Agents and Provocateurs

[Hazzard]

I have posted this topic before as a warning against intelligence agents using COINTEL operations against forums on the internet that involve the 9/11 conspiracy theory.

It has become apperent to me that this forum is one of the worst hit I have ever come across and I have been in many of them.

I suggest the moderators do something and soon or this forum is going to become a hindrance to the truth rather than an ally.

[Busker]

[blackcat]

[John White]

Is this a call for "Something must be done!"?

Well, we've done something, hopefully a very good thing

But be careful what you wish for!

[ian neal]

[paul wright]

[Hazzard]

Thanks mods. I'm not really sure what you should do exactly, but thats not my job I just post here. Just as long as the mods are aware of the agents lurking all over the net. We seem to be hit pretty hard here.

I just dont understand why people have to reply to those stupid obvious provocative posts. Who gives a rats behind about Dr. Steven Nobody, Or Jim "lay off the twinkies" Fetzer or whatever his name is. What have they got that we need? I have a degree, does that make me important? Does that make me some kind of expert?

Its like Alex Jones said, the only way we can avoid infiltration and COINTEL operations is to remain a fluid organic LEADERLESS organism that works towards one single goal, which is the exposure of the truth.

Like I have said many times, who gives a crud about how they did it? We know who is apart of the problem and if we can expose them for the liers and traitors that they really are, the method will become apparent.

Sometimes I think that their are people in this "movement" that consider this to be some kind of game or hobby. This is real folks. We are talking about the END GAME here. The final drive to push for a one world totalitarian government. All those cheesy cliches about evil madmen trying to "Take over the world" are actually comeing true and unless we break out of this pseudo-intellectual, up our own arses, argue about the color of the sky mentality we are screwed.

[thought criminal]

[alwun]

Hazzard,
There is more than a grain of truth in what you say. Our main task is indeed to somehow force the issue of a full re-investigation of the 911 atrocity. We here, and many more elsewhere, are by now quite convinced of the mendacity of the official account of that terrible event. How best, then to instill the same certainty in the many, many more who remain uninformed.

The thought arises in me, that although 21st century media has played an important, even fundamental role in alerting us, the public, about 911, this can mean also that some sections of citizenries are kind of in danger of being bypassed. I would say that 911 awareness is certainly much more prevalent among those who are possessed of and/or conversant with computers, for example. The world which is thereby opened up embraces the web and other modes of transmission of ideas which flow from pc usage. Burning dvds, youtubes and forum sites such as this could be cited as examples of relatively recent media.
It is also true, however, that such methods remain relatively private. A dvd for example needs usually to be taken home, and then will often be viewed in private, if at all. A certain time needs to be set aside for this, and in a particular location with relatively specialised and costly equipment to boot.
I am beginning to wonder if a monthly freesheet or somesuch paper based
journal could not be devised, funded and then distributed by hand to pubs and other popular meeting places throughout the land. A paper journal is freed from many of the constraining influences of digital media. Readily shared, discussed, passed on or simply left around for the next reader. A reader who, remember, now only needs to look and read. There are few citizens today who are not up for a read about a truly shocking scandal. Why not out-tabloid the tabloids?
It's not, I'm sure we can agree, as if there is a lack of interesting, even riveting material to hand.
Remember also, that our very familiarity with the powerful publishing tools freely available for all nowadays, brings the task of producing a paper publication down to a relatively simple level.
No exaggerations or stretching the truth of 911 required, to be sure. Nasty villains aplenty in the murky background of this truly dastardly plot. Expose them, I say, for all the world to see, in the time-honoured fashion of the penny dreadful.

cheers anyway, Al..

[Hazzard]

Alwun about your paper idea, as long as it is nothing directly aimed at 911 thats fine becuase that cant happen that way. People just wont respond. Things that relate to it would be good however such as constant stories and exposure of the Rothschilds, Bilderbergs, Trilaterals and CFR's movements and actions would be good as well as coverage of attrocities around the world and such.

But there is one thing you brought up which I dont agree with. This is something I think people will get angry with me for but I has to be said I think none the less. I do not think re-investigating 9/11 or 7/7 will help at all. Infact it may actually make our situation worst, which is to expose the truth and gain support from more and more people becoming aware by looking for themselves.

First off we are blarring about a re-investigation. Who are we blarring to? The Government. So if they agree who will carry out this investigation? The Government. In fantasy world where all our hopes and dreams come true, who would this un-bias REAL investigation find was responsible? The Government. How do we the public make certian that this investigation remains un-bias and full of people that can be relied upon to do their job properly and not have any kind of covert agenda? By interacting with the Government.

Everything about an official investigation leads us to a problem, the Government is involved. And when the suspect is involved and actually possibly leads the investigation into his own crime, do you really think the results are going to come back un-tainted? Doubtfull to say the least.

It actually makes our situation worst becuase all of the people who arnt aware of the truth and who refuse to look for themselves will actually have more ammunition to shoot us down as soon as this issue is raised "Well you got your investigation and the results were that it was terrorists on their own but your still not convinced your just PARANOID". Not to mention who could say how long this investigation takes. It could take years! In that time evidence and witnesses could have been destyroyed, we already know that the FBI and CIA have destroyed mountains of incriminating papers since 9/11. Not to mention the sheer amount of raw evidence that would have been vaporised when building 7 was demolished. This time period also leaves the possibility that other more important stages in the New World Orders plans can be accomplished before the investigation is completed, such as a nuclear bomb in a city area which would turn public opinion against the investigation to say the least as the propaganda machine goes into overdrive and stirs the western world into a ferver of war and police state mentality.

The only chance we have is to continue to shout, and scream and wave until the MAJORITY of the public can see what we all see. When that happens and ONLY when that happens can the situation be solved. Everything at that point that the government says will be under extreme scrutiny and chances are nobody in their right mind is going to buy anything they say ever again and things can then move ahead. But right now we are kneck deep in the *. The ball is in their hands and they own and run the court. They own all the doors and hold all the keys. Until we can make the majority of people realise this by determination and love of the truth, we cannot change the way the world works becuase a * is always just a spindoctor away.

[James C]

The end game is to take Alex Jones at face value.

[alwun]

Hazzard,

I take your point about the investigation. No government will succumb to investigation by forces other than their own. We have enough evidence here at home of the whitewashes which result from govt.-led inquiries. However, I am not convinced that the public are necessarily eager to shun the 911 exposure that we are hoping to effect. My view is that any communication is better than none. At least the events of 911 are relatively visible, prosaic and comprehensible compared to the machinations of shadowy Biderberg or other groupings which may indeed require investigation and elimination. Surely 911 is a prime tip of that iceberg wherein reside those demonic manipulators who are currently pushing forward, even flaunting, their 'eternal war' agenda.

cheers Al..

[Thermate]

I don't think a US led investigation will ever arrive at the honest answer to 911. What we should push for is a World Court investigation or Interpol or some such multi-national and independent body.

[Hazzard]

Thermate please be aware that anything that comes from the world court is legally void as we should not recognise anything that comes from any kind of unification of nations or global political body. This is exactly what we are trying to fight.

There will be no peaceful and free global governance. Realise that.

Also any independant civilian investigation will not be recognised by the majority of the public unless it deals with the government to ensure it is fair which in it self is reprisentational of mass brainwashing.