David Icke: Was He Right? on Google Video!

[paul wright]

For more practical purposes
http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online_headshop/productCategory.cfm?iPro ductCategoryID=85
http://www.potseeds.co.uk/
both recommended. The former has a really interesting forum worth reading

[Dogsmilk]

[John White]

Yeah, thats the one wobbler: my bad, poor memory

Weird that she now wants to get beyond the veil

Perhaps she's been talking to Graham Hancock

[wickywoowoo]

[Dogsmilk]

[John White]

[paul wright]

[marky 54]

mmmm im not sure what to make of this but it either ties in with whats happening now, or explains why 9/11 is unbelievable to some.
it sounds just like a 9/11 talk but about a differant subject.

worth a watch though cos you never know....

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7472823022720725604&q=ufo

tested the link dosnt work;\

google search = ufo-the secret goverment

[marky 54]

seriously watch it! its a differant crisis with the same stuff being said that i have read on forums. and it may explain everything that is happening to us regardless of the alien thing.

[Patrick Brown]

[Skeptic]

[adam1]

True enough skeptic, language is basically a vehicle for dualism, a cultural straitjacket that limits our awareness. That's why these substances are so powerful , we can get past the confines of our "language" and out into the space behind.
Getting back to the thread, I wanted to repeat that I was never under the impression that the whole "lizard" thing was a metaphor. I still don't think it's about metaphors, or that lizards are symbols for our wayward "leaders".
I think it's about real alien beings. For example, the moon is used as a powerful symbol in all sorts of contexts, yet nevertheless it also exists (I think) very truly as a large, er, ...moon, not too many miles distant.
Please tell me if David Icke has said that the whole lizard thing is purely metaphor.
Of course we could get into the "everything is a metaphor" realm, "holographic universe" and all that, but maybe not just yet, ay.

[John White]

Icke's always consistantly said he considers the reptillians to be 100% real: obviously that still makes them mythological as well, becuase the POV is that they have been here a jolly long time: my view is that ts 100% sound to consider them as metaphor, and if your cool with that your head might cope if the day comes that the buggers turn up

[John White]

[TimmyG]

as much as i'm keen for the 911 truth movement not to be too closely associated with icke and his reptilian stuff... i do like listening to the guy and that was a really good documentary.

he makes a lot of sense until he gets to the lizard illuminati stuff. i'm not sure about the gold patch on chest/cia thing either. i'm open to these things, i just can't see that theres enough evidence to draw these kind of conclusions.

[Belinda]

On the interaction with reptilian races with this planet listen to Val Valerian back in the '90s, he claims to have been around several times, he out-ickes Icke by a long straw.

But there are critics of Val V and where he comes from too and willy nilly you get sucked into a BIG ET-led debate.

Now earthlings are we ready for this debate, haven't we enough on our plates dealing with our own corrupt terrestrial governments/NWO, without getting into cosmic politics?

Focus PLEAASE. 9/11 is the start and the wake-up, we don't have to worry where folks go after that (but for sure they'll end up going sky-high)

[marky 54]

[wickywoowoo]

I guess sticking to 9/11 may be best on this forum, there are more appropriate places to discuss the other stuff.

I just get more interested in this stuff these days. When you talk about conspiracies so much to try and wake people up, you run the risk of appearing "obsessed" and fitting a stereotype that can be later used against you. I find a nice spiritual, "matrix" esque belief is a great counter to "he's a nutjob" comments.

It's like you evolve beyond conspiracies, you don't worry as much because you realise that it makes no difference what they do to you, they are you, you are them and in the end, your thoughts are all you are and they never experience pain, only the physical body, which isn't particularly real so it's a case of "I'll expose you, do what you want to me, I couldn't give a fug".

[marky 54]

i am open minded to anything being possible where there is evidence.

mutilated humans have been found.
mutilated cattle also
ufo crashes found to contain human body parts
ufo crashes in general
live aliens captured
dead aliens pulled from crashed craft
people having abduction experiances
people completely dissapearing and never found
lots of sightings, myself included once(maybe why i dont find it hard to believe)
lots of genuie footage taken, the fakes are made as ridicule and to debunk
a mass ridicule campagin launched to keep it quite, reports of sightings dropped as a result.
its said contact was made and an agreement reached between humans and others as they were well in advance and out matched our weapons and abilities it was best to befriend them.
they broke this agreement and could'nt be trusted, hence the need to develop and make our own weapons that would pose a challenge to these others. as a result numerous projects were launched.
because of the possibility of mass panic if the public found out responsibility was handed over to other groups/societys to deal with this threat and the american presidents thereafter were not allowed to know about it. because if the american president can say he had no clue about it goverment would'nt collapse hence the shadow goverment.
theres more and more stuff if you look into, like mass sightings over israel which could explain israels role in things, the wars we are currently experiancing to test and develop better weapons maybe?
mass slave programmes to push the development forward and at faster pace. there is an external threat, why they dont want us to know i dont know but they dont. although it would make more sense to unite us and work as one that isnt the current most likely threat as it stands today but has led to the mess.
global warning is far more urgent and any other being knowing this problem would not need to attack but simply stand by and watch.

[marky 54]

[marky 54]

just to explain because i dont feel i have, i am not saying that any ufo related issue is the only reason why all these things are happening, but i am saying it is playing a major part of the whole picture, and although i cannot prove it may well be why 9/11 was needed and/or why we cannot explain the collapse of the towers. ie: the technology is far more advanced than we would ever understand as it stands. its worth some research in my view as there is a big chunck of the picture missing and im speculating that these issues may well be that chunk. ie: an external threat.

[wickywoowoo]

[marky 54]

[marky 54]

next time i find something that has information in it that could explain a thing or to ill be sure to make sure it dosnt have content that makes others feel embarrased. sorry for trying to draw peoples attention to it i felt it explained how the ptb came to be and what one of the major issues are that are driving our current situation.

there i was listening to the same stuff this forum has mentioned barring ufo and aliens. then i see a guy talking about truth of aliens/ufo's and mentioning the things this forum has said and wondered could this tie in with everything that is happening. my mistake i apologize.

[marky 54]

just to add its from 1972 which is why i thought it could hold some truth as
the guy seems geniune and it mentions things ive seen here lots of times.

[adam1]

Nonsense both of you - we can discuss these things here without worries. David Icke is an important figure in the present day scenarios of conspiracy theories, 911, Diana, ALiens etc.
His views on 9/11 are similar to most people's on this forum, and he has probably influenced a greater number of people than most anyone else here.
I know that some members of this site are actually supporters of his.
As we're now well into "Aliens", I don't think we shuld stop sharing information with each other that might help understand Icke or any other alien issue that might enlighten us. The name of this thread is there for all to see, and if people don't want to follow it they don't have to; John White has been contributing enthusiastically and I'm sure we'll get notified by him or other mods if we're so off-topic so as to be damaging the movement.
Post away!

[John White]

I dont see one thread looking at David icke's ideas is any special threat to this forum, after all theres a lot of powerful concepts in Icke's work we would be better activists if we made sure we understod, and the best way to do that is through dicsussion. If anyone starts spamming it because of antagonism towards Ickes theories (fundie christians often turn up on an Icke thread and start posting vast swathes of scripture, for example), I'll sift junk posts out and keep it relevant: so far, this is a potent discussion and an interesting and informative thread

Having said that, it would also be remiss of me not to say:

Check out Illusions

[wickywoowoo]

I am more than happy to talk about all things Icke, the guy rings true with me twice as much as Alex Jones or any one else I can think of. He just seems really honest to me, you have to be to put up with the nonsense he's put up with.

It's nice to hear on that TurnSpeak interview that David Shayler is beginning to read into the same stuff Icke is. As a Scot, I do wonder what Englishmen called David get taught at school to be so out of the ordinary, hehe.

I only expressed my concern because if someone checking into 9/11 came to this forum, they may be encouraged with the information and then they find out that "the lizard man" is one of the major voices for 9/11 truth, it will turn people off, no matter how genuine Icke is. That was my only worry.