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ah i see what you mean. total time 13 seconds counting the other penthouse, but from when the whole building began to fall down 6 seconds to hit the floor. i suppose both sides are right in a way on time it just depends how you look at it. its still a fast collapse at freefall speed from the point the building(not penthouse) fell.
the graph that shows 18 seconds i dont know how to take that. i mean it has one tower down as 8 seconds with means one tower fell faster than we first thought and 10 seconds quicker than wtc7 and it had a longer way to fall. if we take it to be accurate then that would be the case and would raise more questions. |
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| Thermate wrote: | | Oh and those WTC7 photos look fake to me. The site you got them off is the most comical debunk site I've yet seen. Find us a video (or 2) showing that ridiculous cloud pouring off the building, please. |
I see you don't see fit to withdraw your suggestion the photo was faked. Why is that?
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| Thermate wrote: | | Bushwacker wrote: | | at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department |
hehehe hehe heh
Yes, in 6seconds, into its footprint. 47 stories. With a crimp in the middle, squibs running up all sides and massive clouds of heated pyroclastic white dust.
O k a y. . . . I f y o u s a y s o m a t e ! |
Was the roof of 30 W Broadway part of WTC7's footprint? If not, please stop making that ridiculous claim. It makes you look so silly I almost begin to feel bad for you.
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| Ignatz wrote: | | Thermate wrote: | | Oh and those WTC7 photos look fake to me. |
I see you don't see fit to withdraw your suggestion the photo was faked. Why is that? |
I didn't say they were fake - I said they look fake.
See, we can all play the shill game. 
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| Thermate wrote: | | Ignatz wrote: | | Thermate wrote: | | Oh and those WTC7 photos look fake to me. |
I see you don't see fit to withdraw your suggestion the photo was faked. Why is that? |
I didn't say they were fake - I said they look fake.
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So you're covering up your own very public error by pretending it was all a bit of a joke.
Pitiful.
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I expect it just looked as if WTC7 fell into its own footprint as well!
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in all fairness if he said they looked faked then thats what he meant.
it isnt other peoples faults critics take that to mean what they want it to mean, whilst adding a few comments that was never said. as i found out during this thread also. |
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| marky 54 wrote: | in all fairness if he said they looked faked then thats what he meant.
it isnt other peoples faults critics take that to mean what they want it to mean, whilst adding a few comments that was never said. as i found out during this thread also. |
You can read his mind? Thermate is a deluded liar.
He said :
"Oh and those WTC7 photos look fake to me. The site you got them off is the most comical debunk site I've yet seen. Find us a video (or 2) showing that ridiculous cloud pouring off the building, please."
His meaning was totally clear, and he isn't man enough to admit his mistake.
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marky 54
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| Ignatz wrote: | | marky 54 wrote: | in all fairness if he said they looked faked then thats what he meant.
it isnt other peoples faults critics take that to mean what they want it to mean, whilst adding a few comments that was never said. as i found out during this thread also. |
You can read his mind? Thermate is a deluded liar.
He said :
"Oh and those WTC7 photos look fake to me. The site you got them off is the most comical debunk site I've yet seen. Find us a video (or 2) showing that ridiculous cloud pouring off the building, please."
His meaning was totally clear, and he isn't man enough to admit his mistake. |
no i carnt read his mind but i can read his post.
he said they looked faked which dosnt necessarily mean he thinks they are fake and theres no doubt about it.
if he had said they are fake then that would mean he thought they were fake. but he said looked faked which means he isnt sure one way or another. he thinks they could be real but also could be faked and has'nt commited to either by saying look faked.
given the potential for fakes on the internet its sometimes hard to tell. just because you believe them not to be faked dosnt mean everyone thinks the same. theres some dodgy ufo footage about people believe 100% and ive said myself they look fake, meaning just that but not knowing if they are or not because i didnt shoot the footage and aint a fake expert. now i aint getting into a arguement about if they are fake or not because i havent said i think they are or anything.
im just pointing out its easy to take what people say out of context, ive done it myself before and then had it abruptly pointed out as well as others doing the same to me. forums do not show emotion in what is being said so posts will always be taken the way you read them, that dosnt mean that is how the poster meant it. read this post in a nasty voice and then read it back in a soft friendly voice and you'll picture in your head two differant people. look and are mean totally differant things. |
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Thermate
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| Ignatz wrote: | | Thermate is a deluded liar. |
Oh sorry, I don't drop into 'Shills Corner' very often, every few days at best, its not an area that interests me. Perhaps if you need someone to insult more often you could drop me a PM? Thanks.
The facts point to WTC7 being brought down by controlled demolition. You want to argue otherwise go ahead but fortunately I don't have to listen to your well funded bs
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| Thermate wrote: | | Ignatz wrote: | | Thermate is a deluded liar. |
Oh sorry, I don't drop into 'Shills Corner' very often, every few days at best, its not an area that interests me. Perhaps if you need someone to insult more often you could drop me a PM? Thanks.
The facts point to WTC7 being brought down by controlled demolition. You want to argue otherwise go ahead but fortunately I don't have to listen to your well funded bs |
You're caught in a barefaced lie and without the intellectual integegrity to admit it.
Discussing evidence, and proved wrong, you resort to pure chutzpah.
If you do choose to "drop into CC" then learn to deal with evidence. Otherwise steer clear.
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| Ignatz wrote: | | Thermate wrote: | | Ignatz wrote: | | Thermate is a deluded liar. |
Oh sorry, I don't drop into 'Shills Corner' very often, every few days at best, its not an area that interests me. Perhaps if you need someone to insult more often you could drop me a PM? Thanks.
The facts point to WTC7 being brought down by controlled demolition. You want to argue otherwise go ahead but fortunately I don't have to listen to your well funded bs |
You're caught in a barefaced lie and without the intellectual integegrity to admit it.
Discussing evidence, and proved wrong, you resort to pure chutzpah.
If you do choose to "drop into CC" then learn to deal with evidence. Otherwise steer clear. |
Thermate doesn't like evidence, fantasy is more fun! |
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Please explain.
Please provide evidence for whatever aspect of CT you want to support.
And, bear in mind, statements like "I don't see how..." carry zero weight.
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | Ignatz wrote: | | Thermate wrote: | | Ignatz wrote: | | Thermate is a deluded liar. |
Oh sorry, I don't drop into 'Shills Corner' very often, every few days at best, its not an area that interests me. Perhaps if you need someone to insult more often you could drop me a PM? Thanks.
The facts point to WTC7 being brought down by controlled demolition. You want to argue otherwise go ahead but fortunately I don't have to listen to your well funded bs |
You're caught in a barefaced lie and without the intellectual integegrity to admit it.
Discussing evidence, and proved wrong, you resort to pure chutzpah.
If you do choose to "drop into CC" then learn to deal with evidence. Otherwise steer clear. |
Thermate doesn't like evidence, fantasy is more fun! |
Yep!
A poor way to have fun, though.
Self-delusion so's to be part of the in-crowd.
Manipulate the unwary and ignorant.
Insult the dead,the bereaved and those that did their best.
Might as well play online shoot'em'up games and pretend you've conquered alien planets.
Except - that would be *relatively* harmless self-delusion.
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| and again, ironic.. |
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Yiddish... why does that not surprise me? .................
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | Thermate doesn't like evidence, fantasy is more fun! |
 The rubbish you guys peddle is not evidence. Its extremely distorted, biased and cherry picked to only support the 'Official Fairy Tale' and/or further cover-up, obscure and hamper discovery of what really happened that day. But why am I telling you this? You already know it, its why your here.
Why not hold hands with Ignatz while the tumbleweed rolls by?
Suckers.
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Yiddish... why does that not surprise me? ................. |
Care to explain?
Next time you drop by, maybe?
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| Quote: | | Oh sorry, I don't drop into 'Shills Corner' very often, every few days at best, its not an area that interests me. |
The funny thing is, a better name for Critic's Corner isn't Shills Corner, it would be something along the lines The World Beyond Your Bedsit or The Outside World.
You accidentally wandered out of your little echo chamber cult for a moment, got scared, and ran back in. You're not exactly arguing from a position of strength here, your little group is on a slow road to nowhere. Maybe decades from now you will still be typing away in web forums and seeing other flea bitten losers and saddos for your occasional meetings (that's the second thursday of every month at 8pm, at the community center, right after the Trotskyists for World Revolution Now! and before the vegan anarchists for eco-peace). Who cares? Other than providing occassional amusement for others, what's it all adding up to? Nothing. |
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| Thermate wrote: | | Bushwacker wrote: | | Thermate doesn't like evidence, fantasy is more fun! |
The rubbish you guys peddle is not evidence. Its extremely distorted, biased and cherry picked to only support the 'Official Fairy Tale' and/or further cover-up, obscure and hamper discovery of what really happened that day. But why am I telling you this? You already know it, its why your here.
Why not hold hands with Ignatz while the tumbleweed rolls by?
Suckers. |
See, marky, now that really is ironic, thermate posts this stuff criticising the real evidence he does not like to read about, and what is his avatar under the name "thermate" but a picture of a column clearly cut through with a cutting torch! |
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but again even that is ironic because everything you've said about thermate so far applies to yourselfs also especially where evidance is concerned.
the avater ect just depends on what you believe so it may seem ironic to you, but im not 100% sure about how that column was cut so i carnt really comment. i can only say it could of been cut by torches but i dont see how anyone knows 100% it was unless evidence exsists of firemen actually cutting that specific column at that specific time.
it may seem logical to presume firemen cut it but with the way the towers fell its hard for me to say confidently it was firemen who did it. i aint getting into an arguement about how it was cut or how the towers fell im just explaining how i feel about the column you mention. although if you know of any evidence (photos ect) of firemen cutting that column id love to see it if any exsist. |
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| pepik wrote: | | Quote: | | Oh sorry, I don't drop into 'Shills Corner' very often, every few days at best, its not an area that interests me. |
The funny thing is, a better name for Critic's Corner isn't Shills Corner, it would be something along the lines The World Beyond Your Bedsit or The Outside World.
You accidentally wandered out of your little echo chamber cult for a moment, got scared, and ran back in. You're not exactly arguing from a position of strength here, your little group is on a slow road to nowhere. Maybe decades from now you will still be typing away in web forums and seeing other flea bitten losers and saddos for your occasional meetings (that's the second thursday of every month at 8pm, at the community center, right after the Trotskyists for World Revolution Now! and before the vegan anarchists for eco-peace). Who cares? Other than providing occassional amusement for others, what's it all adding up to? Nothing. |
another looney who thinks people here are just making everthing up from scratch. your freedom is being ebbed away and wars are growing all around the world, and because of one event 9/11 where some things dont add up. so if we are going to be obilterated and almost all the population of the world perishes would it not be nice to make sure that happened on truth and not on murderous lies? |
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your freedom is being ebbed away |
I'm interested to know what I can't do now that I could have done, say 10 years ago.
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | marky 54 wrote: |
your freedom is being ebbed away |
I'm interested to know what I can't do now that I could have done, say 10 years ago. |
lets see if your still saying that in 10 years, if you are igronant to the passing of laws in both the uk and u.s which threaten our civil liberties thanks to the war on terror then you are beyond help and prove how little you are aware of what is happening. why dont you look up what laws have been changed. people have been arrested on terrorism charges for reasons unknown to us and detained for numerous days with no rights and tried on evidence they wasnt allowed to see, but thats ok right they are arab so obviously terrorists in your mind. lets just hope these laws never apply to us hey. which they could easily do if we just redefine what a terrorists is or what is considered as terrorism.
also in the uk you are not aloud to heckle a speaker or protests in a certain radius of parilment meaning freedom of speech is being restricted.
a 80ish year old man was forcefully removed from a conference for dareing to express his opinion.
we are not aloud to film anywhere without being hassled by police and either being questioned or asked to move and turn of the camera, you cannot film a police officer but they can stand there with a camera pointed in your face at point blank range. these are only a few examples there are so many, why dont you look into it. and what ever you find has been changed remember thats just so far. |
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| Quote: | 'm interested to know what I can't do now that I could have done, say 10 years ago.
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Off the top of my head. And I've a cracking headache tonight.
Protest within a square mile of parliament
Film in London without harassment
Not be stopped and searched without a reason
Not have the police keep your DNA if you're innocent
Travel the tube without paying through the nose for the privilege of not having all your journeys logged (Oyster cards - normal tickets now way more expensive)
Get a 1st time passport without attending an interview
Get a passport without an RFID chip
Be Asian and only get abused for being a "paki" as opposed to also being viewed with suspicion and regarded as a potential terrorist
Be a Muslim and not be frightened the police might be kicking down your door and trying to pin trumped up terrorism charges on you
Expect to be detained by the police only if they've charged you and have some kind of evidence against you.
Expect not to be whisked away to some foreign torture chamber or concentration camp in Cuba on the basis of zero evidence and with no actual charges being brought.
Buy/use psylocybin bearing fungus that grows naturally every Autumn
Purchase items from shops safe the knowledge they contain no RFID chips or that you've been secretly filmed picking them from the shelves so Tescos and Gillette can work out how to know everything about what you do and what you buy.
Use a health/community service without all your personal information ending up on increasingly vast, insecure databases accessible to an increasingly wide range of professionals including government departments
Get away with begging in a shopping precinct more easily without being instantly hounded out so the more well to do don't have to witness your distasteful poverty
Expect actual news to occasionally feature on the BBC
Join the army without being sent to die for oil in the Middle East
In 1996 you could revel in it being a period where the vastly exaggerated 'Soviet threat was no more' and there was no 'terrorist cells are everywhere in the west and must be feared - the fact they don't appear to be able to organise an actual terror campaign is neither here nor there' rhetoric
Not have to be aghast that John Reid can say you're facing "The biggest threat since world war II" and the entire country not immediately respond by crying "Yeah, from you, you c@nt".
I'm sure I can come up with more if you like. Labour have passed, what, 3000 pieces of legislation, so there's plenty if you look.
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| Dogsmilk wrote: | | Quote: | 'm interested to know what I can't do now that I could have done, say 10 years ago.
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Off the top of my head. And I've a cracking headache tonight.
Protest within a square mile of parliament |
False. You must register your protest with the police, but that's nothing new in London. It's pretty much always been that way.
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Most cities require you to obtain filming permits and have done for many years. Usually it's easy to spot a commercial film crew, but the rise of lo-fi film making makes it harder to tell who's in it for the money and who isn't
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Not be stopped and searched without a reason |
Not true
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Not have the police keep your DNA if you're innocent |
So what? I'd happily have my DNA put on a register because I don't plan on committing any crimes, and it means I can be eliminated from any inquiries instantly.
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Travel the tube without paying through the nose for the privilege of not having all your journeys logged (Oyster cards - normal tickets now way more expensive) |
You're moaning about tube fares. Paying in advance has always been cheaper.
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Get a 1st time passport without attending an interview |
If you're a British citizen you don't attend an interview for your passport.
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Get a passport without an RFID chip |
Because they're the mark of the beast? They contain the same info as in on your passport. Scary eh?
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Be Asian and only get abused for being a "paki" as opposed to also being viewed with suspicion and regarded as a potential terrorist |
Racism is new is it?
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Be a Muslim and not be frightened the police might be kicking down your door and trying to pin trumped up terrorism charges on you |
Racism is new is it?
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Expect to be detained by the police only if they've charged you and have some kind of evidence against you. |
Happens all the time doesn't it, people getting whisked out of supermarkets because the police didn't like the look of them?
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Expect not to be whisked away to some foreign torture chamber or concentration camp in Cuba on the basis of zero evidence and with no actual charges being brought. |
Evidence where this has happened from Britain?
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This is new? No.
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Purchase items from shops safe the knowledge they contain no RFID chips or that you've been secretly filmed picking them from the shelves so Tescos and Gillette can work out how to know everything about what you do and what you buy. |
Shops use passive RFID chips for security, these are easy to find because they're under labels. They won't work unless they pass through a readers magnetic field. Active ones won't be used because they're too expensive. So really, there's nothing to worry about, unless Tesco and Gilette install an RFID in your bathroom.
| Quote: | | Use a health/community service without all your personal information ending up on increasingly vast, insecure databases accessible to an increasingly wide range of professionals including government departments |
What does this have to do with 9/11 and eroded freedoms? This is the NHS being cheap.
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Get away with begging in a shopping precinct more easily without being instantly hounded out so the more well to do don't have to witness your distasteful poverty |
Again, eroded freedoms? This has more to do with stopping beggars from hounding people for cash to spend on drink and drugs. Notice the difference between a man half cut lying in a shopping centre and a man trying to work his way out by selling the big issue. This isn't an eroded freedom.
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Like what?
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Join the army without being sent to die for oil in the Middle East |
You always had to join the army to die.
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In 1996 you could revel in it being a period where the vastly exaggerated 'Soviet threat was no more' and there was no 'terrorist cells are everywhere in the west and must be feared - the fact they don't appear to be able to organise an actual terror campaign is neither here nor there' rhetoric |
And this is an eroded freedom how?
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Not have to be aghast that John Reid can say you're facing "The biggest threat since world war II" and the entire country not immediately respond by crying "Yeah, from you, you c@nt". |
Again, you don't seem to like the way politicians bend things to suit themselves. They've been doing this since the concept of politicians was invented
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I'm sure I can come up with more if you like. Labour have passed, what, 3000 pieces of legislation, so there's plenty if you look. |
Yeah, if they're as nonsense as this, don't bother
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| marky 54 wrote: | but again even that is ironic because everything you've said about thermate so far applies to yourselfs also especially where evidance is concerned.
the avater ect just depends on what you believe so it may seem ironic to you, but im not 100% sure about how that column was cut so i carnt really comment. i can only say it could of been cut by torches but i dont see how anyone knows 100% it was unless evidence exsists of firemen actually cutting that specific column at that specific time.
it may seem logical to presume firemen cut it but with the way the towers fell its hard for me to say confidently it was firemen who did it. i aint getting into an arguement about how it was cut or how the towers fell im just explaining how i feel about the column you mention. although if you know of any evidence (photos ect) of firemen cutting that column id love to see it if any exsist. |
What, neatly cut through in perfectly straight lines all the way round, and you think there is a possibility it has been cut using powder that melts its way through metal? That has clearly been cut by someone who had clear access all the way round. The best suggestion for how thermite/thermate might cut columns was somehow (God knows how!) pouring it inside a previously blocked column so that it melted its way out. At some point you need to take a look at the sheer nonsense being peddled to you, if you apply just a fraction of the critical analysis you apply to the official theory to it, you would dismiss it instantly. |
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | marky 54 wrote: | but again even that is ironic because everything you've said about thermate so far applies to yourselfs also especially where evidance is concerned.
the avater ect just depends on what you believe so it may seem ironic to you, but im not 100% sure about how that column was cut so i carnt really comment. i can only say it could of been cut by torches but i dont see how anyone knows 100% it was unless evidence exsists of firemen actually cutting that specific column at that specific time.
it may seem logical to presume firemen cut it but with the way the towers fell its hard for me to say confidently it was firemen who did it. i aint getting into an arguement about how it was cut or how the towers fell im just explaining how i feel about the column you mention. although if you know of any evidence (photos ect) of firemen cutting that column id love to see it if any exsist. |
What, neatly cut through in perfectly straight lines all the way round, and you think there is a possibility it has been cut using powder that melts its way through metal? That has clearly been cut by someone who had clear access all the way round. The best suggestion for how thermite/thermate might cut columns was somehow (God knows how!) pouring it inside a previously blocked column so that it melted its way out. At some point you need to take a look at the sheer nonsense being peddled to you, if you apply just a fraction of the critical analysis you apply to the official theory to it, you would dismiss it instantly. |
did i say i think they used powder to cut the core columns? do they used powder in usual controlled demoltions? |
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | Dogsmilk wrote: | | Quote: | 'm interested to know what I can't do now that I could have done, say 10 years ago.
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Off the top of my head. And I've a cracking headache tonight.
Protest within a square mile of parliament |
False. You must register your protest with the police, but that's nothing new in London. It's pretty much always been that way.
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Film in London without harassment |
Most cities require you to obtain filming permits and have done for many years. Usually it's easy to spot a commercial film crew, but the rise of lo-fi film making makes it harder to tell who's in it for the money and who isn't
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Not be stopped and searched without a reason |
Not true
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Not have the police keep your DNA if you're innocent |
So what? I'd happily have my DNA put on a register because I don't plan on committing any crimes, and it means I can be eliminated from any inquiries instantly.
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Travel the tube without paying through the nose for the privilege of not having all your journeys logged (Oyster cards - normal tickets now way more expensive) |
You're moaning about tube fares. Paying in advance has always been cheaper.
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Get a 1st time passport without attending an interview |
If you're a British citizen you don't attend an interview for your passport.
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Get a passport without an RFID chip |
Because they're the mark of the beast? They contain the same info as in on your passport. Scary eh?
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Be Asian and only get abused for being a "paki" as opposed to also being viewed with suspicion and regarded as a potential terrorist |
Racism is new is it?
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Be a Muslim and not be frightened the police might be kicking down your door and trying to pin trumped up terrorism charges on you |
Racism is new is it?
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Expect to be detained by the police only if they've charged you and have some kind of evidence against you. |
Happens all the time doesn't it, people getting whisked out of supermarkets because the police didn't like the look of them?
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Expect not to be whisked away to some foreign torture chamber or concentration camp in Cuba on the basis of zero evidence and with no actual charges being brought. |
Evidence where this has happened from Britain?
| Quote: | | Buy/use psylocybin bearing fungus that grows naturally every Autumn |
This is new? No.
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Purchase items from shops safe the knowledge they contain no RFID chips or that you've been secretly filmed picking them from the shelves so Tescos and Gillette can work out how to know everything about what you do and what you buy. |
Shops use passive RFID chips for security, these are easy to find because they're under labels. They won't work unless they pass through a readers magnetic field. Active ones won't be used because they're too expensive. So really, there's nothing to worry about, unless Tesco and Gilette install an RFID in your bathroom.
| Quote: | | Use a health/community service without all your personal information ending up on increasingly vast, insecure databases accessible to an increasingly wide range of professionals including government departments |
What does this have to do with 9/11 and eroded freedoms? This is the NHS being cheap.
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Get away with begging in a shopping precinct more easily without being instantly hounded out so the more well to do don't have to witness your distasteful poverty |
Again, eroded freedoms? This has more to do with stopping beggars from hounding people for cash to spend on drink and drugs. Notice the difference between a man half cut lying in a shopping centre and a man trying to work his way out by selling the big issue. This isn't an eroded freedom.
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Expect actual news to occasionally feature on the BBC |
Like what?
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Join the army without being sent to die for oil in the Middle East |
You always had to join the army to die.
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In 1996 you could revel in it being a period where the vastly exaggerated 'Soviet threat was no more' and there was no 'terrorist cells are everywhere in the west and must be feared - the fact they don't appear to be able to organise an actual terror campaign is neither here nor there' rhetoric |
And this is an eroded freedom how?
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Not have to be aghast that John Reid can say you're facing "The biggest threat since world war II" and the entire country not immediately respond by crying "Yeah, from you, you c@nt". |
Again, you don't seem to like the way politicians bend things to suit themselves. They've been doing this since the concept of politicians was invented
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I'm sure I can come up with more if you like. Labour have passed, what, 3000 pieces of legislation, so there's plenty if you look. |
Yeah, if they're as nonsense as this, don't bother |
so is this all your agenda jp? only you could justify freedom of speech and civil liberty restrictions, they say the radiculists hate our freedoms, yet its not the radiculists taking them away is it.
how kind we can apply for a permit to do the things that are our given right. so if they say no to my permit then what? is that freedom? |
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