BBC2 conspiracy series & 9/11 programme

[zeuszeus00]

If you guys would like to post your comments on the BBC 2 series, The Conspiracy Files, you can do so on Michael Rudin's blog - here is the link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/12/conspiracies_wont_go_awa y_1.html

Michael Rudin is the Series Producer for The Conspiracy Files. There will be four programmes in the series: Diana, 9/11, the Oklahoma City bombing, David Kelly.

[Newspeak International]

[Newspeak International]

...coupled with the downing of Talksports website is not suspicious in any way.

[Leiff]

[IronSnot]

Hi zeus, good to see you pop by.

[BBC5.tv]

Man that guys spent nearly 200 words explaining why we should trust him out of a total of 800. Get a grip son. I believed you before you went converting me.

[Keith Mothersson]

Talksport website now back.

Diana archive at Cremation of care is very useful, haven't reflected to consider how comprehensive it is though. (Be good to have French partners.)

The stuff I found noteworthy were:

May 1999 - fire in seucre attic storeroom of Palais de Justice effectively destroys side door and rear wing of Mercedes, and other items;

Diana in fear over '95 crash - brakes failed;

I knew about her belief her bodyguard Barry Mannakee had been 'bumped off' - it seems the case that Hewitt was warned off by reference to 'what happened to Mannakee'.

Somes had warned her of 'accidents can happen - warned or threatened? she thought the lagtter and had him down as one of the three men who most hated her, anaother being her brother in law te Queen's secretary, Sir Robert Fellowes, who has been reported in Daily Mail as having been at the operations room of Paris embassy that night, not in Norfolk as he claims.

Theft of Stevens laptop - quite like old days (his N. Ireland inqury)

French with-holding their agent-handling files.

The most interesting thing was a ThisisLondon report of 30.9.06 saying that a new witness Jacques Morel had come forward who says he was travelling the opposite way with his wife, and saw 'a dozen' shadowy men on the tiny central reservation pavement between the pillars just immediately before the crash. Not sure how reliable - but he also reported a loud crash and bright light. It seems he has written a book.

Oh, and they also have links to the Camilla car accident - which happened in June 1997.

Thanks for this, Cremation of care!

[GazeboflossUK]

As part of their Conspiracy series the BBC are planning a program on 9/11, as many of you will have already heard.
Now, I think (considering the amount of attention the celebrity Big Brother racism complaints have achieved) that a well organised and cohesive effort to bombard Ofcom and the BBC about any misleading lies, ignoring of key information, character assassination and basically ANY attempts to cover-up the truth is a good idea.

Mass efforts to pick apart the most clear cut & serious distortions of the truth and then gather them into a single document with counter evidence to back us up.

I would really like to know what everyone thinks about this - as well as many more suggestions that I am sure will make this idea have a far greater impact.

Gareth.

[GazeboflossUK]

no?

[scubadiver]

You have to remember that the majority of the population have no doubt accepted the official version and tried to move on (as it were).

Any attempt to do something like this will be dismissed.

Trying to get Mr Cameron to have an open mind was ignored so we have to remain at grass roots. After all, it is the people who vote for the MP's.

(IMHO)

[GazeboflossUK]

I do know what you are saying, yes. The David Cameron thing was a complete joke. I actually thought he would react in the way he did.

BUT, it probably won't need too much of an effort on our part.

If there were many people willing to bug David Cameron about it to find out the reaction from him, I don't see why mass complaints to the BBC/Ofcom shouldn't at least be attempted.
No doubt there's going to be a massive debate within the 9/11 truth movement about the BBC's programme after it airs anyway- so why not put this energy into something that might indeed have a positive outcome?
Whereas preaching to the choir on message boards, energising it may be, is not always proactive.

[scubadiver]

It certainly has some potential but then again I wonder whether Ofcom will just ignore the complaints, regardless of how many there are.

[GazeboflossUK]

Well, yes....that very well might be the case.

But we'll never know unless we try.

[ian neal]

Gareth

I think this is an excellent idea. I have already started compiling ideas and links in preparation for just such a response. If you or others are interested in working together in anticipating what some of our complaints might be and drafting a suitable response that would then distributed for wider support, please PM/email me and we can share ideas.

One area I anticipate is the repetition of the devise used on the diana programme: 'conspiracists' say this , 'conspiracists' say that as if one or two carefully selected 'conspiracists' can accurately represent the views of the 9/11 truth movement. Using a few 'straw man' theories, which they feel capable of debunking to label the whole 9/11 truth movement as kooks, etc.

I may be wrong but I anticipate this whole 'conspiracy files' series will be used to discredit all conspiracy theories in the public mind. In anticipation I have started to collect documentaries that the BBC (and other mainstream western braodcasters) have themselves screened that support conspiracy worldview.

Here is a selection. More examples gratefully received

Why we fight, BBC Storyville: War and the military industrial banking complex

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4924034461280278026

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/storyville/why-we-fight.sht ml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_We_Fight_%282005_film%29


Dead in the water, BBC documentary, 2002 on the attack of the USS Liberty by Israel during the 6 day war and the subsequent cover-up

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6595846710992512471

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/dead_in_the_water. shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident



Operation Gladio 3 part Timewatch BBC documentary series from 1992 on the network of secret agents operating Western Europe and false flag terrorism

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4900756773650110959

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7384572060848760784

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5740740737600611346

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

BBC Timewatch – Gladio (1992)

Three-part series investigating the secret activities of 'stay behind' units in Europe after the Second World War. Exposes the clandestine terrorist activities of these groups in Belgium & Italy, and their involvement with the CIA. Directed by Allan Francovich


John Pilger: Breaking the Silence: Truth and Lies in the War on Terror

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-210088912352527308

http://en.wiki.globaltruth.org/Breaking_the_Silence



The money masters: documentary on the history of money

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8753934454816686947

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2665915773877500927

http://www.themoneymasters.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Money_Masters



What I’ve learned about US foreign policy

http://www.addictedtowar.com/dorrel.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3453261789658676035



Power of nightmares: 3 Part BBC documentary 2005

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1002626006461047517

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7930933565201168

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8732625326538179377



War is sell

http://globaltruth.org/video/war_is_sell.html



The genius of George Bush

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3534791936101725686



Sacrifice at Pearl Harbour; BBC

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=499969763583352893

[Skeptic]

Great idea.

We could start a thread on here to collate all the faults/ misleading bits in the documentary.

We could use the critiques of Loose Change or Jim Hoffmna's responses to Popular Mechanics as models(?).

[GazeboflossUK]

Fantastic,

Ian, Skeptic - Great to have some people on board.

I actually haven't seen some of those BBC programmes - so thanks Ian - I'll have to put some time aside to watch them soon.

And yes, feel free to start another thread somewhere on the board to publically collect a "file" of material after the programme airs.

I look forward to any updates on this and I will also make sure I pass on any new thoughts from myself.

Gareth.

[ian neal]

Thanks Gareth

As well as examples of BBC programmes that are sympathetic to a 'conspiracy worldview', I am also looking for examples where mainstream news media have been blatantly caught peddling lies in order to sell war.

Two of my favourite examples are the Kuwaiti incubator lie and the Freeing Jessica Lynch lie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO2yK5ewC_0

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/archive/030910_spinning_t o_win.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1832200.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/3028585.stm

and this 10 minute excerpt from power of nightmares

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQFC8AlCVjE

Further examples gratefully accepted

[fixuplooksharp]

Just saw an ad for the 9/11 conspiracy files on bbc. It said 'coming soon' It also has Alex Jones saying "there is no doubt that 9/11 was an inside job".

How are they going to frame it? I'm worried. Looking fwd to it, but could also ruin uk 9/11 truth.

[spiv]

Why will it ruin 911 truth?? No doubt it will try to present us all as "wild conspiracy theorists", but I believe that many many people are fully capable of looking behind and beyond this accusation, and perhaps triggering off in their own minds their own questions about the anomolies of that dark day.

In fact, in my own opinion, the fact that this is now starting to enter the mainstream media tells me that many people are staring to take heed about all of this!!!

[malcks]

lets hope it causes some people to question parts of the official story,think we have to push Press For Truth dvd..
malcks

[insidejob]

If I were a BBC producer and believed that 911 was an inside job, I'd probably frame the programme in terms of the growing number of 'conspiracy nuts'. I might even attack the Truth Movement with the no WTC planes theory. But I would make a documentary that attacks the official theory. That is, I would both attack the 911 Truth Movement and attack the official conspiracy theory. In that way, I could get across some of the cogent arguments.

[rodin]

Are the Bolshevicks going to bring the US down with this? Imagine Iran kicking off and the media wading in with US did 911? No double the Sheeple will be desperate for a UN re-solution.

I am buying cheap put options on Wall St.

Feast of Purim in 4 weeks...

[fixuplooksharp]

i just hope jonesy doesnt go mental on them (like the bbc filming hi while he is on one of his tirades on air on his radio station) and they don't try and turn this whole thing into a joke and a character assasination.

BUT I AM SOOOOOO INTERESTED AS TO HOW THEY FRAME THE WHOLE DABATE- THIS SHOULD BE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

[GazeboflossUK]

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=6519

[Banish]

Uhh! * the BBC. Lying war criminal b'stards!

[Carlos]

wow.. it really is catching fire.. although BBc will baltently make it "palletable" for the british public, ut if they got Alex on it, then well he doesn't mince his words, or can be edited really .. lol

[Fallious]

There was a sky 3 documentary series 'conspiracies', I think. They had an episode on "the elite", featuring mostly Alex pointing at that blasted new skyscraper which apparently looks like an owl. They also featured some bohemian grove stuff.

My point being, that Alex's tirades on the elite and significant imagery are often over zealous (doubly over here in blighty due to our reserved manner!). But I honestly can't see them picking out anything excessively OTT if they are limiting themselves to even picking out his most wacky talk of 9/11. When he speaks on this stuff he is usually right on subject.

If they are doing the tours of figure heads, they must also feature Griffin and Shayler, though if he speaks about NPT, i'm done with him. So that should balance out Alex's rather *ahem* loud presence.

[kookomula]

What a miserable bunch of * some of you are really.

[Hazzard]

How is the British Brainwashing Coperation going to frame it?

Do you even have to ask? Come on guys.

TV belongs to the NWO.

[simonralli]

Guys

The BBC gave us one of the best lobbying stories possible - three separate web articles which revealed the hijack suspects were still alive. If you ever take them to an MP who does not know this - you can see the blood drain from their face as you show them the stories.

So let us wait and see how this goes. It could be a stitch up or it could be OK.