Why was telecasterisation banned from this forum?

[Patrick Brown]

Does anybody know what happened?

[Andrew Johnson]

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[hampton]

i must say this seems a little strange although there has been some negative energy in the air over the holidays causing short tempers.

sarcasm has been said to be the lowest form of wit but i think banning is a bit extreme.

i would have thought a week in critics corner would be sufficient, if it was really that bad.

this reawakens my desire to know the power/ownership structure of this site.

what is it they say about power & absolute power?

[Patrick Brown]

[Stefan]

I don't think this forum should be run like a democracy- in fact I agree with posters I have met who feel it should be scrapped altogether and replaced with a real-names only message board for campaign co-ordination alone, news turned into a bulletin board rather than a free entry forum and efforts for passing on of solid information re-directed to the evidence bank website.

What people forget is this is a public front of this movement, and that should be the number one concern- not freedom of speech- there are hundreds of public forums out there- if anything a good move for the movement would be to methodically split into small groups and take on public forums to try to convert people. Be missionaries not preach to the converted.

OK obviously I post here, and there is some value to having a general tittle tattle debate page, but note how on the evidence bank this is called "chit-chat" and thus is not presented as in anyway reflecting the views of the forum.

That said, i don't think telecastron was the worst offender, I can think of several other who fit that bill, and the whole point of having a critics corner is a little dubious.

Just one man's opinion.

[hampton]

ok why not rename this the free-speech forum and move it elsewhere with a link on the main site.

i was quick enough to read some of the recently removed posts. not very interesting but unfortunately i didn't save it.

did anyone else?

[Patrick Brown]

I've got a copy of the missing posts if you want me to PM them to you?

[Fallious]

We've been told that TTWSU3 can't be banned even though all but one moderator (Andrew) want him gone. Now we've also been told that tele was banned by Andrew even though not all moderators were consulted. Right?

Just keep repeating your defence Andrew 'it's not about me, i'm not responsible'.

[adam1]

Ouch, just had my post deleted - first time for me, and can't figure out why.
Maybe the mods are being remote-controlled by the lizardy cabal.

[Patrick Brown]

Adam the 19 posts that were removed are in the “hidden forums” and the debate is still going on. Basically AJ is feeling picked-on but most people are pointing out the fact that he is the person that had the power to ban and not the moderators. Other comments also mention the fact that AJ is a mate of 4U2P and Tele was banned for being his usual sarcastic self yet 4U2P gets away with abusive nasty comments as well as shilling!

Sorry Andrew but the simple way to resolve all this is to un-ban Tele. I don't think anybody expects an apology and I'm sure you won't give one but you might regain a degree of respect for doing the right thing. As for you pushing the NPT well that's up to you but you certainly don't come across as being impartial so it's probably better not to pretend . Andrew's into the NPT I'm into Jones nano-thermite theory. I believe there's evidence for Jones theory but unfortunately there's no evidence for baked beans and hologram-disguised-missiles.

[Snowygrouch]

What in the name of the beard of belshabarr are the "hidden forums"?

Sounds all sort of cloak'n'dagger n'stuff!

I somttimes feel a bit like I`m slap bang in the middle of some sort of international espionage stor........errrrrrr oh forgot......

C.

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

Banning is pointless - it amounts to censorship - something we aresupposed to be against.

Telly could join again with a different email address and call sign

[Andrew Johnson]

[Andrew Johnson]

[Patrick Brown]

[Dogsmilk]

Does anyone know what this shocking, banworthy comment actually was?
Or is it so extraordinarily offensive that it must never again be seen by mortal eyes?
I just can't imagine Tele being abusive, threatening or particularly rude.
This forum is becoming very weird.

[Patrick Brown]

[Patrick Brown]

OK found the thread: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=6152

[Dogsmilk]

Unless a post has been deleted, there doesn't appear to be anything beyond mild irony...?

[Patrick Brown]

So where is the evidence that would support the banning of Tele eh eh? Come on what's going on here? So Tony G can stamp his feet and say to daddy AJ “I don't like that man ban him daddy ban him”!!!

I did provide a simple solution to all this by suggesting you un-ban Tele but this hasn't happened, why? I'm sure I'm not the only one that is still waiting for the evidence to support such a ban. If no evidence is forthcoming we can only assume that Tele was banned for some reason only known to Tony G and AJ. Did somebody say fascists dictatorship? Soon anybody that doesn't accept the NPT, or is that a missile disguised by a hologram Andrew, will be banned from the site.

[brian]

A mistake, for whatever reason, has been made.

Sarcasm is liberally used by some - they should know who they are. It can be a useful and effective tool on occassion.

Surely a couple of phone calls can rectify this. Surely.

[Ignatz]

[John White]

Is that a request Ignatz?

The moderators have been actively communicating today and there will be a resolution to this particular little "net drama" relatively soon

[Pikey]

[iro]

pikey, you are a hopeless idealist. and that is not an insult - it is a statement of fact. there is no 'team' to play with or against here. this is a self imposed anarchical group with no backbone, direction, or philosophy.

since you cannot help but repeating the same annoying metaphor of the proverbial ball and man i will extend it for you in the hope that you might 'get' my point for the first time ever:
can you imagine alex ferguson saying to his best 11 on a big game - go out there and play your own games individually - no need for tactics or strategy.....? need i say any more? the opposition who are organised and disciplined will walk all over man united and slaughter them leading to 11 men roaming around endlessly chasing shadows and a very red faced manager chewing helplessly on his wrigleys extra = whats happening here

this whole board and campaign is completely useless in its current context.

fascism or anarchy is the tightrope 'we' are walking here and so far have failed exercising both philosophies as both are impossible and impracticable in the context we reside in. Time to sort it out members and mods. this place is completely negative, conflictory and pointless. it serves no purpose except causing trouble.

this forum and the campaign by extension has a chance here - it is hanging on a string right now - even the most sycophantic 'team player' die hard like yourself pikey must realise that. Every single action - like certain mod and member actions will be multiplied in effect as a result and therefore tread very carefully in your dealing with the 'critics' and those who tread the lines of what you accept and you disagree with. Remember there is no real 'party line' to reference or direct others to - there is no philosophy here except to question the 9/11 incident.... and that s all the 'team' agree on and that's basically * all.

i sincerely hope you particularly, and the other campaigners here don't reply in the usual ignorance 'how dare you mister negative' method and actually read this critically, but i remain a doubtful.

[paul wright]

Personally I'm pleased at all the people vacated voluntary or otherwise, apart from Ally for all his mock online aggression and prole art threat, though I've no idea why that one went - maybe something real bad
There's this team of snide twts who joined a few months ago and for a while made this board almost unreadable ,hammering in know-it-all comments all the time, like the CC inhabitants before them. One or two still remain. I wish they'd piss off and all
Life of Brian like this split up isn't it?

[Pikey]

iro states

[iro]

ha! as usual you fall into the parody of yourself that i outlined that you would, just call me negative without considering or addressing my thoughts.

negativity does not equal a criticism of hopeless idealism

time to grow up and start embracing reality instead of fantasy pikey

[Pikey]

Bump:-

[paul wright]

Perhaps the Blackpool gathering can start to face these divisive issues surfacing here and find ways of realistically dealing with them rather than everyone peeling off into their own divisive thing. Perhaps by identifying a small number of uniting threads.