Ian Crane on Google Video

[mark_e]

I have now finished working on the following videos from the Ipswich Truth group and can confirm they are live on google video:

Ian Crane: the 9/11 - 7/7 connection http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4189232384625820524&hl=en

Ian Crane: the not so hidden aganda http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5029286566927636816&hl=en

David Shayler and Annie Machon: unspinning the truth http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-391659092027073275&hl=en

I have also started to convert them to DVD format. If anyone would like a DVD to copy and distribute, please let me know. i would request that people from local groups request a disc and copy it as i can't do big copy runs (it seems like my pc is always on processing video data at the moment anyhow!) if anyone would be as kind as to send me a donation for any discs they want, that too would be gratefully received, just to cover the disc + posting.

i can assure you the quality is a lot better on dvd then google video!

best regards

mark

[Light Infantree]

Thanks for doing this Mark

[Pikey]

Fabulous!

Thanx for that Mark and well done.

[Bongo]

He specifically said at the start of the film that he was not going to make any "Assumptions" regarding what actually happened... He was only going to show the evidence and geo-political state of affairs which raise serious questions of the the official account.

Yet... He goes on to show a photo of one of the fireballs from the twin towers and confidently states that "You can clearly see the Warhead" exiting ahead of the fireball.

Sorry, but how Ian Crane can come to this conclusion is astounding!!!

Poor Science... Poor Research... and an absolutely unproven statement, presented as fact.

Up to that point, his coverage of the PNAC issues was fairly good... although again he soiled it with another 'muddying of the water' regarding accusations of Zionist conspiracy theory.

Post the point of the warhead comment, I turned it off. for two reasons, A) He had not told me anything I don't already know...
and...
B) Despite good intentions... Mr Crane impresses me as another 'Conspiracy Theorist' who jumps on 'The Latest Fad' without enough serious contemplation of the Facts.

I am sure he will get on like a house on fire with Mr Shayler.

9/11 was indeed an inside job... but there are still too many, although with good intentions, doing more harm than good to the whole fight for truth with their amature conclusions and unprofessional actions.

[rodin]

Good to see the Ipswich group spreading the word.

I watched the second video. A lot of good stuff, then we got into 2012 end times with Zacharia Sitchin et al. He is IMO a total scam merchant, though some good internet friends still rate him.

Also the 'bible code' scam which even he admitted he would give no credence to were it not for the Shimon Perez assassination prediction. Now I don't know about you but I like to hear predictions BEFORE an event, not a story about how they predicted something already in the past.

He did paraphrase Benjamin Freedman regarding the cause of WW1 & why the US entered, the stuff about the Balfour declaration. Something all Brits should get up to speed with.

Essential reading...

http://www.rense.com/general75/neneb.htm

Daryll Bradford Smith cites Freedman a lot.

[wickywoowoo]

[rodin]

[wickywoowoo]

I haven't listened to DBS that often and what I have, he has been full on "zionism" and "jews" all over the place.

Also I cannot claim it as fact that he said that but I am sure I've read it in several places that he has said something like that and from the (admittedly limited) work of his that I've heard, it seems plausible to me.

[rodin]

[paul wright]

Piss off please
Ian gave a great presentation in Bradford this evening
He is absolutely brilliantly lucid - pick out what you can - and may you have happy times squabbling over the entrails
Ian can certainly talk the talk and adjusts himself to the audience and setting
Recommended again for anyone. The depths of this guy's knowledge and understanding is huge

[Pikey]

Bongo beating the drum of the flamewars (the lowest of the low) game, and applying the usual establishment technique of shooting the messenger:-

[Thermate]

[Bongo]

Pikey wrote...

[kinjack]

Nice reply Bongo... Not that I'm picking sides!

Everyone has agenda's thats the way i view things in general, i suppose its depressing to some people. I've signed up to this site and i think I've signed the petition but i have signed a few so i might go back and double check. I'm about to watch the links but if it goes on about beam weapons or pods then i find it frustrating. I just don't think we need go there as it will only lose support if anything. I'm going see David Shayler and Annie present soon and hopefully Ian Crane!

For me, what are most people interested in? Its money.... Show people the money trail, the foreknowledge, the history of government sponsored terror and then once their eyes are opening you can throw some heavy stuff at them. We all know their patterns and links to all our news stories but i didn't think like that until i was 20/21 and 911 just took everything to a new level. I'm still waiting to see what paths this movement takes and also the US Scholars because behind all of it will be personal agendas - good or bad!

Regarding the holecaust topic, i just don't know enough about the subject. But the topic should be wide open for debate as far as I'm concerned as long as its sensible debate. Anyway I'm gonna watch someof these links.. Last night i watch the "stealing a nation" by John Pilger....

[Bongo]

Kinjack, the nonsence regarding 'No-planes'... 'Holograms'... etc was the reason for me leaving this site initially. I thank you for your reply. However, regarding your comment:

[kinjack]

It was the way it was worded.... I agree "heavy stuff" obviously still needs factual substance. I maybe a musician and lyric writer but my english ain't great!

[rodin]

[Snowygrouch]

All,
I`ve fought and sworn at more no-planes people on this site than most (even the reffers on occasion) however I will make these observations and the piss off.

1: Its up to Ian what he says
2: If you disagree with it then start your own talks
3: If you do your own talk people will post messages here saying what a t**T you are for mentioning/NOT mentioning xyz.......
4: I`ve seen one of his talks in person and while I would differ from his approach on perhaps two points alone the hall of about 200 people went home mostly saying "F**K we've been diddled by the NWO/CIA/Bush".

I reckon thats a "bloody good show". If you dont please refer to point 2: above.

C.

The time has LONG gone for bickering folks, LONG LONG LONG ago. Get it together now or B*******R off home and start getting REAL used to watching Jade Goody on TV and wearing your ID badges. Up to us all, it really really is. No other b*****rs are going to get this done...no point waiting around picking holes in eachothers understanding/opinions.

[Mark Gobell]

[Bongo]

Snowygrouch states...

[rodin]

Snowygrouch

The truth movement is seeded with false ideas. Certain leading lights in the UK seem to be espousing some of these, and that is a worry. We cannot afford to ignore this.

A scientific analytical approach is the way to get to the who, how and why of 911 etc. IMO.

Prophecy is obviously a scam since time travel is impossible. And as we can see, 'bible code' prohecies are not even restricted to the bible.

Predictions are different - these can be based on evaluating evidence. Most science would never happen without well-founded predictions, or hypotheses, being tested.

Ian Crane I only know from 1 video and some mentions here. In that video he made a deal of alien gods and the bible code. David on Sky brought up NPT. He also, as I understand it, has decided to become a Kabbalist (I think that's what it's called). Something about ancient mystery religion (sounds a bit masonic to me).

Personally I think all religion is hokum, apart from if it gives a good moral grounding and helps to show the threadbare nature of the material life.
People who 'believe' cannot be scientific by definition. I am with Richard Dawkins on this.

I think the people we need to reach are not those who go to see Ian Crane speak. They already know, and are looking for confirmation. They might come away thinking ' hey we better look into this Zecharia Sitchin and this bible code stuff - the world is a mysterious and supernatural place...'

No it isn't. It's a massive criminal sting operation against the majority of humanity. All too earthly.

I know you are thinking - no no - we mustn't split the movement - time is short. I think that too. But the moment we compromise our own integrity for a higher goal - forget it. We become them. Our ends have come to justify our means.

Plus alien talk is going to turn people away from real and disturbing facts - they will have the easy get-out for not paying proper attention - oh these guys also believe in hologram planes and reptiles etc. Must all be nonsense. The MSM of course will pounce on such weaknesses to discredit the truth.

I make a valid point I think. This forum is only going to be viewed by people who already suspect 911 was a false flag, and shills.

A bit of healthy civil debate about ourselves as well as the issues only serves to lend credence to the integrity of the forum.

Regards

dB

[Bongo]

Rodin, I could not have put it more elequently myself!

9/11 truth is about just that... finding the truth. The only way this can be achieved is through proper and logical review and examination of the evidence available, with a view to educating those (ie the masses, not just a few truthers!) to the blatant fact that the official story is p1sh!

Only then will enough 'people power' be amassed to seriously push for a further independant investigation into 9/11... which is what this is all about, No?

That building of people power will NEVER happen with, at this time un-provable theories! I am sure that any further investigation will clarify these matters... we would be best served to leave them till then.

[marky 54]

[paul wright]

Look, the reason I put piss off somewhere back up there, not aimed at anyone in particular, but just the general drift I think that people, when they fully grasp 9/11 and its implications and context, will start drilling out the rabbit warren and accepting all things as possibilities
Our contextual nature and the uprating of the resonance is that we are pushed more along the line of possibility and we resonate with those who are most there with us
I'm with Ian at the moment, because he succinctly expresses most cogently my innermost desires - how I relate to everyone out there
At another time I could and have related to Don Croft or Peter Kropotkin or Snowygrouch or whatever. Thought Criminal because I like his wild child avater and his aggressive NPT theory. Whatever is there to argue and bicker about. It's all good isn't it?
Everything else is about dividing up the self into composite parts. Urizen action, in Blakean terms
I appreciate this is schizogenic talk but it hangs around the central hypothesis

[aerosol]

[rodin]

Yes I know - but the fact that it was able to be quited as such - and the holding of a Holocaust conference in Iran at such a sensitive time all seem deliberately staged to up the ante. The hypothesis that fits all the facts best, and aligns with what we know of the real history of the last 3 centuries, is that Iran - massive oil wealth store - has been infiltrated (again). Shah was an overt installation by the Brits/US. The deep crime gang - they like to work by deception.

So I think A is as likely to be an agent provocatuer as not. I don't know about Chavez - though I once saw a BBC (Bullsh*t Broadcasting Co) documentary about an attempted coup which showed him in a good light - so a red flag there too!

I wish this was easier...

[alkmyst]

I know that Ian Crane thought long and hard before agreeing to the second half of his Ipswich talk being uploaded on google video; he is well aware that he is entering difficult territory but I also know that that he has been a student of mythology, mysticism & esoterica for far longer than he has been researching geo-politics.

Ian usually concludes his talks with the following quote from Marcus Aeralius, "Frequently consider the connectivity of all things."

If our thought processes remain fettered by the dogma of Newtonian science we will not have the ears to hear much of what Ian is saying. It might be worth reflecting upon the ontological arrogance of the existential commitment to the dogma of scientism ... or should that be ontological naivety?

Al K Myst

[Pikey]

Bongo stated:-

[mark_e]

As you can see I am a new poster, yet i joined some time ago.

The reason why i am a new poster is because i looked at this forum and what i saw looked like a bunch of people who should know better bickering like school children.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. NPT doesn't sit with me, although the aspect of it that says that what hit the towers and pentagon was not a hijacked airliner does. Perhaps there should be a NHAT

However, I thought the reason for this group was to present a united front declaring that we want some answers on this issue and get the message that things about 9/11 don't add up out to a wider audience. It seems there are people on this forum who are just here to try to score points over each other. All the petty name calling on here is ridiculous.

As a new poster and new member i would like to tell you that I find the conduct and lack of respect shown here far more of a turn off than anyone broaching the NPT. Obviously from some of the posts, i'm not the only one who sees this. Who needs a government to divide them when an organisation does so well at it itself?

[rodin]