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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:35 am Post subject:
Come hither and witness the amazing feats, sounds and smells of the 'flying bs squadron'.
Link _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
-Johnny Pixels
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Are you deaf or docile or BOTH? Go back to the footage and you will hear the male say "It was like a rocket or something" at 1.10 seconds
I have played it through - my point is clear, it is stated it was a bomb -why do this if they saw a rocket?
Yes, they speculate about other possibilites also.
Prior to my mother's death, I remember her saying that once someone resorts to name calling, their argument is lost.
I have always found this to be 100% accurate. _________________ I completely challenge the official version of events - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC -I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC
How can you have a sensible conversation with a bloke who trashed our movement in the Guardian? _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
-Johnny Pixels
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 804 Location: London Town
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:42 am Post subject:
telecasterisation wrote:
prole art threat;
Quote:
Are you deaf or docile or BOTH? Go back to the footage and you will hear the male say "It was like a rocket or something" at 1.10 seconds
I have played it through - my point is clear, it is stated it was a bomb -why do this if they saw a rocket?
Yes, they speculate about other possibilites also.
Prior to my mother's death, I remember her saying that once someone resorts to name calling, their argument is lost.
I have always found this to be 100% accurate.
ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG, TELE AND APOLOGISE. YOU SAID HE NEVER SAID THE WORD 'ROCKET'! _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
-Johnny Pixels
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 804 Location: London Town
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:44 am Post subject:
Tele, you have just been 'TRASHED'! _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
-Johnny Pixels
Tony, are you aware that Jon Ronson demonised the Truth Movement in The Guardian or is that not important to you? _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
-Johnny Pixels
Are you deaf or docile or BOTH? Go back to the footage and you will hear the male say "It was like a rocket or something" at 1.10 seconds
I have played it through - my point is clear, it is stated it was a bomb -why do this if they saw a rocket?
Yes, they speculate about other possibilites also.
Prior to my mother's death, I remember her saying that once someone resorts to name calling, their argument is lost.
I have always found this to be 100% accurate.
ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG, TELE AND APOLOGISE. YOU SAID HE NEVER SAID THE WORD 'ROCKET'!
I did not say he never said rocket. I notice you offer no quote where I am supposed to have stated this - merely copy my 'trashed' statement.
I clearly stated they went on to speculate about other causes. This includes the possibility of a rocket (from his perspective having not seen the plane).
Try again this time with quotes, or you could simply call me some more names, whatever makes you feel better.
The ego is man's biggest adversary. _________________ I completely challenge the official version of events - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC -I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject:
Ronson has raised the issue in the National press - which is enough for me - you don't have to agree with peoples views to appreciate what they do. I wouldn't have made the Secret Rulers' Bilderberg show the sae as Jon Ronson - but that's okay - he gave both points of view of them which is good journalism.
Nuff said - and any more swearing on this thread will be dealt with by the mods. as I just did. Do you think enraged ravings help the 911 truth movement? If not then why are you here?
NB: Its simple 'Ally' - if you swear you'll be deleted. By me or any other moderator. Now calm down, take a chamomile tea and try to articulate without getting aggressive.
If you can't then go post some comments on Indymedia instead
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Do you understand now?
To which Marky responded -
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at last, so some of the things you linked go against your missle/cloaked in plane theory as they show nothing! how does a piece of film that shows no plane no missle and no hologram prove anything?
This still has not been addressed -
If it were a missile 'cloaked in a hologram', everyone would see and film what looked like a plane. Otherwise, it's a pretty nonsense hologram.
You would then need to account for the aircraft sound heard and recorded.
If you post footage that you claim shows no plane or people seeing a 'rocket', then you are directly going against the idea it was a hologram and it sounds more like the 'CGI added to footage afterwards' idea.
So, er, which is it? _________________ It's a man's life in MOSSAD
Ronson has raised the issue in the National press - which is enough for me - you don't have to agree with peoples views to appreciate what they do. I wouldn't have made the Secret Rulers' Bilderberg show the sae as Jon Ronson - but that's okay - he gave both points of view of them which is good journalism.
Nuff said - and any more swearing on this thread will be dealt with by the mods. as I just did. Do you think enraged ravings help the 911 truth movement? If not then why are you here?
T
Does making up stories about the 7/7 accused being crack dealers, or trying to hide the truth about cartoons hitting the WTC help anyone at all? _________________
I didnt think Ronson demonised the movement, I thought it demonised itself by hurling insults at him shortly after he posted on the forum? I'm just going from http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1937479,00.html, not read the actual thread, is it still available?
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 804 Location: London Town
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:32 pm Post subject:
wobbler wrote:
This still has not been addressed -
If it were a missile 'cloaked in a hologram', everyone would see and film what looked like a plane. Otherwise, it's a pretty nonsense hologram.
You would then need to account for the aircraft sound heard and recorded.
If you post footage that you claim shows no plane or people seeing a 'rocket', then you are directly going against the idea it was a hologram and it sounds more like the 'CGI added to footage afterwards' idea.
So, er, which is it?
And youre saying there is a plane ther but cant see one, make your mind up. _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
-Johnny Pixels
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Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 3187 Location: Here to help!
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:33 pm Post subject:
Quote:
The ego is man's biggest adversary.
Ego is THE adversary
Its the prison we hold ourselves in and stops us being free
When we observe our thoughts and emotions instead of identifying with them by reflex, we stop taking "it" so seriously, and create the conditions within ourselves to grow as human beings _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 804 Location: London Town
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject:
prole art threat wrote:
TonyGosling wrote:
Ronson has raised the issue in the National press - which is enough for me - you don't have to agree with peoples views to appreciate what they do. I wouldn't have made the Secret Rulers' Bilderberg show the sae as Jon Ronson - but that's okay - he gave both points of view of them which is good journalism.
Nuff said - and any more swearing on this thread will be dealt with by the mods. as I just did. Do you think enraged ravings help the 911 truth movement? If not then why are you here?
Im calling bs on that. Ronson is a serial whitewasher, if youre happy with that then I question your motives too, Tony. I asked you what you thought about Jon Ronson demonising the Movement and youre reply was 'Maybe he wants to keep his job?'
So basically, Tony, lying is okay on such MASSIVE scales if you want to keep your job? I totally dispute that and if you think that is fairplay then how am I to trust a single word you utter?
Do you advocate lying to keep your job, Mr Gosling? _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
-Johnny Pixels
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Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 804 Location: London Town
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject:
kc wrote:
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I see you never got the cyanide I sent you for Xmas
Is that a threat to poison or cause bodily harm ally?
KC is poisonous enough, he doesnt need any help. _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
-Johnny Pixels
Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 3187 Location: Here to help!
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject:
Ally wrote:
.... (self deleted, with good reason)
Well done Ally, your improving. When you can get the hang of not needing to post it in the first place, you'll be getting there
Too late for damage limitaion of course, because KC has already quoted you: that's what's called a "self inflicted wound" _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
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I didnt think Ronson demonised the movement, I thought it demonised itself by hurling insults at him shortly after he posted on the forum?
Absolutely.
Although Tony makes a good point that it was people representing themselves as 'the movement' acting with malicious intent, rather than the movement itself, which gave Ronson such a bad impression of it.
He gave a talk recently in my home town and mentioned in passing that he felt the UK 9/11 conspiracy theorists had been racist and irrational towards him, but that was pretty much all he had to say on the subject.
I personally feel the people who abused Ronson on this board should be deeply ashamed.
Sir Tony Gosling NUJ bigwig says: "JOURNALISM COMES FIRST. TRUTH COMES SECOND".
Now I see how he got his job!
Certainly a lucrative career for journalists to lie and manipulate public opinion these days. Funny how the journalists close ranks like politicians when it comes to the big issues, like selling Lordships, waging fake wars and masking who the real criminals in society are. _________________
And youre saying there is a plane ther but cant see one, make your mind up.
No, I said it's footage you claim shows no plane. I said nothing about what I think.
Though I personally believe there is sufficient footage of aircraft from a wide variety of sources (not to mention the application of Occam's razor, though I acknowledge this isn't an infallible law) to make me sceptical of NPT, I'm not trying to argue a case here; I'm simply pointing out the case you've stated so far appears to contradict itself in places. Though I don't subscribe to NPT, that doesn't mean I won't look at the arguments. I'm simply pointing out that you seem to argue two variants of NPT in different posts. If you wish us all to awaken from our 'delusion' (bearing in mind you were yourself a 'plane hugger' until very recently), you don't help your case by not being clear as to whether you believe the event was:
a/A hologram cloaking a missile that would be seen and filmed
b/There were no planes, hologramatic or otherwise. _________________ It's a man's life in MOSSAD
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 804 Location: London Town
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject:
jomper wrote:
kc wrote:
I didnt think Ronson demonised the movement, I thought it demonised itself by hurling insults at him shortly after he posted on the forum?
Absolutely.
Although Tony makes a good point that it was people representing themselves as 'the movement' acting with malicious intent, rather than the movement itself, which gave Ronson such a bad impression of it.
He gave a talk recently in my home town and mentioned in passing that he felt the UK 9/11 conspiracy theorists had been racist and irrational towards him, but that was pretty much all he had to say on the subject.
I personally feel the people who abused Ronson on this board should be deeply ashamed.
Nonsense, he played the Anti Semetic card which was despicable of him. Even members of his own forum said that his 9/11 hitpiece was highly embarrassing. _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
-Johnny Pixels
Your point about 'Listen to the reporter', has been completely and totally squashed. I responded telling you exactly why he never saw the plane from his ground level reporting position. You never replied - so that was game over for you.
You then accused me of stating that the voice in the video never said 'rocket'. Knowing this was not the case, I responded, reiterating exactly what I did state - I asking for a quote, you refused. Point to me once more.
You are highly predictable when compromised - you build something up and then ignore it when it is trounced - and I know it is trounced because you then move on to something else without mentioning the destroyed subject.
As a student of Gurdjieff since the 70's, I have studied the ego in some considerable detail. Live in the now Prole, focus on being, respond not react. And above all, when you know you are beaten, address the point openly, you will ultimately benefit and gain more respect. _________________ I completely challenge the official version of events - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC -I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC
He gave a talk recently in my home town and mentioned in passing that he felt the UK 9/11 conspiracy theorists had been racist.
I personally feel the people who abused Ronson on this board should be deeply ashamed.
Jews are not a race. People asked him to discuss Zionism but he pretends like it doesn't exist. He should feel ashamed at penning vengeful petty journalist articles about such a serious issues but i wouldn't hold my breath, celebrity status is his only concern.
Although Tony makes a good point that it was people representing themselves as 'the movement' acting with malicious intent, rather than the movement itself, which gave Ronson such a bad impression of it.
He gave a talk recently in my home town and mentioned in passing that he felt the UK 9/11 conspiracy theorists had been racist and irrational towards him, but that was pretty much all he had to say on the subject.
I personally feel the people who abused Ronson on this board should be deeply ashamed.
Absolutely. Shouting, swearing and crying 'shill' at people who dispute what you say is a singularly poor way of winning an argument. Not to mention the inherent contradiction in people claiming they want to fight oppression, stop war, win equality etc and doing so by being abusive and aggressive. That never ceases to amaze me. _________________ It's a man's life in MOSSAD
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