelly was completely convinced not only of the existence of WMD in Iraq, but also believed he knew what they were and where they were.

However, when Kelly attempted to go to Iraq (post invasion) to locate them, he found his was mysteriously barred. On a first occasion his official visa proved worthless and he was turned back at Kuwait. On a second occasion he found himself confined to an airbase for the duration of his stay on security grounds.

There may be some evidence that shortly before his death, Kelly became aware of the nature of Pederson's information. In preparation for his next planned visit to Iraq Kelly appears to have shared informaton from Pederson with Gabriele Kraatz-Wadsack, a German army weapons inspector and biological weapons expert. It appears from her reply, however, that she was less than convinced as to the veracity of the information, as made clear by the 'concerns' she expressed.

In short, Kelly's death was the result of two conspiracies colliding. The first being the civil war within the cabinet of HMG, which nearly resulted in the exposure of the second, USG's plans to help HMG make up its mind with regard to Iraq's WMD.

Ultimately, it wasn't murder or suicide, but a series of unfortunate accidents.

Trouble with this jigsaw puzzle is, once you put it together, you realise it's just a part of a much bigger puzzle."

Comments by Sinclair:
Pederson wasn't CIA or working for the CIA, but for military intelligence (although I suppose she could have been cross-posted); there is no reason to believe Kelly was going to leave his wife;

the Iraq warmongering plans go back to the late 1990's, and part of Pederson's job was to 'process' faked Iraq documents to create the intelligence dossier used within the American government to press for war, a process that was so successful it is still influencing opinion in Washington (David Kay's recent comments prove that the whole thing was a lie);

Pederson met Kelly, saw a weakness in him, and exploited that weakness through converting him and turning him into a back channel by which the Pentagon could funnel some of this misleading data on Iraq to the British government;

Judith Miller may have been a witting or unwitting part of this, buttering Kelly up by praising him in a book and being one of the last persons he e-mailed, perhaps indicating a constant line of communication (with more American intelligence lies on Iraq funneled to Kelly to influence the British government);

German Lieutenant-Colonel Gabriele Kraatz-Wadsack may also have played a role in miseducating Kelly by feeding him fake documents, but it is more likely that it was her 'concerns' that started to tip Kelly off to the fact that he had been had;

the fact that Gilligan had two sources for his story, one high up in the MoD or elsewhere in the British government, explains why Kelly was confused about the contents of Gilligan's reporting (he thought he was Gilligan's source but couldn't understand where Gilligan got information Kelly hadn't told him; this was so confusing Kelly had started to doubt his own memory), and why Kelly saw 'dark actors playing games', as he knew what he told Gilligan would not in itself be a breach of any confidentiality agreements (but what the secret source told Gilligan would have been, thus setting Kelly up for the treatment he received at the hands of the MoD and Blair's operators);

Kelly was being used as a backdoor conduit of information from the Pentagon to the MoD, and simultaneously was used by his female contacts (Pederson and possibly Miller) to get inside information to the Pentagon on the status of thinking on Iraq in the MoD and the progress the MoD was having in motivating the Blair government (despite Hoon's lies about it, Kelly had had a lunch with Hoon not long before all this mess started, showing how well connected he actually was, and how useful he would be as a two-way conduit of information);

Kelly honestly believed the lies he was being fed by Pederson until his suspicions were raised in the process of meeting to discuss Blair's dossier, when he began to realize that he was being used, and started the process of discovering what was really going on;

fundamentalists in the Bahá'í faith found out about Kelly's misgivings when he gave his presentation to a group of Bahá'í members in October, and manipulated Kelly to keep quiet about his misgivings until after the war so that the defeat of Saddam would open up the Bahá'í pilgrimage sites in Baghdad and revitalize a failing religion (Kelly probably justified this to himself on the basis that Saddam had to be taken out sometime anyway, even though he presented no imminent danger, and Kelly may have still been partly misled by Pederson's documents);

the peculiar nuances in Kelly's positions on the war are explained by the fact he was trying to balance his commitment to the truth, his anger at being lied to and manipulated in the creation of the dossier, his gradual realization that Pederson had been feeding him lies over the years, and his continuing loyalty to the Bahá'í faith, whose leaders saw a benefit in the attack on Iraq;

Kelly was murdered either because he was regarded as a traitor by someone in the MoD or British Intelligence, or because the Americans feared he would disclose the intelligence nature of the relationship with Pederson and that the information he was being given was Pentagon lies intended to influence British government opinion; and

the bottom line is that David Kelly died because he somehow fouled up or threatened to foul up the secret line of communications between American military intelligence to the British government whereby lies, not just those involving Iraq, are fed to the British government to influence British actions along lines favorable to the Pentagon.

Keith comments:
This sounds very coherent to me, makes sense of his bewilderment, and the sense you get of a good man, who had yet been used, and was finally in too deep to be allowed to defect. I think the Pedersen friendship/??affair?? could be part of what encourages his poor wife to not to want to rock the boat now that he has gone anyway.

[Hazzard]

Oh wonderful the BBC is going to tell us what to think again.

[Mark Gobell]

Very interesting information there Keith & Sinclair. Thanks.

As for Bliar's bs Corporation the clue is in their mission statement: We intend to quash conspiracy theories . . .

What else do we need to know.

A thought.

If, as we are constantly told, us conspiracists are mad, bad, insane and irrational, not to be believed and now verging on enemy combatants etc etc then why oh why do they constantly ignore us when we plea for access to their publications and then spend so much of our money denigrating our ideas and theories.

Surely, you wouldn't spend time and money trying to undermine a position unless you had good reason to.

This attention shows their hand more than any stonewalling could ever do.

[Keith Mothersson]

I agree we are being gradually 'worked' culturally into the punishment zone, but I also think we agree that this is not inevitable.

The attention they give us could backfire if we keep responding with as much skill an patience and goodwill and determination as we can muster, gradually making links from Kelly and Diana (I note a lot of cross linkages in the recent Diana coverage) to Iraq WMD conspiracy to deceive/frame-up/crime against peace and also to 911 and the sequence of False Flag Terrorism.

'They' have the big media but we have the truth on our side (more or less) and around the world there are many millions of people who have no particular fear of adding two and two to make 4, in fact millions already have!

That said, I do think that if we keep arguing back (especially if we dare to include Mossad/Zionism as being among the perps) then non-Muslim truth tellers could begin to suffer the sort of repression that many Muslims have already been living under. It is even possible that we might see 'Denial laws' against denial of Holocaust and 911. Thought crime laws. So you are right that the logic of their denialism is to need to demonise and/or pathologise us. Which is why it is potentially so dangerous that Cockburn and Larry O'Hara and Mil Rai and Chomsky et al develop a seeming 'progressive' anti-'anti-semitic' discourse for dissing 'conspiracy people', it gives lots of political space for the PTB to prepare to move to clamp down on 'Internet rumour mongering' which 'distracts' from dealing with the 'real problems', etc.

It is up to us to not mirror image that scapegoating into a tribalistic response againsnt either the PTB or the Left Gatekeepers which can be used to descredit us as the weird 'Cult'.

The truth is that this struggle for truth is ultimately an existential challenge to each of us to grow and keep rising to the challenge, with our tone and intent as decisive in the end quite as much as any clever content we can and must assemble and keep offering out there.

[Hazzard]

Yes Keith those are some very good pionts. What I fear most however is when they start bombing orphinages, and start claiming that it was 9/11 truth seekers in some oddball deranged link of some sort.