Communism through environmentalism.

[uselesseater]

Woe to ye wicked consumers of the sacred fruits of the earth godess.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/costingtheearth.shtml

Seriousley though. When environmentalism first reared it's horned head, Communists were rubbing their hands together with glee saying that this would bring society nearer to communism than the peace movement ever could.

In the light of the proposed 'green taxes' (corporate welfare) independence will become a luxury of those who can afford it while serfs such as you and I will live communaly.

[telecasterisation]

We merely play at environmentalism, things should be much much tougher.

I know we don't like the big brother/new world order thing, but there are levels by which this would be the only way forward and managed properly, not by those wishing to capitalize, it is our only option.

People aren't prepared to stop buying 'stuff'. The more we manufacture, the more we take from the planet.

There should be a 'green police force', one with ultimate power. In no particular order;

No family should be allowed more than two children. Compulsary abortions past your quota.

Everyone should be given 10 plastic bags at birth and that would be your lot.

Rubbish such as outdoor Christmas lights should be banned. Or anyone caught using them would be fined a couple of grand.

Fireworks should be banned, anyone setting them off would be imprisoned for 3 months.

Vehicles found chucking out excess emmissions should be instantly removed from the road and destroyed (the driver could get out first though).

All the packing that 'stuff' comes in should be dramatically reduced. My mate runs a chain of health stores and every Monday following deliveries you should see the mountain of cardboard, poly chips and plastic he has to then deal with.

This of course is just a tiny tiny tip of a huge iceberg and barely brushes the surface. Who cares if jobs suffer or people are compromised - the planet is at stake not a few zeros on a bank balance. We need to stop and take stock.

[Newspeak International]

Don't worry Tele these measures will come,and more besides.

Problem-reaction-solution is a continual process.

Hail to the god of environ-mentalism, Al Gore only wants what is best for
the planet,obviously!

[uselesseater]

Tele, add to that 90% tax rates, global one child policy and reduction in population to 500,000 through whatever means you like and that is one aspect the New world Order minus the extreme sexual depravity by the elite against anyone they like and the elevation of hedonism to an artform.

Joking aside.

If the establishment so wished they could solve virtualy all these supposed environmental problems simply by using the sophisticated mind programming techniques which have engraned the consumer culture so deeply. A few bill boards with a big titted blonde draped across the bonnet of a G Wiz would do wonders. Such is the power of the mass media that if they so wished they could make eating poo trendy and 20% would do it. But no, the only way is more tax for us sinners. Yes environmentalism is a religion.

The only environmental issues we hear about are ones which can be blamed on us and our sinful selfish nature. We know all about carbon footprints but very little about the horrendous stuff dumped into the sea by industry and the military. We need to eliminate 350,000 people a day but it's OK for the UK/US military to radiate an entire region which ends up blowing over here too. It's humans that are the evil scourge of this planet but it's ok for the US military to dump tonnes of VX biproduct into the sea.

I'm off to get some sack cloth and ashes.

[Dogsmilk]

The idea that giving a nonsense about pollution, chemical pesticides, waste dumping, the eradication of forests etc is somehow 'wrong' is patently absurd - unless you're more than happy to see the entire planet covered in smog, factory farms and car parks. It's fairly self-evident that if you e.g. chop down trees at a greater rate than they grow, then sooner or later you'll run out of trees. Not to mention all the animals that live in them. I know there's this thing knocking around about global warming allegedly being a con, but that issue itself does not sum up environmentalism.

The real problem is these genuine concerns are easily hijacked so you can play at being 'green' to implement guilt tax. This simply cannot be seen as a government invented problem as governments have spent the last few decades studiously ignoring it. Environmental activists have been subjected to much harassment in the years before this issue got sexy. The FBI even got caught trying to assassinate Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney from Earth First! in 1990 when they took on logging interests. I used to do animal rights stuff (which is closely linked and often interchangeable), and I can assure you it's not what the government wanted you to be doing. The police certainly have more pictures of me than my mum has. And in a variety of scenic locations. And I wasn't hardcore. It's just now they've realised they can con us poor chumps into doing what they want by slapping a green sticker on it.

It is, IMHO, a blag, but one based on selling us the idea that we can fix it by turning off the odd light, getting punished for not being green and paying new invented taxes whilst industry carries on as it always has.
They didn't invent the environmental problem - it's real. The actual blag is they don't really care as long as Bono and Al Gore look credible and they get to cash in.

As for communism, I don't really care. Communism was originally interchangeable with anarchism, it's just a word whose meaning has become corrupted, particularly with the rise of Marxism and the Soviet Union et al with their faux Marxism. I quite like left-anarchist theory. It's often humane and sensible and strives to avoid the appeal to the cruder and more destructive instincts that capitalism indulges in. It's just anarchists that tend to irritate me.

[uselesseater]

Totaly agree the real environmental issues are ignored while the ptb use it to tax and control.

As for communism, I don't want to get into semantics, I just don't want to be a complete slave, paying 70% + tax rates under a system of total government.

[Dogsmilk]

[Ignatz]

[uselesseater]

IMHO the environment is a lot more rhobust than we are led to believe in general although they also try to make out DU is harmless.

Re tax. Last year 'tax freedom day' was in June i think. Hence, on average, up to that point we were all working for the government.

Coincidentaly, these guys were on the radio today

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/

[telecasterisation]

[Dogsmilk]

[Dogsmilk]

Oh Tele - your new sig doesn't work I'm afraid.
Given my experience of train services, it's an entirely reasonable and commonplace enquiry. The 8 o'clock train could be leaving at any time up until about 10.

[blackcat]

[Hazzard]

Man I have never seen so many confused people.

You guys live in one big paradigm.

Im all for perserving the rainforests and looking after the earth. But not at the sacrifice of a single human being, thats right not one. And if we rely on our totalitarian global elite to do the environment preservation, it will be done in the name of wiping us out or controlling us.

Denial is a painful thing, but please for all our sakes get over it guys becuase there is no such thing and will never be such thing as long as we exist in THIS system.

Patrolling gunships? Harsher, tougher enforcement? Come on !

Like ive always said, why do they always punish the consumer. They never punish the car companies that continue to roll out these gas guzzelling behemoths. They never punish oil companies for hamstringing any attempts at developing non-polluting sustainable fuel sources. No its always OUR fault. We are the ones who need to always die or starve or suffer in order to help mother earth.

GEORGIA GUIDE STONES....nuff said.

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[marky 54]

[quote] People have destoyed acres of rainforest in the time I have typed this and for what - McDonald's hamburgers? We have our priorties in totally the wrong place. [quote]

hamburgers come from rainforests?

[marky 54]

[telecasterisation]

marky 54;

[Dogsmilk]

[telecasterisation]

Damn, I wont have a bad word said about MFI!

[Dogsmilk]

[marky 54]

[Ignatz]

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[kc]

[telecasterisation]

kc;

[blackcat]

Soya is used as an animal feed and many vegetarians do not eat soya products anyway. I think you are misunderstanding the situation if you believe growing crops, instead of keeping livestock to slaughter for food, is going to be worse for the planet. The former is a much more efficient use of land. It is unnecessary to denude the rainforests for either soya or cattle. Remember it is not so long ago that in Europe we had beef mountains and butter mountains and were ploughing crops in to the land, and now we are paying farmers a fortune to do nothing (set-aside) in order to avoid the same. Nothing changes. Landowners were burning crops in the field while people starved in England in the early nineteenth century and they did so to try to keep prices high. They believe in "market forces" only when it suits them. They are driven by profit and greed and there is no need for any of it.

[Hazzard]

Telecasterisation - Would you condone or accept the killing of any person or persons for the sake of preserving the current state of the earth or better?

[telecasterisation]

[Hazzard]

So you are basically an Al Gore loving Georgia Guide Stone worshipping, mother earth loving peopel hater.

So what exactly makes you any different than any of the New World Order * out there?

Your an idiot. My respect for you and your 'knowledge' has just vanished. Your against the truth, your WILL get what you want dont you worry about that.