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I actually wouldn't trust what "Jeff the Great" has to say. He seems to be shilling for the official version of 9/11, with the obligatory sock puppets to back him up, as per the Shill handbook (and interestingly he made a mistake in the spelling of 'honorable' which somebody picked him up on - he spelt it the british way, but was lucky that the other students didn't realise this, and he bluffed his way through);
http://www.clemsontalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22999
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IronSnot
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Sheezus.
Jeff the Great's profile
http://www.clemsontalk.com/vb/member.php?u=452
Major/Job:
Civil Engineering, Currently employed as a Materials Research Engineer at NIST
He also refers to himself as a yankee. After his dishonourable posts, for some reason I doubt that. Actually I doubt the whole profile.
edit - jumped to conclusion - Jeff from Maryland seems to shill for free.
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Stefan
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | You might be right Stefan.
I started posting here again after Christmas in the hope that things were going to get better. Unfortunately reading posts here is still akin to strolling around the London sewer system. Some people, such as John White, have tried to suggest that the shills and dis-infomationists will burn themselves out although that doesn't seem to be happening.
I have always been an advocate of a stricter moderation policy which removes nonsense and gives warnings to members that are seen to have ambiguous motives. The only motive any 911 truther should have is towards the truth.
The irony is that perhaps 90% of members here aren't into the truth! I sense that many members on this forum have a hidden agenda which falls into two camps:
1. Lets confuse everyone because at the end of the day we all know that Muslim extremists did it.
2. The westerners are scum so lets sew doubts about their governments and bring chaos to the non-believers.
When I reflect I realise that I haven't really gained much from this forum in the way of understanding.
Might soon be time for another period of abstinence from this place!  |
Well I wouldn't say 90%, and I don't think everyone who has supported the theories which are particuarly weak are neccesarly "shills"- while I suspect the theories origins may have government sources I just think some people, in their personality are always looking for the most "exiting" and "hollywood" answer for everything, and put far too much weight on knwoing what we can't ever know- the exact method and exactly who did this or how, when it isn't actually neccesary for us to do that at all.
In short- some people are more gullible and easily led than others and shouldn't be punished for that- in my opinion we should simply make sure that this is not put forward as part of our aims or profile through a public forum.
Re. This site (or the .net site which I beleive is a better thing to focus on now) "copying" the evidence bank. Why have them as separate or even competeing entities?
I suggested something in the Chat section of the EB a while ago and you still haven't commented-
We have the .net website- which is a perfectly presented and sober front end for the campaign- this has an articles section already.
Why not use the EB as a "backstage"- that we collect and discuss the evidence there, and when articles are in a finished state send them for publication in the .net articles section.
I think if you look at the J7 forum the way they have very specific forum headers for very specific areas of their research- it really works. Maybe the EB could borrow some of their method, and then when we have the finished goods they could be entered into the .net site.
I also think with the EB it would be good to get some volenteers to be writers for the site. I think if the EB begins to be wideley used (as it should) by the posters here who are more interested in only the most solid and non speculative sides of the issue, the problem remains that someone needs to be there to collate the submissons and the improvemnets and additions suggested in the discussion part into well written final articles.
This probably belongs more in the suggestion section than here.
I just think between the .net and the EB (perhaps taking some prompts for development from J7) we have all the tools we need to increase our public image and effectivness.
This forum continues to be a drain on both.
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Patrick Brown
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The problem with the evidence base forum is that people don't seem interested in it. If people showed more interest then I would push it a bit more. I still haven't got around to inviting Jones and his gang. Please feel free to invite people to the evidence base. I'm also looking for moderators although deciding who to trust is a bit tricky.
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Your piece on JudyWoods had me laughing loudly when the music came in. Interesting developments on edited removed posts. I'm worried about shayler did you see the bit on the Washington Post website linking to the Echo article.
Make your own judgement.
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RespectfullyMyPointIs... I fully understand your comment about Mr Shayler. As far as the NPT, hologram junk science is concerned, he could do with listening to Annie a little more. However, if he were to improve this aspect of his campaigning and actually represent the feelings of the majority (ie drop the rediculous NPT theories completely), then I actually think he has a lot to offer the movement.
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w-o-w. I don't know wether to laugh or cry. Does Judy do NPT too?
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | You might be right Stefan.
I started posting here again after Christmas in the hope that things were going to get better. Unfortunately reading posts here is still akin to strolling around the London sewer system. Some people, such as John White, have tried to suggest that the shills and dis-infomationists will burn themselves out although that doesn't seem to be happening.
I have always been an advocate of a stricter moderation policy which removes nonsense and gives warnings to members that are seen to have ambiguous motives. The only motive any 911 truther should have is towards the truth.
The irony is that perhaps 90% of members here aren't into the truth! I sense that many members on this forum have a hidden agenda which falls into two camps:
1. Lets confuse everyone because at the end of the day we all know that Muslim extremists did it.
2. The westerners are scum so lets sew doubts about their governments and bring chaos to the non-believers.
When I reflect I realise that I haven't really gained much from this forum in the way of understanding.
Might soon be time for another period of abstinence from this place! |
Again you use that broad brush in your assertions.I see no one here(bar an obvious post or 2) saying that muslims did it,or we brought it on ourselves.
What I do see is repetative nonsense that suggests we are mostly divided on this forum, the evidence for such speculation is entirely lacking!
Though I'd like to know about Tony Gosling's post of some significance on this thread,which seems the only point of disagreement (madgeb accepted).I recently PM'd Tony and asked his opinion on something,what came back was rather lacking and obscure.
I sent the same PM to Andrew who came across as honest and to the point,take what you will from that. |
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Patrick Brown
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Thermate
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| Andrew Johnson wrote: | | If Judy Wood is cointelpro, there must be an easy explanation, based in science (something better than saying "no, she is wrong"), to explain the anomalous evidence she has presented. |
The evidence like...
No Bathtub damage? A Lie.
Majority of WTC steel vaporized? A Lie.
Some cars caught fire and the only obvious explanation is an orbital death ray? A joke.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | | The problem with the evidence base forum is that people don't seem interested in it. If people showed more interest then I would push it a bit more. I still haven't got around to inviting Jones and his gang. Please feel free to invite people to the evidence base. I'm also looking for moderators although deciding who to trust is a bit tricky. |
There's a reason for this Patrick:
People have ego's and Love drama: when understanding any internet forum, it has to be understood that drama is its fuel: thats why people don't endlessly comment and participate with perspectives they agree with, and constantly focus on where they do not. Its also what leads to phenomona like "Beam Weapon theory" in the first place
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Patrick Brown
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| John White wrote: | | Patrick Brown wrote: | | The problem with the evidence base forum is that people don't seem interested in it. If people showed more interest then I would push it a bit more. I still haven't got around to inviting Jones and his gang. Please feel free to invite people to the evidence base. I'm also looking for moderators although deciding who to trust is a bit tricky. |
There's a reason for this Patrick:
People have ego's and Love drama: when understanding any internet forum, it has to be understood that drama is its fuel: thats why people don't endlessly comment and participate with perspectives they agree with, and constantly focus on where they do not. Its also what leads to phenomona like "Beam Weapon theory" in the first place |
Of course you're right John but evidence-less arguments are not beneficial for the “911 Truth Movement”. Having a hundred or more people contributing to this forum everyday might seem like signs of life but in reality it might be the distant echoes of the last rites as far as 911 Truth goes!
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IronSnot
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I agree to a certain extent. Take away the beamers and no planers and this site would be a little quieter for a period of time. But in the long run it would be better off as it would attract a lot of reasonable posters with varying backgrounds and we could then set out to bring this whole thing down, which I really don't think would be that hard. My best advice would be to ignore the NPTs right now and investigate, investigate, investigate.
That's failing banning them outright, along with the odd fascist hanging around. That would be my preference. |
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flamesong
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Odd! This thread just disappeared!
I clicked on 'News' and the thread wasn't there. I went back to the index and hit 'News' again and it was back.
Hmmm... |
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Patrick Brown
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Maybe it was moved and then moved back a second later! I wonder what section it was moved to possibly a non public section in the hidden forums?
This is all getting rather silly don't you think?
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flamesong
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Yes, the hidden forums.
I asked for the necessary privileges to access them but my request remains unanswered.
Anyway, I guess I should have mage a note of any moderators who were online at the time. |
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Patrick Brown
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| flamesong wrote: | | I guess I should have mage a note of any moderators who were online at the time. |
They may have been in stealth mode i.e. Changed their online status to hidden via their profile page. It's worth knowing that moderators and admins can still see regular members if we try and hide.
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Curious that neither Andrew Johnson nor Tony Gosling have passed any comments about the respective controversies in this thread.
Maybe we should start a Daily Mirror style counter. |
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Patrick - the evidence is overwhelming. Muslims did NOT do 911 other than (possibly) as bit-part actors (and if so no doubt low IQ dupes). Since your entire raison d-etre seems based on this false premise you have some serious explaining to do.
How about we start here
Explain how the 5 Israelis were sent to 'document' the event with Arab clothing in the back of their ubiquitous white (no relation I hope) van (I know another White in the Malverns... not related by any chance? SOS editor..)
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big clan the whites, theres a lot of us about!
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Patrick Brown
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| rodin wrote: | Patrick - the evidence is overwhelming. Muslims did NOT do 911 other than (possibly) as bit-part actors (and if so no doubt low IQ dupes). Since your entire raison d-etre seems based on this false premise you have some serious explaining to do.
How about we start here
Explain how the 5 Israelis were sent to 'document' the event with Arab clothing in the back of their ubiquitous white (no relation I hope) van (I know another White in the Malverns... not related by any chance? SOS editor..) |
The bottom line is that nobody knows what happened on 911. We do have pieces of evidence but not a very clear picture. I am therefore in no position to start speculating as to who perpetrated the events of 911. We should all remember that the aim of the 911 Truth Movement is to causes an official international investigation of the events on that pivotal day.
There are far to many people pointing the finger at the American government without any substantial evidence. Whereas I agree that individuals within the government may have been involved I don't know the details nether does anybody else. Things to consider are:
1. Were relatives and children kidnapped and threatened with death if government members didn't go through the motions?
2. Was it as simple as people being paid off with large sums of money? They could have also been lied to about what was going to happen and warned if they ever opened their mouth they and their family would be killed.
3. People often suggest that the idea of 19 high-jackers being responsible for the aircraft impacts is impossible but haven't human beings walked on the moon! I therefore conclude not impossible but unlikely.
4. I'm sure there are many well educated middle eastern people who have an opinion about the west and could have devised a cunning plan/s!
5. The demolition theory hasn't been proved as a fact (although I think it's highly likely that it will).
6. The idea that there was a strong Jewish/Zionist element involved hasn't been ruled out.
7. The balance of evidence for 7/7 and 21/7 suggests that the parties are guilty and any evidence to the contrary is tentative and often speculative.
8. The divide and conquer strategy is the oldest trick in the book so it seems likely that middle eastern terrorists would implement it i.e. Try and divide the populations of America and Britain against each other and their governments.
So lets just get the official international investigation on the go before we draw any conclusions as to who, why, where and when.
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| flamesong wrote: | Curious that neither Andrew Johnson nor Tony Gosling have passed any comments about the respective controversies in this thread.
Maybe we should start a Daily Mirror style counter. |
Well we can only conclude their guilt by their absence of comment.
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Dustification………Your kidding me right!  Sorry first time I’ve seen this interview.
Are there many people in truth groups who believe in this theory? Because if there are this worries me allot, watching that long version video her arguments to questions are the most non-scientific I’ve seen to date, her evidence is based hear say & pictures/video and guesswork, she can take her "snowball" & "pennies on a window" and jump, absolute lunacy all round and very damaging to 9/11 truth.
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| DDD911 wrote: | | Are there many people in truth groups who believe in this theory? |
Nope, only the dis-info agents and fools. A recent poll indicated them running at between 1in10 & 1in20, for your information.
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| Thermate wrote: | | DDD911 wrote: | | Are there many people in truth groups who believe in this theory? |
Nope, only the dis-info agents and fools. A recent poll indicated them running at between 1in10 & 1in20, for your information. |
And for that matter, it's probably only about 1 in 100 'enlightend' folk who post on 9/11 truth forums...
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| Fallious wrote: | | Thermate wrote: | | DDD911 wrote: | | Are there many people in truth groups who believe in this theory? |
Nope, only the dis-info agents and fools. A recent poll indicated them running at between 1in10 & 1in20, for your information. |
And for that matter, it's probably only about 1 in 100 'enlightend' folk who post on 9/11 truth forums... |
Glad to hear that
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