David Icke: Was He Right? on Google Video!

[sidlittle]

[kc]

I actually bought the icke 9/11 book. 15 pages in and I'm struggling to keep going.

The lizards arose in Sumer and travelled thoughout the worlds empires and governments, despite the fact most of those empires were practiscing well documented genocide on each other they managed to survive?

We can tell secret organisations rule us because their symbols are everywhere - well how secret is that?

The illuminati speak in reverse talk, so when george bush says "THEIRS is the evil of terror" he means "OURS is the meaning of terror". Well which words do you reverse? If you follow it to its logical conclusion, the original statement means "Ours is the good of security"

Religion is all part of the illuminati plot, this is why all religion stated in the middle east. Cept it didnt. The Chinese and the indians were well away with religion and they were doing it thousands of years ealier and a whole continent away from Sumer!


I'm going to have a hard time believing any of his conclusions if even his opening statements are so blatantly erroneous...£16 I spent on that bloody book too!

[paul wright]

Personally, I find Credo Muttwa's information interesting and credible.
Lots of research material here

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[marky 54]

[marky 54]

need to add this to, when someone hurts another why do they feel bad about it? when someone has helped somebody why do they feel good?
its prove our instinct is not war.

[adam1]

Marky, You may be onto something. Who knows!
Stefan makes a good point about "war" being in our own personal actions, our anger, jealousy and so forth.
There is plenty of evidence that some people have really no compassion at all, and take morbid delight in seeing destruction and suffering, particularly when they are profiting from it. It's unbelievable but true.
But yes, the large-scale nation against nation conflicts are probably beyond this and manipulated in a wider sense by the PTB, whoever they are.
Notwithstanding, I am doubtful that anyone really controls things 100%, and I think the present time is really the crunch period, as we move away from blind allegiances to the nation-state, and profit from the relative freedom and speed of information given to us by the Net. Can they carry on controlling? 2012 anyone?

[Mark Gobell]

I saw the Icke prog and was more than a little pleased with the mainstream coverage given to an imprefect human being with an offbeat neck the like of which you wouldn't really credit, if you were of a closed mind.

Reptiles ?

We all have the remnants of a reptile brain don't we ?

What I got out if that time snip of Icke's ideas was that it was all to do with frequency.

A Bhuddist friend has it more succinctly:

Imagine you could hear with your eyes or see with your ears. Now see what a dog hears and hear what a bat sees.

[paul wright]

Perfect expression of the central thesis, Mark, from you and your friend.
Rather better than David's usual radio tuning analogy

[commanderson]

Hi
Seems like a lot of people see the whole reptillian aspect as illogical, a metaphor, or kinda like an NPT type (turd in the punch bowl) discrediting mechanism for truthers.
Personally I see alot of sense and logic behind the reptillian research, (far more than NPT)with most all cultures sharing dragon mythology, and many depicting the serpent as a michevious bringer of knowledge to humans, satan for example. Before reading Icke i had already convinced myself that an E.T. genisis was the most likely explanation for humanity and other life forms, seeing standard creationism as the fairy tale version, and evolutionism as a perversion of science (ie its counterintuitive from the facts we know, and is just a necesity of an atheists (no et's too)point of veiw). Looking at Icke's reptillian ideas in the confines of our age does not do them justice, theyhave to be seen accros the ages for them to make real sense. Just think about it - God a Nordic from the pleadies, The Devil a reptillian from sirius, them battling over they're joint project (humans) souls? Having fought it out a while ago, the nordics winning and writting theyre victors history in the bible, but the reptilians have manipulated they're way back into power, through these royal nephalim bloodlines? No more fantastical than an undefined God doing it all, or it happening by accident when a rock spontaniously spouted life- then off we trot. Actually lots more evidence behind the ET ellements- check it out with an open mind.

[wickywoowoo]

I am reading a book by Dr Rick Strassman called "DMT: The Spirit Molecule". It is about his research into the effect of the naturally occuring substance of DMT, an extremely potent psychedelic that the body naturally creates and the brain actively seeks on a large scale. In about half of all the experiences his testee subjects reported, they reported "alien" being present and a lot of them reported "Reptilian" creatures that are interested in our emotions - exactly what David Icke has said all along.

Why am I saying this in the Icke thread? Because DMT, I believe, is present in most psychedelic drugs and is a major part, if not the whole reason, of "tripping" on dope. DMT is also the scientific link to the religious and spiritual stories of "spiritual awakening", you have a spiritual awakening like Icke claims he did and like Terence McKenna and Bill Hicks did with drugs - they come to the EXACT same conclusion - reality is illusion and infinite love is all that exists.

The point I am making is that David Icke's more recent research and work on the non physical nature of reality is the exact, perfect explanation for the Reptilian research he has done. If he and others are correct and existence is merely a creation of consciousness, which works into the illusion through the pineal gland/brain like an astronaut in a spacesuit, then the DMT "trips" which can occur completely naturally and without drugs, could very well explain the Reptilians Icke talks of.

Credo Mutwa is a major part of his Reptilians work, I can't state as a fact but I will assume he is no stranger to psychedelic drugs and meditation. The friend of Diana is a spiritualist, I again assume meditation and maybe some psychedelics have crossed her path before and even those normal, straight people who claim to have seen may well have had an active dose of naturally occuring DMT in the body at the time and saw the "reptilian" nature that may well be all of us.

Dr Strassman of the book I mentioned previously stated that DMT - The "Spirit Molecule" may well be the way for our human self to experience the multitude of alternative dimensions that exist, and this may well explain the "Inter-Dimension Reptilians" that Icke has spoken about for years.

It needn't be a spaceship from Mars with Lizard People that sucked George W's spirit and took him over, it may well be what David Icke has stated all along and DMT, a naturally occuring substance in nature is the way these people have seen them and is our way of reaching them and whatever else is out there.

DMT is also a strong candidate for the entire alien abduction and near death experience cultures aswell, as the book states. Just because it may occur to us via DMT does not mean that they aren't "paranormal" and other dimensional in nature.

[Ignatz]

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[John White]

So if a person has a spiritual awakening without the use of drugs, would Dr Rick Strassman attribute that to the body producing internal DMT Wickywoowoo?

Great post btw

[wickywoowoo]

[marky 54]

[adam1]

Nice to see Wickywoowoo(www) banging the drum for psychedelics.
In answer to John's question, I would imagine that all spiritual all vibrational changes would have a chemical corollary in the brain and body.
Personally, one of my major ambitions in life is to be able to take these substances, DMT, psilocybin, in a peaceful place so that I can suitably explore the effects on my own inner workings, without having to be mindful of "threats" around me in 3-dimensional space. Ideally, this would be some sort of retreat venue with qualified "sitters" around to ensure help is on hand and so forth. If someone wants to help on such a project let me know.
It's pretty difficult to take a full-on psychedelic in today's "normal" environment, notwithstanding their illegality which can be a source of paranoia and enforce the "them and us" dichotomy.
Some posters on this thread are also talking about the genesis of world religions as supporting the lizardy hypothesis. I would like to propose the same for psychedelics, mushrooms in particular.
Also, remember Jim Morrison and the Lizard King? LSD will often provoke lizardy imagery.
DMT, for those unaware of it, is the naturally occuring psychoactive ingredient in the shamanic brew of the Amazon. It can also be synthesised. These things are natural, have a long history of use, 1000s of years, and given favourable "set and setting", are capable of producing profound healing and inter-dimensional experience.

[Ignatz]

[Ignatz]

[Bushwacker]

[Ignatz]

[Dogsmilk]

[John White]

[Stefan]

[wickywoowoo]

[Dogsmilk]

[adam1]

What great fun.
Salvia Div (sally) does not receive very many rave reviews unlike DMT (Ayahuasca) and various shrooms (still legal in Holland).
Ayahuasca is the brew, which is cleansing to the point of making you puke, but DMT (Divine Moments of Truth), the psychoactive ingredient, can be smoked or injected provided an MAO inhibitor is taken concomitantly. This provides a mindblowing trip of five to ten minutes, which leaves people utterly astonished and very often with a wholly new world view.
Will the plants save the planet? As we stand on the margins of our society with our political stance, we occupy the same territory as the shamans of old, looking beyond societies superficial role-playing into the deeper realities beyond. Drastic measures call for drastic solutions, as if the NWO doesn't get us, then the environment might well sign our death warrants anytime now.
The bioshphere has successfull regulated atmospheric conditions on planet earth for billions of years, providing the basis for human life. We've screwed it up, so who is the smarter species?
Google "Terence Mckenna" with "plants, plan, planet", he has got some great lectures including a great one called "eros and the eschaton" which I heartily recommend. If you want to hear a brainy funny guy give an erudite and entertaining discourse with a fully deconditioned mind, then this will give you weeks of enjoyment. Ok, I'm so enthusiaistic I've got the link for you: http://mckenna.transgress.org/Eros&Eschaton.mp3

[wickywoowoo]

[John White]

Yeah, thats the one, with a nice "all spirituality is mental delusion" line to go along with it

She gets wheeled out so often, its like she's been cloned

[Stefan]

This threads gone a bit off topic eh? But since we've gone this way-

It always annoys me when people act like describing something in scientific language explains it.

So all experiences that can't be understood are "chemical reactions in the brain" and if you are wondering on what level thoughts exist someone confidantly says "it's just electricity going around your brain".

Nietzsche referred to the value of this knowledge when he talked about someone discovering the camel when asked what it was saying proudly "it's a mamal!" when a mamal is a word we invented in the first place; it doesn't represent any new knowledge at all, we simply squeeze things we don't understand into the terms that we already do and then feel like our job is done; that we fool our selves into thinking we understand something simply by creating words to describe it.

When someone says to me "that's just a chemical reaction in the brain" I always reply "Yeah, but so are you".

And it's true- if we break it down there is nothing we can experience which is not based in chemicals and electrical currents in our brains.

Is this "knowledge"?