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| Mark Gobell wrote: | I appreciate your view there Pincher, although attributing alternative opinions about an historical event as products of a deluded and paranoid fringe could be argued as being a tad harsh.
I'm guessing that you don't have any privileged knowledge of the Soham case and that your view is based on the msm portrayal of events.
Just for the record, I haven't mentioned or referenced Vialls or GI's. |
Do you have privileged access Gobell? If you do please tell me which of the following 'top of my head' recollections are mere msm representations?
1) That Huntley had a history of sexual offending in Lincolnshire and that one of his victims still plans to bring a rape case against him.
2) That Lincolnshire Constabulary failed to liase with their counterparts in Cambridgeshire and that much of Huntley's past offending was wiped from the records.
3) That Holly and Jessica on Huntley's own admission entered his house.
4) That Huntley presented a bizarre defence of accidental drowning whilst trying to stop Holly's nose bleed.
5) That Huntley cleaned up the crime scene and changed the tyres on his car.
6) That he tried to get Maxine Carr to provide a false alibi for him.
7) That he was reported as behaving suspiciously by one of the girl's fathers when they visited him at his home withih hours of their disappearance
 That he behaved suspiciously on camera.
9) That whilst being questioned by police he feigned mental breakdown
10) That by his own public admission he was the last person to see them alive.
Are these facts, in your book, complete fabrication? |
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Well you think they are facts. I have my doubts.
Let's leave it there.
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | Well you think they are facts. I have my doubts.
Let's leave it there. |
No, Gobell, I am not going to allow you the opportunity to pass off innuendo as evidence of conspiracy. There's as much a movement to free Ian Huntley as there is to free Peter Sutcliffe.
You're doing incalculable harm to the truth movement by sowing unreasonable doubt about Huntley's conviction. |
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You are right Mr Pincher.
I am sorry.
This is off topic and irrevocably harmful.
Please forgive me.
Let's leave it there.
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| Wondering who killed Diana, Dodi and Henri Paul? In my book, odds-on favourites are our old friends, the Masons. They had the motive (protecting the Royal Family from scandal - same reason they did the 'Jack the Ripper' murders (see Stephen Knight's 'Jack the Ripper - The Final Solution')); the ability (police, security service, medical personnel, politicians, ambulance staff etc. all infiltrated by sworn-to-secrecy 'Brothers' ) and the opportunity (with such infiltration,one can easily make the opportunity). Differences between Continental and UK Masonry are not inimical to cooperation - check out the Italian P2. An interesting aspect that doesn't get much mention is the ignored testimony of British solicitor Gary Hunter, who saw small dark car and white Mercedes racing out of tunnel exit immediately after crash, racing up a one-way street in wrong direction (but in the right direction for the British Embassy!!!). Google Gary Hunter + Sunday Times + Diana ; also alfayed.com (which includes Affidavit of Richard Tomlinson). By Jahbulon! |
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Outsider,
There is no argument about the cabal that plotted the assassination of Diana - Edinbugger, Fellowes, Soames, Dearlove, Scarlett, Spedding, Langman and Spearing (the latter 5 all being MI6).
Stop passing off your baseless presumptions as evidence and start reading the hard literature on the subject. You make yourself look an idiot when you make ill considered remarks like that and make a laughing stock of the rest of us.
Remember that some of us on here are over sixteen years of age. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:06 am Post subject: Go easy, Pincher |
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Dear Pincher,
The list you propose seems eminently reasonable, but doubtless cleared with the US and French to some extent at the very top.
But I am disturbed by how angrily you spoke (wrote) to someone about their speculation. Even if you think there is too much speculation and too little research facts in that person's approach, wouldn't it be better to say it more tactfully and also to helpfully suggest starting points for the real research, books and articles they might like to look at?
Isn't there a danger that sometimes we can inadvertently make the researcher best the enemy of the enquiring-speculative-mind good, and moreover scare lots of people off from thinking they have anything to contribute to this site, for fear of being slapped down by 'experts'?
Truth is a social process; even true things aren't the full truth if they are said in a counter-productive spirit.
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On reflection, I was a little hard on 'Outsider' so I unreservedly apologise and wish him the compliments of the season:
Sol Invictus! Bona Brumalia! |
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| Pincher wrote: | Outsider,
There is no argument about the cabal that plotted the assassination of Diana - Edinbugger, Fellowes, Soames, Dearlove, Scarlett, Spedding, Langman and Spearing (the latter 5 all being MI6).
Stop passing off your baseless presumptions as evidence and start reading the hard literature on the subject. You make yourself look an idiot when you make ill considered remarks like that and make a laughing stock of the rest of us.
Remember that some of us on here are over sixteen years of age. |
I'm afraid the only one making themselves look an idiot in this correspondence is your own goodself. I did not claim to have evidence of the precise perpetrators, only that they are highly likely to be Masons. Do you dispute that? If so, on evidence or supposition? Have you any idea if your 'no argument' suspects are Masons? A bit too much heat, and too little light, in your rant, methinks. Thanks for the apology. |
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| outsider wrote: | | Pincher wrote: | Outsider,
There is no argument about the cabal that plotted the assassination of Diana - Edinbugger, Fellowes, Soames, Dearlove, Scarlett, Spedding, Langman and Spearing (the latter 5 all being MI6).
Stop passing off your baseless presumptions as evidence and start reading the hard literature on the subject. You make yourself look an idiot when you make ill considered remarks like that and make a laughing stock of the rest of us.
Remember that some of us on here are over sixteen years of age. |
I'm afraid the only one making themselves look an idiot in this correspondence is your own goodself. I did not claim to have evidence of the precise perpetrators, only that they are highly likely to be Masons. Do you dispute that? If so, on evidence or supposition? Have you any idea if your 'no argument' suspects are Masons? A bit too much heat, and too little light, in your rant, methinks. Thanks for the apology. |
Any fool can see your statement is a paradox. You're using KKK lynch logic - 'we don't know who the suspects are except that they must be black.'
Like your Klan mentors, you place the onus on the 'defence' to disprove uncorroborated allegations. Sorry chum but your syllogism would be 'reductio ad adsurdum' in the logic seminar and 'unproven' in a court of law.
The only known Freemason amongst the 'Diana Cabal' is the Duke of Edinburgh. But I hardly think the consort of our head of state needs membership of an insignificant naval lodge in order to scheme, plot and subvert.
As for the others no doubt there are Privy Councillors, Bullingdonians and Pall Mallers amongst them. They're all members of conspiracy clubs too. And five of them are members of MI6 - an organisation which has the finest conspiracy pedigree bar none and has a seamless relationship with the Crown and its advisors.
Outsider, like many on this board you have a naive, 19th century, Mid Western, evangelically Christian understanding of Freemasonry. The parapolitical establishment has its own highly effective formal apparatus for setting its schemes in motion.
And 18th century mercantalist mumbo jumbo aint part of it... |
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| Pincher wrote: | | outsider wrote: | | Pincher wrote: | Outsider,
There is no argument about the cabal that plotted the assassination of Diana - Edinbugger, Fellowes, Soames, Dearlove, Scarlett, Spedding, Langman and Spearing (the latter 5 all being MI6).
Stop passing off your baseless presumptions as evidence and start reading the hard literature on the subject. You make yourself look an idiot when you make ill considered remarks like that and make a laughing stock of the rest of us.
Remember that some of us on here are over sixteen years of age. |
I'm afraid the only one making themselves look an idiot in this correspondence is your own goodself. I did not claim to have evidence of the precise perpetrators, only that they are highly likely to be Masons. Do you dispute that? If so, on evidence or supposition? Have you any idea if your 'no argument' suspects are Masons? A bit too much heat, and too little light, in your rant, methinks. Thanks for the apology. |
Any fool can see your statement is a paradox. You're using KKK lynch logic - 'we don't know who the suspects are except that they must be black.'
Like your Klan mentors, you place the onus on the 'defence' to disprove uncorroborated allegations. Sorry chum but your syllogism would be 'reductio ad adsurdum' in the logic seminar and 'unproven' in a court of law.
The only known Freemason amongst the 'Diana Cabal' is the Duke of Edinburgh. But I hardly think the consort of our head of state needs membership of an insignificant naval lodge in order to scheme, plot and subvert.
As for the others no doubt there are Privy Councillors, Bullingdonians and Pall Mallers amongst them. They're all members of conspiracy clubs too. And five of them are members of MI6 - an organisation which has the finest conspiracy pedigree bar none and has a seamless relationship with the Crown and its advisors.
Outsider, like many on this board you have a naive, 19th century, Mid Western, evangelically Christian understanding of Freemasonry. The parapolitical establishment has its own highly effective formal apparatus for setting its schemes in motion.
And 18th century mercantalist mumbo jumbo aint part of it... |
Let me open by saying I assume we are both on the same side vis-a-vis Diana's murder and 911 being an Inside Job; it would make more sense if we vent our spleens against our very real enemies and antagonists. That being said, with no malice aforethought, I continue. You appear to believe that Masonry is of negligible account, or at least not a major player in today's world. I therefore follow with some information gleaned from Stephen Knight's 'The Brotherhood' and Martin Short's 'Inside the Brotherhood'; for what it is worth I strongly recommend them as an excellent introduction to Freemasonry's presence and pernicious influence in everyday life. 'While the Armed Forces are strongly represented in ordinary Freemasonry, the 'Ancient & Accepted Rite of the Thirty-Third Degree' is particularly attractive to military men. Grand Inspectors General (i.e. members of the Supreme Council (33*) have included Field Marshal Earl Alexander of Tunis; Maj. Gen. Sir Leonard Atkinson; Brig. E.W.C. Flavell; Liet.-Gen' Sir Harold Williams & scores more in the last two decades (book was published 1983). Before his retirement in '82 the most senior Freemason of the 33* in England and Wales & Head of the Supreme Council was Maj.-Gen. Sir Ralph Hone. He was way ahead, in Masonic circles, of the Grand Master of Craft Masonry, the Duke of Kent, at that time. In Italy, P2 had 935 secret members, including the heads of all the State Security Agencies, Heads of Armed Forces etc. 'As the Magistrates ploughing through the files from the Villa Wanda stated, Gelli had 'constructed a very real state within a state', and was attempting to overturn the Republic. Only the Communist Party had no links with P2; all others had members in the Lodge. (S. Knight). Now 'Inside the Brotherhood' - '..its political ascendency (the Brotherhood) was ended in 1925 when it was outlawed by the fascist dictator Benito Mussolini. Twenty years later it was legalized again, but only after the American O.S.S. (forerunner of the CIA) had pressured Italy's weak and impoverished government. I don't remember the sources, but General Mac Arthur opened the first Lodge in Occupied Japan after WW2; & one of the 3-man Argentine Junta was a secret member of Italy's P2, as was Gen. Masson, Commander of the 1st Army. If my memoory serves me, I gleaned from a Masonic site that Kemal Ataturk was initiated into Masonry at a Lodge in Salonika, Greece. I trust this is sufficient to show that Masonry is anything but a 'spent force'? Further, according to Knight, 13 Presidents of the USA (including LBJ, author of 'Tonkin Resolution' and 'USS Liberty' 'False Flag' operation) & 13 Vice Presidents were Masons; and according to both authors, Masons were instrumental in the founding of the USA. Masonic symbolism decorates the back of the dollar bill to this day, including reference to the 'New World Order'. Bye the way, I'm just going to update my 'Liberty' thread; check it out, it's of much more relevence to 911 than Diana. A Luta Continua! |
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| Pincher wrote: | Outsider,
There is no argument about the cabal that plotted the assassination of Diana - Edinbugger, Fellowes, Soames, Dearlove, Scarlett, Spedding, Langman and Spearing (the latter 5 all being MI6). |
Pincher, I like it. Have you got some links?
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I am really impressed by the informed intelligence here and respect being politely enforced whatever the view. It's difficult to come by a group that is not a popularity club. So, thank you for allowing me to be a part of it.
Because my awakening is relatively recent, I do not have the in-depth knowledge on particular subjects that many of you do. My journey has though been intense with researching through the maze of information. My curiosity, beginning with the US government sanctioned slaughter of innocents at Waco in 1993, lead me link by link on a journey day and night for months through the massive information and disinformation, relying on instinct as to what aligned and misaligned with what I knew the truth to be. From Ruby Ridge & Waco, Oklahoma City, 9/11 & 7/7 to JFK, RFK, John Lennon, JFK Jr. & Diana to RFD chips and chemtrails, all such major events between and since...my beliefs ebbed and flowed until one day I "got it". My firm belief now is that they are all interconnected, stemming from the same source that appears to some to be many unrelated sources. The agenda even filters down to the community level where a whole other battle is being waged to control future generations by stripping away parental rights and responsibility. I have links to back up as evidence all that I may present as (what I believe to be) fact.
The Masons and all related secret societies (Illuminati, The Corporation, Skull and Bones, NWO etc.) play a major role. The fact that this is discounted only proves to me that "they" have been successful in hiding in the shadows behind countless other involved organisations.
The complicity is so extensive that it can be very complicated indeed to knit it all together. In all of this crazy stuff, it seems to me of supreme importance for people to keep their minds open to the possibilities. Afterall, some is beyond what we have been taught to believe. That, is their ace in the hole, which could lead to their success in implimenting our destruction.
What stands out in my mind as an example of their subversive intent and blatant mind control by way of desensitising the masses are the murals and symbology at Denver International Airport.
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html#
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/5692/
http://www.thetruthishere.com/denvermurals.html - Makes a compelling interpretation of the murals comparing with scripture and (in)famous quotes.
Anyway, that is just one tiny subject within the web of deceit being spun...something I thought most of you may not be aware of.
As for the Diana "investigation", looks too much like the 9/11 & Kennedy "investigations". Emotions are no longer raw and anger has subsided - the needed power of mass outrage that would push for truth is no longer present. These people stall until much of the public cries out "Let's move on...let her rest in peace!" That's the reaction so much time passing seems to create, the one they bank on. Each time the public as a whole becomes more numb, more willingly blind, more seemingly helpless, more fearful, more lethargic and more unknowingly manipulated.
Easily controlled, dumbed-down minds become the norm of the future...paved by the events of today.
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As I said Pincher, you seem to think they are facts, and I have my doubts.
Thanks for the heads up on Joe Vialls on this btw. I'd already said in a previous post that my doubts had nothing to do with Vialls, but since you mentioned that site, I've read what is published there. So I owe you a thank you.
http://www.vialls.com/transpositions/neuroleptic.html
Taking one of the statements that you and others claim to be a "fact" :
| Pincher wrote: | 3) That Holly and Jessica on Huntley's own admission entered his house.
Are these facts, in your book, complete fabrication? |
I'd be interested to know how you would reconcile the following "facts" from the trial transcripts:
| Ian Huntley's trial transcript wrote: | “Whilst you were at Rampton, what did you remember of the events of the night of the 4th August?”
“Nothing. I remember that some - I'm not sure if I remembered at Rampton or shortly after arriving at Wood Hill that Holly had a nosebleed, but that is as far as my recollection..”
“I had been trying pretty much everyday to try and remember what had happened on the 4th August. I knew inside that I wasn't there for no reason and I knew that something must have happened, but didn't know what, I had been seeing all kinds of things, for example, I had seen the girls leaving my house or thought I had seen the girls leaving my house and the psychiatrist said that was a coping mechanism and I was just seeing what I wanted to see. it was driving me mad trying to, trying to remember and nothing coming. (inaudible).”
“I say things started coming back after a few weeks, there wasn't just one day couldn't remember and the next day I could. It was very slow, a bit like a jig-saw puzzle, first of all I started hearing the voice and the voice was, "You pushed her", and thought that I must have pushed her down the stairs or something. It was very difficult to piece things together, and it was also difficult at times to know the difference between reality and imagination. I had problems with imagining things and things I wanted to see, and the way I determined the difference was that the reality - if there was emotion attached to it - you could sort of feel; you could feel what you was feeling at the time.”
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The trial transcripts are here for anyone wishing to learn about the facts of the trial at least.
http://www.bernardomahoney.com/forthcb/pdt/hajdocuments.shtml
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Just stumbled across your latest rant, Gobell. You really are indefatiguable aren't you?
Now, without recourse to the Vialls' site I recollect vividly the latter stages of the Huntley trial. The jury's verdict hinged on his account of his attempt to staunch Holly's nose bleed. The twelve good citizens were asked to swallow Huntley's yarn that Holly slipped and drowned in his bath whilst he was providing TLC.
Let me remind you again of the pertinent facts of this case. Ian Huntley was the last person to see the girls alive and he was known to the victims. He had a long history of sexual offending against minors in his native Lincolnshire (indeed there is one outstanding rape case against him which is currently being pursued) and the failure on the part of local constabulary to pass on this information to their counterparts in Cambridgeshire was the principal underlying reason why Huntley was able to commit these terrrible murders.
There are several other compelling reasons why there can be little doubt that Huntley was the culprit (his attitude to the victims' parents on the night of their disappearance, his 'spring cleaning' of the house, his admission to Carr that the girls had been in their bedroom and his manipulation of her into providing him with an alibi etc etc) but all of this is academic as far as you are concerned.
Gobell, you are an immature, Amerophobic obsessive who has a near religious belief that American Service personnel MUST have been responsible because Soham just happens to be near a US airbase. No amount of evidence to the contrary can shake your jejune faith in this notion. In my experience this kind of intellectual tunnel vision is a symptom of a maladjusted personality as a result of familial dysfunctionalism or trauma.
May I suggest that you take stock of your disfigured self in future before keying in your drivel? |
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| Pincher wrote: | Just stumbled across your latest rant, Gobell. You really are indefatiguable aren't you?
Now, without recourse to the Vialls' site I recollect vividly the latter stages of the Huntley trial. The jury's verdict hinged on his account of his attempt to staunch Holly's nose bleed. The twelve good citizens were asked to swallow Huntley's yarn that Holly slipped and drowned in his bath whilst he was providing TLC.
Let me remind you again of the pertinent facts of this case. Ian Huntley was the last person to see the girls alive and he was known to the victims. He had a long history of sexual offending against minors in his native Lincolnshire (indeed there is one outstanding rape case against him which is currently being pursued) and the failure on the part of local constabulary to pass on this information to their counterparts in Cambridgeshire was the principal underlying reason why Huntley was able to commit these terrrible murders.
There are several other compelling reasons why there can be little doubt that Huntley was the culprit (his attitude to the victims' parents on the night of their disappearance, his 'spring cleaning' of the house, his admission to Carr that the girls had been in their bedroom and his manipulation of her into providing him with an alibi etc etc) but all of this is academic as far as you are concerned.
Gobell, you are an immature, Amerophobic obsessive who has a near religious belief that American Service personnel MUST have been responsible because Soham just happens to be near a US airbase. No amount of evidence to the contrary can shake your jejune faith in this notion. In my experience this kind of intellectual tunnel vision is a symptom of a maladjusted personality as a result of familial dysfunctionalism or trauma.
May I suggest that you take stock of your disfigured self in future before keying in your drivel? |
Did I rant ? Really ? Maybe I'll have to think about toning it down a bit for you. I do apologise Mr Pincher.
Mr Pincher, you get more obscure with every display of your ruffled feathers me ol' peacock.
Quite the amateur psychologist too aren't you.
Maybe, when you have time in between your free on line psycho analysis sessions, you might just stretch to respond to that which is before you instead of regurgitating baseless assumptions, about which I have already said to you I had no knowledge.
Also, maybe you might like to explain the compulsion you have to frame every post you make within your hilarious and very revealing wrappers of personal abuse.
Allow me to dodge our doctor / patient relationship for a mo will you.
I have never suggested that USAF were involved, either. Not once. You mentioned USAF Mr Pincher. That's you Mr Pincher, not me.
You also keep mentioning Vialls yourself Mr Pincher. So would it be a fair assumption that you base your view of the case on what you have read of Vialls, and have cunningly deduced that I must have therefore done the same ?
Seems likely to me.
You also accused me of using Vialls information, to which I responded I had not even known about and therefore had nothing to do with my view.
I thanked you for pointing Vialls out and you now accuse me again of using Vialls view.
Help !
You then move on to psycho analysing me because of some perceived Ameriphobia.
What in the name of bananas has the Huntley case got to do with how I view America ?
How do I view America ?
Perhaps you might like to respond to Huntley's "coherent" statements of post Rampton recollection and the reliability of his "evidence" since you are so well versed in the case.
After all, that was why I posted it, with a mind to you responding.
While your at it, maybe you'd care to explain the procedure and legality of sectioning Huntley before being charged with any crime then whisking him off to Rampton.
And then maybe you could explain why he was whisked back to court to plead guilty to conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, whilst still being assessed as to his ability to plea and stand trial, before he was whisked back to Rampton again.
No doubt all very standard procedure in your book yes ?
PS: As a favour, could you help with the fate of the headmaster who hired him, because I'm struggling. Cheers.
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