Crack, the mafia and a Very British coup

[TonyGosling]

The revelation that all three of the 7/7 bombers were involved in the crack cocaine dealing scene in and around Beeston, Leeds, should come as no suprise.
http://www.radiodialect.net/index.php?cmd=blog&blogId=78 [towards the end of this podcast]

The picture painted for us that these lads were devout Muslims steeped in the Koran and affairs of the local mosques starts to wear a bit thin ... just like 9/11 suicide pilot Mohammed Atta's penchant for strip clubs and vodka. But remembering what happened to the Jews in early 1930's Germany isn't that what we might expect?
The revelation comes from Adrian Connock, webmaster of the best international resource on the London bombings namely www.officialconfusion.com/77/

The premise that devout followers of the prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, have a predisposition to destroy the over-liberal values of Western society with violence is a misnomer. They want to do so by persuasion something the British press doesn't appear to get very excited about and hardly ever explains. Of course the persecution and, yes, racism, that Asians and Arabs are subjected to these days will be a seed of anger in their hearts but any individual that follows the prophet closely will know that, like Moses and Jesus Christ before him Mohammed preached tolerance and advised his followers to be slow to anger and to try every route to peace. Hardly a suicide bomber & killer of innocent civillians' charter.
Mohammed Siddique Kahn's heavily edited video is the only official evidence which has been released, or more correctly leaked, pointing to his wish to avenge the wrongs done against the Islamic world by Western nations and International Financial Institutions. The video unfortunately, due to the heavy editing and lack of lip-synch, could never be taken seriously by a court of law, thankfully for the crooks that overdubbed and edited it.
Journalistically challenged luvvies such as Fiona Bruce, the invisible croak voiced Daleks who tell her what to think from the gallery and their 'trial by television' tools are the only way to get a busy public to take the suicide bomber line seriously.
Turns out of course that the key 'muslim fundamentalist' at the demo in London after the publication of the cartoons of the prophet Mohamed was actually - again - a crack cocaine dealer. Now, presumably back in jail after breaking his probation. And not flavour of the month with those of the Islamic faith who he's dropped in it.
Crack cocaine dealing activities of the 7/7 bombers are also evidence of a close collaboration with international organised crime, aka. the Mafia who are much more likely to be the nefarious force behind the bombings and, as anyone who has been following this story knows, the evidence that these lads were suicide bombers simply is not there, unless you count selected anonymous press leaks and selected CCTV stills as evidence.
Why, then, has the government stalled all attempts at a public enquiry on the bombings? Don't they want to stop the next one?
Or could it be that the international criminals who look likely to be behind the 50 deaths on 7/7/05 have such influence that they are also in a strong position within the British government?

If there were ever an excuse for a Very British Coup to take place to remove the dishonest NeoCon puppets who, like Doctor Who's aliens, have colonised the British Executive then surely it is now. Brigadeer Lethbridge Stewart where are you now in our hour of need. With the sheepish Labour party spellbound by blue eyed PR boy Tony and his witch doctors a military coup might be the only way to rid Britain of corruption.
'Glorifying terror'? Perish the thought

[Ally]

[Rory Winter]

A VERY BRITISH COUP?




"If there were ever an excuse for a Very British Coup to take place to remove the dishonest NeoCon puppets who, like Doctor Who's aliens, have colonised the British Executive then surely it is now. Brigadeer Lethbridge Stewart where are you now in our hour of need. With the sheepish Labour party spellbound by blue eyed PR boy Tony and his witch doctors a military coup might be the only way to rid Britain of corruption.

'Glorifying terror'? Perish the thought."

So writes Tony Gosling, 911 Truth organiser, in his recent article, 'Crack, the mafia and a very British coup', http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=1188

A coup? What, here in the United Kingdom, where its politicians are elected to Westminster, 'the Mother of Parliaments?'

Well, historically maybe so, maybe not. But whether or not you believe all the lies of self-glorification and spin that accompany a decaying, still unburied corpse of Empire to its grave, after the Bliar virus infected the Labour Party, deceived a nation desperate for an antidote to Thatcherism and fooled itself into power through a landslide election there's nothing much left of Mother.

Mother was expelled a long time ago to join all the other hundreds of thousands of homeless who sleep in Albion's streets every night. Destitute, she was replaced by something far more akin to the mythical Whore of Babylon who with shameless bling and endless sleaze turned Westminster into a haunt for some diabolical motherfu*kers.

When politics becomes corrupt and decadent, look out, for totalitarianism won't be a long way off. As Washington's chief quisling in Europe, that wouldn't concern the Bliar and his lickspittles very much as totalitarianism is very much on his menu d'jour for the rest of us. He screwed the Labour party, he screwed the electorate and now he's screwing Parliament.

Have a look at this movie-clip of Tony's best chum, Silvio Berlusconi. http://www.break.com/index/primeminister.html. Doesn't it tell you everything you need to know about the gangsters and war-criminals who sneaked in through their Legislatures' tradesman's entrance when they thought no one was looking?

I do not relish the idea of a military coup. As far as we know, the last time such a thing was seriously entertained it was by a bunch of extremist right-wing nutters whose politics would fit nicely in with the Straussian neo-cons from whom the Bliar presently takes his marching orders. Maybe Bliar's idea is to so undermine parliamentary democracy that any future thoughts of the need for a military coup would simply be cancelled out by his own style of dictatorship? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-2049791,00.html

Talk of military coups come when folk begin to get seriously desperate. And that is the point many in both the USA and UK are approaching. So I do not belittle Tony Gosling's views when I have felt similar, probably with several million others throughout the land. Faced with what is effectively a two-party dictatorship what hope is there for any radical change through the ballot-box?

So what would a very British coup look like? Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, PM for Life, Britain's second Cromwell?

Now if it were a decent guy like Castro or Hugo Chávez at the coup's vanguard I wouldn't mind so much but, really, an Evo Morales would be much more to my personal taste than a General Sir Mike Jackson (aka "Macho Jacko","Darth Vader", the "The Prince of Darkness"). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Jackson

Any socially-concerned, democratic generals or officers out there?

http://chimesofreedom.blogspot.com/

[astro3]

I believe that Tony G is mistaken in suggesting that all three of the lads from Leeds (please, don’t call them bombers) sold drugs. It is true that Shahzad Tanweer and Hasib Hussein would drive around, selling crack cocaine and cannabis, from Tanweer's red Mercedes: these two were a known item on the poverty-struck streets of Dewsbury, in Leeds. But - not Khan.
Mohammed Khan taught youngsters, and reckoned he had skills by way of getting them off drugs, as well as in conflict-resolution. Putting aside unwarranted speculation, and posthumous character-blackening, let’s remember him with the words of Mrs Balfour, wife of the Labour MP John Trickett: "He was great with the children and they all loved him … He did so much for them, helping and supporting them and running extra clubs and activities."
Khan wrote of this professional skill of his: "I'm energetic, I [look for a] way of bettering things … Can build up trust and rapport with disillusion, understanding and empathy .. I feel patience and understanding comes through experience and maturity … I constantly analyse society and speak to people regarding current issues. I consider my ability to empathise with others and listen to their problems as well as offer viable solutions to be one of my strong assists."
That's who he was. www.officialconfusion.com/77/themen/menpre77/110306independenrtKhanLEA file.html

[Rory Winter]

Thank you so much for reminding us about what a good soul Mohammed Khan was. I cannot fully express the fury that seethes within me about how Bliar and his lickspittles in the secret services set up those poor lads as the scapegoats for their own disgusting black ops.

God protect their parents.

What Bliar & Co did was obscene and racist in the n'th degree and no punishment is severe enough for them.

It's time for the victim-communities to take a few pages from the Black Panthers because whitey is a bully and a coward who only changes his ways after a good whupping.

Local self-defence groups are necessary for all of us to find effective ways to protect our freedoms from the new, neo-con nazis who Biar and Cameron represent.

[ian neal]

Hi venceremos

There are certain things we can take from the Black Panthers for sure: no fear, stand up and be counted, speak the truth to power, great fashions and brand awareness, a sense of outrage and thirst for justice and 'we're not going take this * no more' attitude. No more victimhood

IMO the pages of the Black Panthers we should be learning from are on civil disobdience and mobilisation and not any pages on the militant strategies involving violent direct action. Any violence or threats of violence will play directly into the PTB's hands.

What we all need to realise is that it is v unlikely that this will come to a head through another officially sanctioned inquiry. This will be won in the court of global public opinion. When a majority of public opinion shares our belief that 9/11 (and related events) are (in all probability) fake terror and the PTB are lying and covering up and when we know that we are the majority then the games up for the PTB. The system relies on our cooperation with it. Remove that co-operation through general strikes, consumer boycotts, conscientious refusal to pay taxes or fight wars, etc and their system is paralysed and we win.

That was the lesson from Ghandhi's defiance of Britain's salt taxes and the lesson applies as much today

[Ally]

[Rory Winter]

Ian, I agree with you about the futility of using physical force. Unless our forces were greater (which clearly they are not) then it would be a waste of time. A civil war would be a different matter where forces would be divided.

I am not convinced that pacifism works. Gandhi's salt tax is not a perfect example because he was dealing with an already demoralized, bankrupted Empire which was on the verge of giving self-determination.

Ultimately, Gandhi was unable to stop partition and MLK was assassinated. Pacifist non-violence is a great idea and should be practised where possible. But it wouldn't have worked either against a Hitler or the US occupiers in Irak.

[paul wright]

Vive les Francais
They always prove willing to take on the state rather than simply acquiesce,perhaps a bit more involvement and ownership rather than the typically consuming UK dumbdown
Makes you want to move there, doesn't it?

[Rory Winter]

I agree, dh, the French are generally more outspoken, fiery and disinclined to accept authority. The Spanish also.

Compared to them there is a certain herd-mentality among the Brits which I can only assume comes from their conditioning from Norman times.

On the whole, still a nation of shop-keepers I would say!

[Rory Winter]

Having listened very carefully to the Radio Dialect source of the allegations that the Beeston boys were involved in selling crack, it's very clear that these allegations are no more than rumour and practically impossible to prove.

Adrian Connack from Official Confusion has long held to the theory that the boys were being used as drug-mules and duped by the secret services. It is he who claims to have it confirmed that the boys were drug dealers when he went up to Beeston to interview "neighbours".

Well, neighbours could tell you anything so you'd really need a bit more proof than that kind of circumstantial evidence. While I can understand Adrian's impatience to mate this information with his theory it can never be more than that, a theory.

I have never personally accepted the drugs allegation rumours as anything more than yet more official disinformation. The article I published above, A Very British Coup?, makes no mention of the allegations Tony Gosling obtained from his radio interview.

The reputation of these boys has been blackened enough by a very cynical and dangerous government. Those of us in the Truth Movement should be very careful that in no way should we help promote the smears and innuendo of Bliar's corrupt police state.

[Adrian]

As I thought I made clear in the interview, yes I only spoke to a few people and all I did was report what I had been told and postulate some ideas - why do you think there is NOTHING on my site - NOTHING in my 77 archive regarding this - because there is NOT ENOUGH PROOF.

Yes it has been a 'theory' from the very start that the men may have been 'drug-mules', I think I may have mentioned this theory once several months ago, but it has never been on my website. Obviously there are a number of hypotheses that I have looked into.

The idea that I'm impatiently leading people astray with my one little theory I find frankly absurd - I have made a huge effort to be as objective as possible in my online 77 analysis. This whole thing has regrettably been blown way out of proportion.

I have asked Tony G to re word his post which I agree was not written with much caution or sensitivity. I did the radio show for reasons I will not go into here - but I would NOT have shared the link with this board.

FOR THE RECORD: It was reported to me Tanweer and Hussain were involved in small time crack and cannabis dealing (also rumours of Khan's involvement, but I did not meet any witnesses) - NO this is not solid proof of anything.

The moderators want to censor this thread even though what is reported here is common knowledge to many. I appreciate that there is enough evidence without bringing in theories, - without Tony's post on here hardly anyone would have heard the radio show and this * storm I'm now at the centre of would not be raging.

All I want is the truth and while I've been investigating and researching 77 all sorts of things have come my way but I don't give my opinion on any theories to the public unless I have something to back em up.

[ian neal]

Hi Adrian

Firstly let's all take a deep breathe and remember we ARE all on the same side here

My intention is to limit any damage putting this info in the public domain may cause: it's not about censorship so much as timing and maintaining harmony amongst 7/7 researchers/campaigners.

Not that I'm aware of the work Mick is doing in Leeds or whether this will actually do any damage, but he clearly thinks it will. Let's all calm down, realise this is as much about lack of communication between people and here from Mick why this is such a problem for him. He's not on this forum but I can email him and invite him it is agreed to do so. Alternatively pick up the phone

As I said in my first response to Mick's email, we can reconsider this at our leisure. If it is the consensus amongst prominent 7/7 campaigners that the thread should go back up so be it and if there is not consensus we should try to understand why. Ultimately you, Tony, Rory and the other 2 sites currently carrying the info

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22Crack%2C+the+mafia+and+a+ver y+British+coup%22&meta=

are free to continue to post this on the internet if that is what you think should happen. I know the suggestions that they may have drug mules and this could be true, but even if it true and backed by reliable evidence, there is still the question of how best to use such info. I'm no lawyer but we need to think tactics

Best wishes

ian

[Prole]

Just a couple of points

I had a major problem with the name of this thread. I objected as much to the 'crack' in the title as to suggestions that the army may be supported in a military coup. It did lead on to an interesting discussion on the politics of resistance and the characters of these young men.

I don't support censorship and the drug story should be discussed, I personally can't square crack dealing with the picture of Khan and Tanweer's efforts at drug rehabilitation.

http://www.j-n-v.org/London_Blasts/MEDIA%20REVIEWS/JNV_Media_Review_05 0910.htm

[ian neal]

[Ally]

[Ally]

[numeral]

[astro3]

To endorse what 'Prole' said: Khan worked together with his pal Tanweer in getting youngsters off drugs, and they built up ‘the Mullah Crew’ a group of Asian youths to do this. It could involve forcible ‘cold turkey’ chill-outs for several days, for the drug addicts. This would be accompanied by outdoor activities like climbing up the North Yorkshire moors and canoeing in Wales.
Khan, Tanweer and other locals used to meet at the small corner-shop, the Iqra Islamic Learning bookshop (a registered charity) in Beeston - done in by the police, c.13 July, now abandoned.
(Source: 10 Sept 2005 'The Independent,' story by Ian Herbert and Kim Sengupta)
One gathers that that is quite an epidemic of heroin around Beeston in Leeds, with low street prices and kids only 10 taking it.

So maybe I erred in my above posting.

[Frazzel]

its just tony being his usual self, trying to whip up a debate by being conroversial and bonkers re: army coup! your enemies enemy (thats if the army Generals (not privates) really are pissed off with Blair to that degree) isnt necessaily your friend!