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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:08 am Post subject: Saddam Hussain executed in dawn hanging |
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Just caught this on the propaganda channel,he'll be executed at around 2
or 2.30 this morning.
Could be seen as the simultaneous death of the republic of USA?
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Well, that's always been a fake Saddam, so it will be a symbolic sacrifice
The real Bush and Blair ought to be with him on the scaffold, at least if I believed in Capital Punishment, which I don't
Seems an awful shame that some little mind-controlled guttersnipe will be killed on the gallows to preserve the myth and promote the chaos
Why did the US take so long to release him to the Iraqis? To reinforce the programming so he didn't break down under threat of imminent death
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: |
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Bush and Blair for the electric chair.
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Its a shame that someone is going to be executed, no matter who he really is. I find it very odd that in a culture where, when it comes to criminals, most are either beheaded or stoned to death, that they have decided to use the gallows. Perhaps a move to appeal to the latent European, and particularly British tradition of hang em' high? A move to stir western emotions on capitol punishment? Who knows. Which ever way you look at it, its a waste of human life and a very obvious move that does wonders for the 'movie' of it all.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:51 am Post subject: |
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http://www.cbsnews.com/
Looking on the bright side, at least they've put him on the front page with this tasteful piece!
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Light Infantree wrote: | Its a shame that someone is going to be executed, no matter who he really is. I find it very odd that in a culture where, when it comes to criminals, most are either beheaded or stoned to death, that they have decided to use the gallows. |
Hanging is more common in arab countries than you might think.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:19 am Post subject: |
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America put him there, so what we just witnessed is a hypocracy.
I dont condone any government or state taking anymans life. But if this is the way it has to be done than surely Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., Rumsfeld, Cheney and Clinton must be executed in tandom.
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(Still stuck in an Iranian groove!) I often have arguments with my Iranian friends, especially the fiesty 40 year-old whose brothers were killed and whose Mum had her tongue torn out by the regime not just once but twice. Her view is always unequivocal "When Iran is free if I meet one of those mullahs coming down the street I will kill him with my bare hands!" and she means it. I always say no, you can have a lot more satisfaction without getting a drop of blood on your own hands, don't descend to their level! Keep them all alive - put them back in Qom (the clerical capital of Iran) and make that city a kind of museum to an antiquated, barbaric mindset. The top mullahs can be kept there under individual house-arrest but anyone can visit them any time and have a go at them, verbally of course.
There's a former Khomeini deputy being kept like this to this day (he was locked up when he tried to persuade Khomeini not to keep slaughtering dissidents)
Seeing my friend was not really convinced I threw out another idea - "I know, we need a ZOO for the mullahs! Put them in large cages, the top Ayatollahs can go in a kind of lion-house or special enclave for dinosaurs, the lesser ones can run around in a monkey-house. The public can pay to go on Fridays and holidays to throw rotten tomatos and eggs and hurl insults at them through the bars. Could make a lot of money and be a huge tourist attraction for Iran too".
That idea went down a lot better! The point is we NEED everyone alive and accountable, not just to a bunch of lawyers in a show trial but to the ordinary people, their victims; the people need to be able to vent their anger but not with more blood. And everyone needs to have a lot of time to analyse and understand how the evil came about, hence how it can be avoided in future. So yes, everyone needs to hear from a character like Saddam who he had dinner with over 20 years and exactly who wrote him cheques.
There's a spiritual dimension to this - people who have done major wrong to others and abused their power (which is not to say that Saddam is any a worse bogeyman than a whole lot of others we could mention - note the silence of the Kurds at his death, they know who the real regional criminals are!) need time to reflect on their actions and to appease their accusers and for this process to continue until there is REMORSE AND CONTRITION on their, the abuser's part and FORGIVENESS on the side of victim. Of course in reality that is unlikely ever to happen but it should be nonetheless the ideal to which we aspire in such a situation. Neither Saddam nor his victims will be able to get any further in defusing their pain and anger which with his death has got sealed in and unresolved will continue to blight everyone for years to come. But of course that was the intention, wasn't it.
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scubadiver wrote: | Light Infantree wrote: | Its a shame that someone is going to be executed, no matter who he really is. I find it very odd that in a culture where, when it comes to criminals, most are either beheaded or stoned to death, that they have decided to use the gallows. |
Hanging is more common in arab countries than you might think. |
I dont think about it at all, so enlighten me.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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What was the collar or scarf the executioners put round his neck for?
I can't think why they would use something like that. Surely they would not be worried about rope burns.
I've no idea why, but it also seemed a little odd to me he was wearing that big heavy top coat. I don't know what you are supposed to wear when you are about to be hanged, but it just seemed to look wrong somehow.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Rumsfeld actually stepped down as US Defence Secretary on December 18, 2006. And maybe this is why.....?
Just struck me that the newspapers would surely have picked up on that snap of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam from December 20th 1983.
See this page, which is extremely interesting BTW, for still and video
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
First he sells him the arms - then he arranges for his execution while Defence Secretary - wouldn't look at all good would it!
Fisk's piece is fair but the Guardian obituary says: "Saddam Hussein, 1937-2006, Brutal and opportunist, he wreaked havoc on his country, the Middle East and the world."
Now how will Bush and Blair be remembered I wonder........?
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saddam was a bad man, but carnt help thinking he would of got away with it if iraq was a democracy from the start , thats how it seems to work elsewhere.
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Quote: | "Saddam Hussein, 1937-2006, Brutal and opportunist, he wreaked havoc on his country, the Middle East and the world."
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Er, pardon me if I missed something, but how can they say he "wreaked havoc" on "the world". What on earth did he do to, say, Brazil?
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Of the many Saddam Hussein look-alikes, who was hanged, or not
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The snaggle-toothed, under-bite,bearded, dyed-haired, mind-controlled-placid -"dignified when facing death" - replacement bought it in the end
With a black silk scarf and an incredibly thick rope noose
And the people believe this stuff!!!!!!!!!!
Jeeeez - Come on - it's pure black fantasy and fairy tale
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Fairy tale? Based on what I saw on the "official" footage, my initial impression is that the following clip is genuine (and this carries a warning)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=863ce7d4a3
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scubadiver wrote: | Fairy tale? Based on what I saw on the "official" footage, my initial impression is that the following clip is genuine (and this carries a warning)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=863ce7d4a3 |
I wasn't trying to deny that somebody died by hanging
More questioning who, and yes it's a bad fairytale/ceremonial held on a nodal point (time and space wise) relevant to both christians and muslims
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A double was hanged, so what.
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On the Gallows, Curses for US and "Traitors"
By Marc Santora
The New York Times
Sunday 31 December 2006
Baghdad - Saddam Hussein never bowed his head, until his neck snapped.
His last words were equally defiant.
"Down with the traitors, the Americans, the spies and the Persians."
The final hour of Iraq's former ruler began about 5 a.m., when American troops escorted him from Camp Cropper, near the Baghdad airport, to Camp Justice, another American base at the heart of the city.
There, he was handed over to a newly trained unit of the Iraqi National Police, with whom he would later exchange curses. Iraq took full custody of Mr. Hussein at 5:30 a.m.
Two American helicopters flew 14 witnesses from the Green Zone to the execution site - a former headquarters of the Istikhbarat, the deposed government's much feared military intelligence outfit, now inside the American base.
Mr. Hussein was escorted into the room where the gallows, with its red railing, stood, greeted at the door by three masked executioners known as ashmawi. Several of the witnesses present - including Munkith al-Faroun, the deputy prosecutor for the court; Munir Haddad, the deputy chief judge for the Iraqi High Tribunal; and Sami al- Askari, a member of Parliament - described in detail how the execution unfolded and independently recounted what was said.
To protect himself from the bitter cold before dawn during the short trip, Mr. Hussein wore a 1940s-style wool cap, a scarf and a long black coat over a white collared shirt.
His executioners wore black ski masks, but Mr. Hussein could still see their deep brown skin and hear their dialects, distinct to the Shiite southern part of the country, where he had so brutally repressed two separate uprisings.
The small room had a foul odor. It was cold, had bad lighting and a sad, melancholic atmosphere. With the witnesses and 11 other people - including guards and the video crew - it was cramped.
Mr. Hussein's eyes darted about, trying to take in just who was going to put an end to him.
The executioners took his hat and his scarf.
Mr. Hussein, whose hands were bound in front of him, was taken to the judge's room next door. He followed each order he was given.
He sat down and the verdict, finding him guilty of crimes against humanity, was read aloud.
"Long live the nation!" Mr. Hussein shouted. "Long live the people! Long live the Palestinians!"
He continued shouting until the verdict was read in full, and then he composed himself again.
When he rose to be led back to the execution room at 6 a.m., he looked strong, confident and calm. Whatever apprehension he may have had only minutes earlier had faded.
The general prosecutor asked Mr. Hussein to whom he wanted to give his Koran. He said Bandar, the son of Awad al-Bandar, the former chief justice of the Revolutionary Court who was also to be executed soon.
The room was quiet as everyone began to pray, including Mr. Hussein. "Peace be upon Mohammed and his holy family."
Two guards added, "Supporting his son Moktada, Moktada, Moktada."
Mr. Hussein seemed a bit stunned, swinging his head in their direction.
They were talking about Moktada al-Sadr, the firebrand cleric whose militia is now committing some of the worst violence in the sectarian fighting; he is the son of a revered Shiite cleric, Muhammad Sadiq al- Sadr, whom many believe Mr. Hussein ordered murdered.
"Moktada?" he spat out, mixing sarcasm and disbelief.
Mowaffak al-Rubaie, Iraq's national security adviser, asked Mr. Hussein if he had any remorse or fear.
"No," he said bluntly. "I am a militant and I have no fear for myself. I have spent my life in jihad and fighting aggression. Anyone who takes this route should not be afraid."
Mr. Rubaie, standing shoulder to shoulder with Mr. Hussein, asked him about the killing of the elder Mr. Sadr.
They were standing so close to each other that others could not hear the exchange.
One of the guards, though, became angry. "You have destroyed us," the masked man yelled. "You have killed us. You have made us live in destitution."
Mr. Hussein was scornful: "I have saved you from destitution and misery and destroyed your enemies, the Persians and Americans."
The guard cursed him. "God damn you."
Mr. Hussein replied, "God damn you."
Two witnesses, apparently uninvolved in selecting the guards, exchanged a quiet joke, saying they gathered that the goal of disbanding the militias had yet to be accomplished.
The deputy prosecutor, Mr. Faroun, berated the guards, saying, "I will not accept any offense directed at him."
Mr. Hussein was led up to the gallows without a struggle. His hands were unbound, put behind his back, then fastened again. He showed no remorse. He held his head high.
The executioners offered him a hood. He refused. They explained that the thick rope could cut through his neck and offered to use the scarf he had worn earlier to keep that from happening. Mr. Hussein accepted.
He stood on the high platform, with a deep hole beneath it.
He said a last prayer. Then, with his eyes wide open, no stutter or choke in his throat, he said his final words cursing the Americans and the Persians.
At 6:10 a.m., the trapdoor swung open. He seemed to fall a good distance, but he died swiftly. After just a minute, his body was still. His eyes still were open but he was dead. Despite the scarf, the rope cut a gash into his neck.
His body stayed hanging for another nine minutes as those in attendance broke out in prayer, praising the Prophet, at the death of a dictator.
Ali Adeeb and Khalid al-Ansary contributed reporting from Baghdad.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/123106Z.shtml
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Oh how wonderful. The circle of life continues.
I am so sick of this hypocritic world and the large praportion of demented fools who now think that this will some how fix everything.
Eugh, man the NWO has this tiny rock right between its fingers.
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as a follow up to the Independent article above I also found this.....
Is the Moscow Times to be beleived?
http://context.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2005/04/22/120.html
Quote: | Chalmers is a longtime denizen of the Labyrinth. In the mid-1980s, he joined up with Chilean gun-runner Carlos Cardoen, the Financial Times reported. Cardoen was a CIA frontman used by Presidents Ronald Reagan and Bush I to funnel cluster bombs and other weapons secretly to Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq War. At Reagan's direct order, Saddam received U.S. military intelligence, billions of dollars in credits and a steady supply of covert "third-country" arms to sustain his war effort, even though the White House was fully aware of Saddam's "almost daily use" of illegal chemical weapons, The Washington Post reported. Later, Bush I, as president, would also mandate the sale of WMD material to Saddam, including anthrax -- long after Saddam notoriously "gassed his own people" at Halabja. |
Quote: | A fierce aerial offensive by Saddam would force Iran to seek more spare parts for its U.S.-made planes and anti-aircraft weapons, inherited from the ousted Shah. Bush was already waist-deep in the Iran-Contra scam, which involved selling Tehran U.S. military goods through back channels, then funneling the secret profits to the Contras, the gang of right-wing insurgents and CIA-trained terrorists in Nicaragua. Congress had forbidden U.S. aid to the Contras, so Reagan and Bush used the mullahs (and Central American drug lords) to run their illegal terrorist war. More innocent deaths in Iran meant more backdoor cash for the Contras. A win-win situation! |
And thats just some of it.
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George Galloway has met Saddam twice - he should be able to say if the real Saddam was executed
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This is what Riverbend from Bagdad had to say on the matter
Quote: | A Lynching...
It's official. Maliki and his people are psychopaths. This really is a new low. It's outrageous- an execution during Eid. Muslims all over the world (with the exception of Iran) are outraged. Eid is a time of peace, of putting aside quarrels and anger- at least for the duration of Eid.
This does not bode well for the coming year. No one imagined the madmen would actually do it during a religious holiday. It is religiously unacceptable and before, it was constitutionally illegal. We thought we'd at least get a few days of peace and some time to enjoy the Eid holiday, which coincides with the New Year this year. We've spent the first two days of a holy holiday watching bits and pieces of a sordid lynching.
America the savior… After nearly four years and Bush's biggest achievement in Iraq has been a lynching. Bravo Americans.
Maliki has made the mistake of his life. His signature and unhidden glee at the whole execution, especially on the first day of Eid Al Adha (the Eid where millions of Muslims make a pilgrimage to Mecca), will only do more to damage his already tattered reputation. He's like a vulture in a suit (or a balding weasel). It's almost embarrassing. I kept expecting Muwafaq Al Rubaii to run over and wipe the drool from the corner of his mouth as he signed for the execution. Are these the people who represent the New Iraq? We're in so much more trouble than I ever thought.
And no- not the celebrations BBC are claiming. With the exception of a few areas, the streets are empty.
Now we come to CNN. Shame on you CNN journalists- you're getting lazy. The least you can do is get the last words correct when you write a story about an execution. Your articles are read the world over and will go down in history as references. You people are the biggest news network in the world- the least you can do is spend some money on a decent translator. Saddam's last words were NOT "Muqtada Al Sadr" as Munir Haddad claimed, according to the article below. If anyone had seen at least part of the video they showed on TV, you'd know that.
"A witness, Iraqi Judge Munir Haddad, said that one of the executioners told Hussein that the former dictator had destroyed Iraq, which sparked an argument that was joined by several government officials in the room.
As a noose was tightened around Hussein's neck, one of the executioners yelled "long live Muqtada al-Sadr," Haddad said, referring to the powerful anti-American Shiite religious leader.
Hussein, a Sunni, uttered one last phrase before he died, saying "Muqtada al-Sadr" in a mocking tone, according to Haddad's account."
From the video that was leaked, it was not an executioner who yelled "long live Muqtada al-Sadr". See, this is another low the Maliki government sunk to- they had some hecklers conveniently standing by during the execution. Maliki claimed they were "some witnesses from the trial", but they were, very obviously, hecklers. The moment the noose was around Saddam's neck, they began chanting, in unison, "God's prayers be on Mohamed and on Mohamed's family…" Something else I didn't quite catch (but it was very coordinated), and then "Muqtada, Muqtada, Muqtada!" One of them called out to Saddam, "Go to hell…" (in Arabic). Saddam looked down disdainfully and answered "Heya hay il marjala…?" which is basically saying, "Is this your manhood…?".
Someone half-heartedly called out to the hecklers, "I beg you, I beg you- the man is being executed!" They were slightly quieter and then Saddam stood and said, "Ashadu an la ilaha ila Allah, wa ashhadu ana Mohammedun rasool Allah…" Which means, "I witness there is no god but Allah and that Mohammed is His messenger." These are the words a Muslim (Sunnis and Shia alike) should say on their deathbed. He repeated this one more time, very clearly, but before he could finish it, he was lynched.
So, no, CNN, his last words were not "Muqtada Al Sadr" in a mocking tone- just thought someone should clear that up. (Really people, six of you contributed to that article!)
Then again, one could argue that it was a judge who gave them that false information. A judge on the Iraqi appeals court- one of the judges who ratified the execution order. Everyone knows Iraqi judges under American tutelage never lie- that explains CNN's confusion.
Muwafaq Al Rubai was said he was "weak and frightened". Apparently, Rubai saw a different lynching because according to the video they leaked, he didn't look frightened at all. His voice didn't shake and he refused to put on the black hood. He looked resigned to his fate, and during the heckling he looked as defiant as ever. (It's quite a contrast to Muhsin Abdul Hameed's public hysterics last year when the Americans raided his home.)
It's one thing to have militias participating in killings. This is allegedly the democracy the Americans flaunt. Is this how bloodthirsty and frightening we've become? Is this what Iraq stands for now? Executions? I'm sure the rest of the Arab countries will be impressed.
One of the most advanced countries in the world did not help to reconstruct Iraq, they didn't even help produce a decent constitution. They did, however, contribute nicely to a kangaroo court and a lynching. A lynching shall go down in history as America's biggest accomplishment in Iraq. So who's next? Who hangs for the hundreds of thousands who've died as a direct result of this war and occupation? Bush? Blair? Maliki? Jaffari? Allawi? Chalabi?
2006 has definitely been representative of Maliki and his government- killings like never before and a lynching to end it properly. Death and destruction everywhere. I'm so tired of all of this… |
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If you watch the video you see on Sky News and the like, the man in the black leather coat appears to be a white man and he is wearing a big Mr T-esque bling ring on his hand. It's just like the fakey fatty Bin Laden thing with the gold all over him.
While I am not saying this is some sign that it wasn't Saddam or anything, it makes me think that US involvement was clearly evident, despite the "no foreign involvement occured" statement we were given.
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wickywoowoo wrote: | If you watch the video you see on Sky News and the like, the man in the black leather coat appears to be a white man and he is wearing a big Mr T-esque bling ring on his hand. It's just like the fakey fatty Bin Laden thing with the gold all over him.
While I am not saying this is some sign that it wasn't Saddam or anything, it makes me think that US involvement was clearly evident, despite the "no foreign involvement occured" statement we were given. |
Like some of those beheading videos we've got well developed oversized white men involved in this ceremonial head and neck job
This decapitation is their, illuminati, obsession
Hence the hanging performance
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