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Timeline of CNN's "reality tv" hoax on 911

 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: Timeline of CNN's "reality tv" hoax on 911 Reply with quote

Very interesting article, sure to bring a tear to some truthlings.

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/911chron_timeline_nico.html
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I totally agree with this scenario. I spotted the fake aircraft on Sept 11 2001 and have been most vociferous about it ever since. It has had me banned from several "truthseeker" sites.

http://www.positiontoknow.com/S-11/vid/wtc2-p.mpeg

BBC - No Plane hitting Nth Tower

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1535000/video/_1538186_wtc_firstcrash_vi .ram

CNN - No plane hitting the Nth Tower

http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/09/12/first.plane.hits.gp.med.ram
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No planes is kinda extreme, I definately believe some of the hit footage is fake tho.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it "kinda extreme"?

I saw the fake airplane LIVE on the day.

Why did you post that link if you disagree with it? Just for others to troll and argue?

Can you see an airplane in either of the "rams" I just posted?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why did you post that link if you disagree with it? Just for others to troll and argue?



Say please and thank you and I will divulge my thoughts.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lmao. Pretty please. How's that?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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lmao. Pretty please. How's that?


Perfect.

This theory which pertains that planes weren't used is extremely divise and that is certainly not the reason for my posting it. People on this board fell out big style last summer over how others interpret footage we have seen from 9/11. I tend to favour freedom of speech, if someone is wrong the it can be pointed out.

My PERSONAL view is that some of the hits are fake(to say the least), analysis here highlights reasons how much of the footage was shot by people with odd backgrounds. I also have original footage from the day and witnesses claim 'F11' was a missile and the only evidence we have to support otherwise is the suspect Naudet documentary. As for 'F175', how many STILL IMAGES, not video exist of the plane before it penetraited the WTC?

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It would be nice if Scott Myers, the alleged "amateur photographer" of
the Ghostplane footage
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane/vanishment
http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/noplane2
http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/2explosion
would come clean. He is a contractor for NIST tho.

This is research Nico Haupt dug up about him:

What Scott Myers 'filmed' is a big joke.
He is Software Development Consultant at NIST.
http://zing.ncsl.nist.gov/hfweb/proceedings/meyers-jones/
And this guy should be credible?

...and who is Desktop Labratories (NA)

Fax:
12 John Street DP12
New York, NY 10038-4000 ??
http://web.archive.org/web/20020722063620/http://desktoplabs.com/
Scott Myers DeskTop Laboratories 12 John Street DP12
New York

...well, he's working on "3D motion capture, graphing
and trial management" since 1996!!!
http://homepage.mac.com/scottmyers/desktoplabs/3d/index3dPro.html

u wanna see his pre-9/11 twin tower??

It's here:
http://homepage.mac.com/scottmyers/desktoplabs/images/3D-Grapher-scree nshot.jpg



http://photoshop911.batcave.net/

http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/prod/dialspace/town/pipexdsl/q/aqrf00/ ggua175/

What's your opinion then?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll just answer quickly for now - busy day.

Most of the "photos" of 175 are stills from the fake video footage.

Invisible wings, engines in the wrong place, no specular highlights, cant read the AA carrier logo, tail fin changes shape in each photo, no windows. In some it resembles a black blob, with a wing growing out the top.

Now please lookee here.

http://www.positiontoknow.com/S-11/vid/2ndPlaneCrash.mpeg

Watch this footage frame by frame. Most telling are frames 64/65/66 - the fake plane disappears behing the scaffolding on a distant building.

I take it the naysayers have nopt read the Northwoods Documents. Fake planes, fake passenger lists, fake funerals, etc etc. Sort of like the London Bombings.

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The first proposal is for "a series of well-coordinated incidents" to take place in and around the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; these were to include having friendly Cubans dress in Cuban military uniforms to start riots at the base, blow up ammunition inside the base, to start fires, to burn aircraft on the air base, to sabotage a ship in the harbor, and to sink a ship near the harbor entrance.

That was just the start. The next proposal elaborated: "A 'Remember the Maine' incident could be arranged.... We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," or blow up a drone ship in Cuban waters. The memorandum coldly predicted: "Casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

The memorandum continues:

"We could develop a Communist Cuba terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on the lives of Cuban refugees in the United States...."

"Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrests of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents also would be helpful...."

Among other actions proposed were to use fake Soviet MiG aircraft to harass civil aircraft, to attack surface shipping, and to destroy U.S. military drone aircraft. "Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft" were also suggested, and then—the most elaborated plan of all—to simulate the shooting down of a chartered civil airliner in Cuban airspace.

President Kennedy rejected the plan, and Lemnitzer directed that all the pertinent documents be destroyed. Nevertheless, some of the documents did survive, although hidden by heavy classification for decades.

To the astute reader, the potential parallels with recent events should be chilling.


http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/



Would anybody care to point out ONE piece of aluminium airplane debris?

How could an aluminium airplane penetrate past ^4 lateral concrete floors each 6 inches thick - an acre in size encased in steel frames? It would have been sliced up into sections on impact.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have confused me Banish, do you think the airplanes were fake or the hits were fake?

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/contradictions1.html

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/1725422_comment.php#1725541
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were NO airplanes IMO.

They may have been CGI's but I personally think it was done in a cheaper cheesier way. CGI Planes would have looked more convincing.



This is a plane?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banish wrote:
There were NO airplanes IMO.

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There is no way you could substantiate the claim from the available evidence but you could prove some of the footage was fake.

Do you think Mark Burnback was lying?

Mark Burnback, an employee of FOX News said the plane that hit the second tower had no windows, Burnback was very clear about that. The plane had some kind of blue logo on the front near the nose and looked like a cargo plane. This point was driven to the viewer several times along with the comment from this FOX employee that "this plane wasn't from around here or anything you'd see take off from the airport." [/quote]
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Banish wrote:
There were NO airplanes IMO.

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There is no way you could substantiate the claim from the available evidence but you could prove some of the footage was fake.

Do you think Mark Burnback was lying?

Mark Burnback, an employee of FOX News said the plane that hit the second tower had no windows, Burnback was very clear about that. The plane had some kind of blue logo on the front near the nose and looked like a cargo plane. This point was driven to the viewer several times along with the comment from this FOX employee that "this plane wasn't from around here or anything you'd see take off from the airport."
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Aw cmon ffs you take the word of a FOX employee?

Yes he was lying.

Give me any photo you like of any of the plane shots and I will debunk it.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your word against his is a close choice ;->
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ally wrote:
Your word against his is a close choice ;->


I dont work for FAUX news,.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:55 am    Post subject: Fight battles we can win Reply with quote

Personaly i think this blue screen no plane idea is poisoning the well.
There were to many people on the streets looking at the3 towers and pointing their cameras.
Its divisive and something the main stream media i imagine are waiting to use,ha ha the conspiracy theorists even think the planes were false for example.
Theres more than enough evidence to fight on, the near freefall ,impossible without explosives, we have Newton and Gallileo on our side.The seismic recordins,the 16ft hole at the pentagon and no damage to grass.All the put options at the stock exchange etc etc
Lets fight battles we can prove and win.
Dont muddy the waters.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with sickriver.

PLEASE LET'S STOP POISONING THE WELL!

LET'S STICK TO WHAT WE ALL KNOW IS CLEAR.

WTC1, WTC2 AND WTC BLDG. 7 WERE BROUGHT DOWN BY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION THEREFORE A FULL PUBLIC ENQUIRY IS NEEDED.

Peace,

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sonic wrote:

PLEASE LET'S STOP POISONING THE WELL!



I don't agree, that's a slur.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had heard that this theory was a hoax meant to discredit the truth movement?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard lots of different angles of the evidence are hoaxes meant to discredit the truth movement. There have been so many claims and counter claims espacially amongst certain US campaigners and especially by the prponents of this hypothesis that this site aims to take a different tack: it seeks unity on the basis that we ALL agree that 'when taken in totality the evidence overwhelmingly supports the need to reopen 9/11'

Hopefully building unity regardless of whether you believe in planes or no planes. pods or no pods, hijackers or fly by wire, imminent peak oil or no peak, etc, etc.

So I would not seek to censor debate of any evidence or hypothesis. At the same time I personally find this evidence less than compelling especially when compared with other much stronger evidence. Our main challenge is to win over new supporters and this is not where I would start when introducing 9/11
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bu$hleaguer101 wrote:
I had heard that this theory was a hoax meant to discredit the truth movement?


did u read the links n00b?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its probably unwise for me to introduce myself to a board by arguing against one of its members, but it IS too far a streatch to say that there were no planes involved at all. Even if you do have supporting evidence, its too outlandish a claim and will garner no support for this cause, just incite people against it.

"Would anybody care to point out ONE piece of aluminium airplane debris?

How could an aluminium airplane penetrate past ^4 lateral concrete floors each 6 inches thick - an acre in size encased in steel frames? It would have been sliced up into sections on impact."

But were arguying that explosives were used, both in the building and on the plane, in an extremely precise manner so as to shatter all the evidence and 'vapourise' the plane.

Certainly, when I begin my campaign of presenting evidence to people, I will not start out by saying 'there were no planes that hit the twin towers', ill be lynched immidiatley. Far better to concentrate on wtc 7, and the implosion.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that point has been repeated several times but it does seem like some of the hit footage is faked for whatever reason.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&a ddress=125x79351

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/03/who-really-took-famous-ca rmen-taylor.html
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sickriver,

I agree, although I would add that the Seismic readings don't appear to prove the use of explosions from the analysis I've read. Also the '16ft' hole is an old mistake and really needs to stop being said. The holes caused by the wings were much larger and destroyed many of the ground floor pillars. The 16ft claim comes from the bad photos where the fireman spraying the foam covers much of the image. Check out the other angles and you can actually see al lot more damage. I'm still undecided as to what hit it, but my point here is that the damage was a lot closer to a plane crash than it has been claimed.

My other point regards the 'no plane theories' - - I always come back to the point of, "wouldn't it just be easier and more reliable to just highjack some planes via remote control and fly them into the buildings. Why is that so hard to believe? - It's the easiest option in my books.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nico Haupt is not claiming that no plane was used. His position it seems to me after listening to the interview is that what we are seeing is not what hit the building, whatever hit it, if anything, has been digitally masked.

I do agree that when introducing the subject of the lie it would be counterproductive to include what would appear to most as outlandish.
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