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I'm not sure it looks like a Boeing 767:
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and it sure could have been doctored easily
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Woodee wrote: | | and it sure could have been doctored easily |
It was broadcast by Fox News and so ask them. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| physicist wrote: | | Woodee wrote: | | and it sure could have been doctored easily |
It was broadcast by Fox News and so ask them. |
Then re-encoded onto youtube, downloaded, re-encoded, turned into a 2 fps 256 colour animated gif, and slapped on a forum alongside a high resolution picture of the front of a parked plane.
I think you are the one to ask about doctoring.
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3
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Tony Gosling tells Alex Jones there are 3 to 4 million people in the UK who are prepared to go to jail rather than have an ID card.
So where is the evidence of this Tony?
Or did you just make it up? |
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[quote="Fallious"] | physicist wrote: | | Then re-encoded onto youtube, downloaded, re-encoded, turned into a 2 fps 256 colour animated gif, and slapped on a forum alongside a high resolution picture of the front of a parked plane. |
The number of colours is immaterial.
| Fallious wrote: | | I think you are the one to ask about doctoring. |
I'll look into it. |
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Woodee
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| Fallious wrote: | | physicist wrote: | | Woodee wrote: | | and it sure could have been doctored easily |
It was broadcast by Fox News and so ask them. |
Then re-encoded onto youtube, downloaded, re-encoded, turned into a 2 fps 256 colour animated gif, and slapped on a forum alongside a high resolution picture of the front of a parked plane. |
exactly. I just can't trust any digital image at the moment. Unless I see raw footage then I remain a skeptic 
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| physicist wrote: |
The number of colours is immaterial. |
Well I dunno. The last time I checked, the twin towers were grey and black striped. In your movie they are whiteboards? So we have to assume that other elements of the image have been equally distorted.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| Fallious wrote: | | physicist wrote: |
The number of colours is immaterial. |
Well I dunno. The last time I checked, the twin towers were grey and black striped. In your movie they are whiteboards? So we have to assume that other elements of the image have been equally distorted. |
I think it's more a question of morphology we are discussing.
Surely you must agree that, if it has not been doctored, the nose cone looks unusual? |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| The nose cone looks unusual because no plane hit the building. It was all CGI. |
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| thought criminal wrote: | | The nose cone looks unusual because no plane hit the building. It was all CGI. |
Of course it was.
It was really a scene from "The Long Gunmen" TV series, but seeing as no one watched it, no one recognised it. |
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| wickywoowoo wrote: | | thought criminal wrote: | | The nose cone looks unusual because no plane hit the building. It was all CGI. |
Of course it was.
It was really a scene from "The Long Gunmen" TV series, but seeing as no one watched it, no one recognised it. |
You are obviously as daft as your user name suggests? |
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What nose cone?
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| Fallious wrote: | | What nose cone? |
I have looked at that blatant and pathetic attempt of disinformation in your sig and I would suggest that you have ulterior motives to do that. Truth seeker, my foot. |
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Its visible in at least one other shot of that impact that I'm aware of. Unusual yes, inexplicable or impossible, no I don't think so.
You need to remember planes are pressurised vessels, just like Coke or spray cans and hence don't act like a tube of 'Bacofoil' when they hit a solid object. I bet the nose and cockpit were totally crumpled and collapsed, if you can get a better shot showing they weren't I'd be very surprised.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:49 am Post subject: |
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Idiots the lot of you. Why even respond to this obvious provocation.
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| thought criminal wrote: | | Fallious wrote: | | What nose cone? |
I have looked at that blatant and pathetic attempt of disinformation in your sig and I would suggest that you have ulterior motives to do that. Truth seeker, my foot. |
Care to outline where I went so badly wrong? Otherwise I'll keep it up there un-revised, and it's clear you think I've analysed the footage wrongly somehow. If you wouldn't mind just going over the points you think i'm incorrect on, i'd be glad to discuss and amend them..
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| Fallious wrote: | | thought criminal wrote: | | Fallious wrote: | | What nose cone? |
I have looked at that blatant and pathetic attempt of disinformation in your sig and I would suggest that you have ulterior motives to do that. Truth seeker, my foot. |
Care to outline where I went so badly wrong? Otherwise I'll keep it up there un-revised, and it's clear you think I've analysed the footage wrongly somehow. If you wouldn't mind just going over the points you think i'm incorrect on, i'd be glad to discuss and amend them.. |
Perhaps your sig looks disingenuous and facetious. Hence the good points you make will be weakened IMO. |
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| physicist wrote: |
Perhaps your sig looks disingenuous and facetious. Hence the good points you make will be weakened IMO. |
Well at least you didn't find anything worth arguing with in the article. I'm glad you consider it a solid debunking.
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| Thermate wrote: | Its visible in at least one other shot of that impact that I'm aware of. Unusual yes, inexplicable or impossible, no I don't think so.
You need to remember planes are pressurised vessels, just like Coke or spray cans and hence don't act like a tube of 'Bacofoil' when they hit a solid object. I bet the nose and cockpit were totally crumpled and collapsed, if you can get a better shot showing they weren't I'd be very surprised. |
The pressure inside the plane would not be as high as atmospheric pressure. Planes are pressurised at high altitudes to stop people suffocating but not by too much due to the pressure differential that the structure of the plane can withstand safely.
I can't see how a whole plane could plough into the building with its nose cone intact (crumpled or otherwise). Each floor of the south tower is, say, 10 feet high, but the fuselage of the plane would be at least 15 feet high. I'm talking approximate figures here. So the plane would have to plough through floors and ceilings with their steel trusses and concrete.
I'm not saying it's impossible but unlikely. |
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| Fallious wrote: | | Well at least you didn't find anything worth arguing with in the article. I'm glad you consider it a solid debunking. |
I haven't clicked the links yet. I'm not attracted to do so by your sig. Perhaps they are good sites. |
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Hey I've got the same sh*t happening over at the evidence base: http://911evidencebase.16.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=33 
I keep trying to explain that a plane hit the south tower but certain people see a holographic cloaked missile. Some people seem to be obsessed with phallic symbols and penetration! 
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The good news is you can just ban them Patrick!
On the crumpled nose thing, here's a simple experiment; take a newspaper, roll it up as tight as you can, wrap it tightly in Bacofoil and hammer it into the ground. Note the effects.
But anyway, too much focus on minor details... We don't need to prove what really happened, only that what they told us was a LIE.
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| thought criminal wrote: | | wickywoowoo wrote: | | thought criminal wrote: | | The nose cone looks unusual because no plane hit the building. It was all CGI. |
Of course it was.
It was really a scene from "The Long Gunmen" TV series, but seeing as no one watched it, no one recognised it. |
You are obviously as daft as your user name suggests? |
Your username implies you are a thought criminal. I wouldn't use someone's username as some sort of ammunition, especially if you believe CGI was used on 9/11.
Even the NPT people have dismissed that ridiculous idea a while ago now. |
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| wickywoowoo wrote: | | thought criminal wrote: | | wickywoowoo wrote: | | thought criminal wrote: | | The nose cone looks unusual because no plane hit the building. It was all CGI. |
Of course it was.
It was really a scene from "The Long Gunmen" TV series, but seeing as no one watched it, no one recognised it. |
You are obviously as daft as your user name suggests? |
Your username implies you are a thought criminal. I wouldn't use someone's username as some sort of ammunition, especially if you believe CGI was used on 9/11.
Even the NPT people have dismissed that ridiculous idea a while ago now. |
CGI IS NPT, you fool. I am dismissing you because your name suits your persona. |
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| I thought NPT had transformed into missiles and not planes and had left the CGI theory long ago? |
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| wickywoowoo wrote: | | I thought NPT had transformed into missiles and not planes and had left the CGI theory long ago? |
Maybe this is so in 'woowoo land', but nowhere else. |
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| Then you are even more daft than I thought then, quite frankly. |
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I'm not going to pretend a lot of NPT stuff isn't compelling, but I'm far from convinced on any induvidual element of it-
First off- don't missiles tend to have their explosive pay load in the nose?
If so, then how come the nose is intact while the explosion is going off inside the building and breaking through the outer walls?
Has anyone considered that if there was a "planes theory" (which is the most likely) that the noses of the planes to be used in it might be reinforced if they had envisioned a problem with penetration?
It's a far less "sci-fi" solution to a problem.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Stefan wrote: | | First off- don't missiles tend to have their explosive pay load in the nose? |
No. The nosecone contains the guidance system. Once it hits the target, that doesn't need to work any more and a hard penetrating nosecone is required.
The payload is further back, then the fuel, then the jet engine.
For a win-win solution for us, perhaps it was a missile that looked like a plane? |
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