The CIA Fakes

[Akbal13]

Is this guy, Fintan Dunne, playing games to disinform us all or what? I posted this article out SIX times this afternoon and, several hours later, NOT ONE arrived at its destination. ECHELON must be working overtime today!
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The CIA's Internet Fakes

URLs: BreakForNews.com/TheCIAInternetFakes.htm
Wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/cias-internet-fakes.html


The CIA Fakes
9/11 Minority Report PART 2 [Part 1]

Note: We do not contend that everyone associated with these
websites are knowing intelligence operatives. Some have been
professionally manipulated, others merely misled. In any event
these are promoting the psyop agendas and disinformation
themes of the covert controllers. This is also not meant to
be a fully comprehensive listing of all the fake websites.

airamericaradio.com
albasrah.net
aljazeera.net
aljazeera.com
almartinraw.com
americanfreepress.net
angieon911.com
antiwar.com
apfn.org
arcticbeacon.com

batr.org
bellaciao.org
bilderberg.org
blackboxvoting.org
bradblog.com
buzzflash.com

cloakanddagger.ca
coasttocoastam.com
conspiracyarchive.com
conspiracyplanet.com
commondreams.org
cooperativeresearch.org
counterpunch.org
cryptome.org

davidicke.com
deepblacklies.co.uk
democracynow.org
dieoff.com

earthfiles.com
ellsberg.net

fromthewilderness.com

globalresearch.ca
halfpasthuman.com

infoclearinghouse.info
infowars.com
inn.globalfreepress.com
internationalanswer.org

jackblood.net
jihadunspun.com
jimmarrs.com
jmccanneyscience.com
johnbuchanan.org
johnkaminski.com
judicialwatch.org
justacitizen.com
justicefor911.org
karlschwarz.com
konformist.com
kurtnimmo.com

larouchepub.com
legitgov.com
letsroll911.org
libertyforum.org
libertythink.com
lovearth.net


madcowprod.com
meria.net
monbiot.com
moveon.org
mysteriesofthemind.com

narconews.com
newswithviews.com
newtopiamagazine.com
nomorefakenews.com

occupationwatch.org
oilempire.us
onlinejournal.com
peakoil.net
plaguepuppy.net
prisonplanet.com
propagandamatrix.com

questionsquestions.net

ralphnader.com
radioliberty.com
rawstory.com
rbnlive.com
recombinomics.com
rense.com
reopen911.org
rigorousintuition.blogspot
riverbend.blogspot
rumormillnews.com

sanderhicks.com
savethemales.ca
septembereleventh.org
skolnicksreport.com
standdown.net
stanley2002.org

team8plus.org
tomflocco.com
thepowerhour.com
thetruthseeker.co.uk
truefacts.co.uk
truthout.org
tvnewslies.org

unansweredquestions.org
uruknet.info

vialls.net
votetoimpeach.org

wanttoknow.info
whatreallyhappened.com
wingtv.net
worldaffairsbrief.com

xymphora.blogspot

911citizenswatch.org
911forthetruth.com
911truth.org
911truthradio.com

by Fintan Dunne, Editor,
BreakForNews.com 4th August, 2005
with PsyOpNews.com & WagNews.blogspot.com

For the last three years we have been quietly investigating the cover-up of the 9/11 attacks. Ours has been a wide-ranging inquiry which paid special attention to those who claim to be already exposing the truth.

During this time we have interviewed many people with alternative views on who were the real perpetrators. All the while, we kept our own counsel. Much of the time we played it as if we were uncritically buying the lines being put out on various alternative media.

We have examined a great deal of evidence and methodically traced the methods and networks used to mislead us all. Now we present the first of our findings.

NO ROGUE GROUP

We published our first investigative articles on the 9/11 attacks --just 7 and 14 days after the event. We knew, as did many others, that the real planners were not 'Al-Qaida'. That's the easy part. The challenge was to actually determine -rather than merely guess: who did carry out the attacks?

In uncovering those perpetrators, we felt that an investigation of the cover-up would be as much --if not more-- revealing than our examination of the attacks themselves.

Our analysis of the cover-up shows it requires, and has used, the official intelligence resources of more that one state. One of the ways of deflecting investigators from this grim reality has been to spin the facts to allege that a 'rogue group' within government carried out the attacks.

But we now state that the depth and multinational scope of the cover-up shows no mere rogue group was involved. The 9/11 attacks and cover-up have covert governmental support -deployed through an intelligence framework.

What will be the most startling aspect of our investigation for many people is the vast scale of governmental control of the 9/11 movement and alternative investigators and media. From websites to commentators; from analysts to political personages, this has given the cover-up team unprecedented control of alternative media perceptions.

In short, the government is running not only the 9/11 movement, but also controlling the 9/11 issue in the alternative media. It was relatively easy to do so, because they have controlled both mainstream and alternative media and politics increasingly over the last twenty years. This was just an extension of those operations.


INTERNET POLICE

Here's a quote from a recent article on the UK Guardian: "The Chinese government, employs an estimated 30,000 internet police, as part of a long-standing policy to control the web so that it can be used by businesses but not by political opponents." [Source]

Think the ideology and practice of the USA would be any different? Of course not. Just well cloaked under a veneer of free expression.

In the US, it's less a case of internet 'police' and more a question of Internet fake opposition, misdirection websites, front organizations, pseudo-activist groups and a host of professional blogging and web journalism liars, acting in concert to create an impenetrable fog.

These people are all over the Internet They are all over the 9/11 issue; all over the 'stolen' election of 2004; behind the psychological operations designed to inspire fear of earth changes, of global warming, of the Super-State and the so-called New World Order; all over the landscape of anti-corporate, anti-fascist expression on the Internet.

This army of information controllers is all over the 'free' information you are getting on the Internet. Time we opened our eyes to see them. It's not just the mainstream which is controlled. From the moment the Internet became prominent, a vast budget has been expended to control all the high-trafficked intersections on the information superhighway.


THE FAKE 'EXPOSING' OF 9/11

Many of these sites/assets were put in place long before 9/11. A key goal was to ensure that if some truth must come out, it will be a truth designed and controlled by intelligence agencies --with agency assets in a position to ensure misdirection and damage limitation.

To this end, an orgy of evidence [See Minority Report Part I] in the form of deliberately misleading 9/11 'clues', were designed into the 9/11 operation from the start --to give these assets prearranged talking points with which to fill their column inches and programming. This has served to confuse and confound.

All this activity rose to a crescendo around the time the Kerry presidential bid hit it's planned implosion in the 'stolen' election. [The stealing of which was carefully managed in the controlled alternative media as a psychological operation against the left.]

The hyping of the 9/11 issue up until the 'defeat' of Kerry was designed to max out activist interest in the issue, then bury it with the aid of general post-Kerry, left-wing political disillusion -against the backdrop of division in the 9/11 Movement itself.

Also part of a similar confounding exercise were the subsequent 9/11 Movement 'flame wars', as different assets attacked each other to undermine their collective credibility and disillusion ordinary grassroots 9/11 truth activists.


THE SMOKESCREEN

A persistent theme of the disinformation spread by these assets is to portray the machinations of this elite group acting through the CIA/NSA/ETC. as if they originate from somewhere other than the US security/intelligence apparatus.

Suspicion is directed instead onto the Israelis, the 'City of London', 'International Bankers', The Rockefellers, The Bildebergers, and most infamously, the ill-defined, so-called New World Order. Of course, some of these elements are complicit in certain events, but the aim is to downplay the U.S. establishment's guiding hand and the broad CFR/corporate support.

Some may be surprised by the range and scope of the misinformation sites we have detailed, and may even be disconsolate to see the sheer scale of the social and political control which their virtually unlimited budget can achieve. All we can say is.... deal with it. We had to. It's better than us all flailing around in ignorance. And it explains why men and women of good heart have been getting nowhere.


THE MEDIA AS PSYOP

This level of deception has been going on since the 1950's and 1960's at an accelerating rate. Following the psywar against civilians induced by the nuclear arms race 'crisis,' the subsequent JFK killing was indeed an assassination, but it was also at heart an extension of these 1950's nuke-scare psychological operations.

The killing of Kennedy was not necessary for political reasons -but it was a powerful tool for social control via psychological warfare. Kennedy was killed to deliberately drive the US population into a grief state which would hamper the development of political opposition.

This type of PsyOps directed at the civilian population was, and still is the modus operandi. By now, it has produced a range of operations as varied as AIDS, SARS, 9/11 and the G8/Live8 London bombing.


SUMMARY

Given the number of assets deployed in support of the 9/11 operation, and the operational requirements of the 9/11 attacks themselves, their origin is now clear. 9/11 was not carried out by some 'rogue group,' nor was it a fully official US Government-sanctioned operation.

But it was orchestrated by the highest levels of the US Military and military-industrial complex; on behalf of the national and international politicians, corporates, and moneyed interests. It had, and still has the full support of the US Military/intelligence apparatus -who control much of the alternative media and the 9/11 movement.

New audio on this topic soon on BreakForNews.com
Meanwhile...
Part 1: 9/11 Minority Report 'An Orgy Of Evidence'
Why the 9/11 Movement was created and fostered
by the very people who carried out the attacks... Listen to Audio mp3 : [56K] [DSL]

posted by Fintan, BreakForNews.com
at 10:34 PM

[Akbal13]

http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/05/911-true-pill.html

9/11 - The True Pill



I've NEVER seen the like of the current propaganda campaign -now running full steam, ahead of the C-SPAN 2 broadcast by Prof. David Ray Griffin (The New Pearl Harbor) -this Saturday, May 7th at 2:30 PM EST.

As Fred Burks raved:

In his 80-minute lecture to a standing room audience of 400 at the University of Wisconsin, Prof. Griffin, one of the most respected theologians in the US, discusses his extensive research into the 9/11 cover-up.

But it is in Capital Times that we get to see what is really going on:

Americans interpret the events of Sept. 11 in one of four ways, Griffin said:

• A first group accepts the official interpretation that Sept. 11 was a surprise attack by Islamic terrorists. It is easy for these people "to think of America's so-called War on Terror as a just war," Griffin said.

• A second group accepts the official line but thinks Sept. 11 has been used opportunistically by the Bush administration to extend the American empire. People who hold this view often believe that America's response to Sept. 11, which has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, is far worse than the attacks themselves, he said.

• A third group believes the Bush administration knew the attacks were coming and let them happen. It shows the government as "deliberate and cold-blooded," advancing its imperial designs while hypocritically portraying itself as promoting a "culture of life," Griffin said.

• A fourth group believes that the government orchestrated the attacks. While no poll shows how many Americans believe this, polls in Canada and Germany have found as many as 20 percent of those populations do, Griffin said.

Of course, Group 4 are the really threatening, actual 9/11 skeptics.

They are the ones who can think the sinfully unthinkable. Groups 1-3 believe any old rubbish(PeakOil, Bird Flu, GannonGate). Clearly, that fourth group are the big problem for the opinion massagers. The core of their 9/11 strategy has been to try ensure that groups 1 to 3 are as large as possible -and that group 4 is marginalized as much as possible.

They have constructed an artificial Bell Curve of internet-based 9/11 opinion distribution -with Group 4 at the "extreme" end of the curve. They will now proceed to argue the group 1 to 3 positions for years in the alternative (lol) sections of the mass media.

Thus replicating their internet tactic on the mass media audience.

They spent 2001 to 2004 getting people in place for this 2005-onwards phase. Along the way, a key aim was to contaminate Group 4 with enough "extreme" material to damage the REAL 9/11 skeptics. After all, if Group 4 are extremists, they must look like extremists.

C-Span is muesli for the left. Muesli is best spoonfed.
Not the red pill or the blue pill. Just the true pill.

'The 9/11 Minority Report'
Why the 9/11 Movement was created
by, and is fostered by the very people
who carried out the attacks...

Audio by Fintan Dunne
May 7, 2005 [mp3]
LISTEN> [56K] [DSL]

[ian neal]

This is precisely why this network and campaign has a no endorsement
rule and as a campaign and network this is what makes us different.

The aim is to unite opinion from Meacher to Icke without endorsing
anyone and reasonably the only position that unites us is the call for a
further investigation. As soon as you get into whose version of the
truth is more valid than anothers that unity breaks down. Now Fintan
might be purer than pure (I don't know) but as soon as you start down
this route it can only fuel division and not unity. I think this article
is v unwise by Fintan.

We all need to trust each other to see through the bs and reach
our own truth. Ultimately the only important truth is that 9/11 was an
inside job and that this exposes the wider corruption of the system ie
the conspiracy is no theory and then use this truth to positively and
peacefully reclaim our power and transform the world.

The only time I think it is valuable to 'expose' someone as working for
the other side is when it can be shown by hard evidence to be
intentional (rather than misguided) and once you have given them the opportunity to respond. To the best of my knowledge this has not been done by Fintan.

To take a case in point, I personally share Fintan's belief that Peak Oil is another psyop. I also know many genuine people who believe in Peak Oil. To my mind there is no value in labelling 'Peak Oil' advocates as disinfo shrills unless you KNOW them to be DELIBERATELY spreading disinfo.

[Akbal13]

http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/behind-cia-fakes.html
Behind the CIA Fakes

CIA Internet Fakes
Audio Mon 8th August
Kathy McMahon interviews Fintan Dunne about
The Story Behind the CIA Fakes

Listen:
56k mp3
posted by Fintan, BreakForNews.com

This is a large, 10 Mb download but an interview really worth listening to where Fintan Dunne argues that both 911 and 77 were inside jobs staged by the G8.

He also warns against disinformation websites whose effect is to overwhelm and depress us into thinking that the powers behind these atrocities are so great that there's nothing left that we can do ... despair being the greatest enemy that paralyses the creation of a national and transnational movement for Civil Rights, Truth, Peace & Justice.

[alexsandie]

I find it intriguing that no-one seems to have paid much attention to Fintan Dunne's exposure of the CIA Fakes and the pre-planned campaign to bring down the 9/11 Truth Movement. In light of the exposure of Nico Haupt, don't you at least want to consider what is going on in America in the 9/11 Truth Movement? We in Britain are small-fry. We are just an add-on. And I can assure you, we do not count.

[Snowygrouch]

Why are we not concerned??

1: Posting a list of virtually every website on the whole damn net and claiming them to all be probably associated with the CIA isnt very useful is it?

2: Saying anyone in the UK doesnt count is the most awful nonsense....

Example question for 10 points......

Which author got his book on the official Whitehouse list of Disinfo...

Ian Henshall; location.......England......

etc etc etc etc etc etc etc..........

Small fry indeed!......Watch your words is my advice.

So what do YOU suggest we "do" about "what is happening to the movement in the USA"????? Ignore the whole list of websites you posted?
Get a plane ticket to the states and complain?

If I`m going to accuse anyone of timewasting its YOU.

C.

[alexsandie]

[Fallious]

It's sometimes difficult to sift the good information from the bad, or at the least the good intention from the bad. However i've come to realise that there's a rather simple method to identifying a genuine speaker - someone who's objective is most likely true and positive, and this is usualy a good indication of the quality of the information they seek to provide.

I simply look at what they are asking for. If they are trying to effect positive change then they will not seek division, or ridicule, or to marginalize groups or ideas. Even if their objective is to expose the short comings of a particular theory or individual they won't seek to translate this failure to the truth movement as a whole.

As any genuine truther will tell you, coming to realise the truth and then begin spreading the message yourself is a big journey. As someone who was woken up by 'In Plane Sight', I can sympathise with those who consider it a valuable documentary, and as I’ve grown beyond 'pod' theory I can also understand the concerns that many have about the message it spreads. However, by virtue of the fact that it was responsible for my beginning research into 9/11 it either failed as a disinfo ruse, or succeeded as a wake up call. Any other genuine truther has been on a similar journey and will therefore not seek to push division in the movement as a whole based on differing theories.

What genuine truther, who has been on such a journey of discovery, gathering vital information from tens or hundreds of websites, has the inclination to produce a list of websites that he believes divide the movement? For that matter, did it escape the authors notice that he's the one advertising division, manipulation and claiming the existence of a vast network of "disinformation websites whose effect is to overwhelm and depress us"?

Re-read Akbal13 and Alexsandie's posts and see where the real division and scare mongering is originating.

[alexsandie]

[Fallious]

I don't follow. What's your point?

[Snowygrouch]

This is C**P, delete this thread.

If you are REALLY concerned about getting things going you DONT start posting stuff like "oh no we're all doomed, everything is falling apart and soon we'll all be 'dead' ".....

Your post should be deleted immidiately by moderators.
It serves no puropse other than to dishearten and spread fear.

Where are the Mods????

C.

[scar]

[alexsandie]

[alexsandie]

[alexsandie]

For the record, I don't believe we are defeated, but the ChristFundos seem to think we are. Tackle them, not me.

[Fallious]

[Snowygrouch]

MORON ALERT
MORON ALERT
MORON ALERT

What is YOUR PURPOSE?
What is YOUR POINT?

Junk thread; thats your point.

[StopThe9/11CoverUp]

guys guys guys!!!!!

If we was intelligent enough to work in the elite groups, come up with a plan that would not only generate sympathy for my country and promote my countries values in other countries, while at the same time improving my countries economic growth globally, and giving my country the perfect excuse to invade other countries to ensure my countries economic growth then im sure we would have also planned (and very well may I add) the potential fallout of such a plan once it was initiated.

We are small fish in huge lake, but its up to us to fill that lake with millions of small fish to become a voice for all of us.

Propaganda is everywhere, and 9/11 was the biggest piece of propaganda in history.

Give the guy a break, there will be many times where we have to do some debunking of our own, but lets not come down on someone with a hailstorm when we havent even debunked him yet.

You cannot be wise until you know everything there is to know, maybe theres more for us to know first.

Thank you for the post alexandrie, you've given me something else to get my teeth into lol.

Also, he does state that some of these sites were created before the event, wasnt someone on this very forum posting about a 9/11 site that had the creation time as 2 hours before the event?

Don't be too harsh on him, he could be right even if its only 2 or 3 things they could make all the difference.

Ade.

[Bongo]

Ian Neil states...

[John White]

Surely you've just missed Ian's point Bongo, which is that although he considers "position a" to be the case himself (in this example "Peak oil") he does not therefore consider anyone holding "position b" to be disinfo. Which is nice for me personally, becuase I give peak Oil a cautious benefit of the doubt, by reasoning that even if its not true, the mere possibility of the scenario is enough to make it a major factor in unfolding events

[rodin]

[StopThe9/11CoverUp]

Firstly, I think the best way would be to get everybodies full names and addresses if you want to go down that road lol.

Secondly I have to agree that this is something we must get our heads around and get them clear on it.

I can think of nothing worse than becoming a disinfo agent through disinfo. I mean, they've already won if that's the case.

This is also why there needs to be main clear beliefs in the movement. The old LIHOP and MIHOP comes to mind. The LIHOP argument being the most basic source of the event is a given, but when you get to MIHOP stage there is that much stuff coming out, especially the last 12 months thats adding even more theories to the conspiracy. And not all good.

We may not be controlled enough to stop us watching the 4 main programs and talking points about 9/11, but we definitely have no control on any other programs and talking points being released. This is where the importance of "mission statements" comes into play.

People who watched LC, eyewitness Great deception, In plane site when they 1st released were woken up to the conspiracy. People who are getting into it now, the same people we are trying to tell, have many more programs and blogs and sites to do there research. And its detrimental to the overall movement.

Ade.

[paul wright]

Fintan is great - he certainly produced amongst the first doubting articles around the wtcs though he presumed that real 757s driven by real people did it in the first place. He was also amongst the first to challenge the cell phone transcripts as nonsense
However his launch base for descibing a wide base of conspiracy websites as being CIA fakes, was to my recollection their refusal to report that the court appearing Saddam was a fake Saddam. That seemed the bone of contention
Now I agree with that, personally, the hanged guy was a fake
Still I always found it rather ridiculous that Fintan should find the websites that didn't include this as CIA
Obviously he's moved on from this as he includes the late Joe Vialls website in his absurd list, when Joe was a premier promoter of fake Saddam
Ah well, Fintan - you've gone out on a limb and it isn't helpful
Some might benefit from perusal but really you aren't helpful

[Snowygrouch]

Ok so perhaps "moron" was a bit harsh but I refuse to take back the intention of the comment.

How can we ignore infiltration.....Well yes its important but quite simply

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT!!!!

Unless you get a photo of someone walking into the MI6 headquaters you CANNOT prove anything!!!!

All we do is go merry-go-roundabout slagging eachother off for being probable plants with arguments that have NO POSSIBLE conclusion....does that sound familiar to anyone here....???? Hmmm where have I expereinced THAT behavior before?

Discussion about infiltration and plants is an UTTER waste of time unless you have SOLID evidence. We all have different tastes in web-sites and if we listed our opinions I doubt there is a single website out there one of us doesnt suspect of foulplay.

Its a worthless discussion that (without proof) can do only damage and create suspicion.

Just my take on it...thats all.................

C.

[ian neal]

[Stephen]

Akbal13 You think that David Icke has been had by the CIA

WHAT A MUPPET!!!!!!!!

[Bongo]

[TimmyG]

wheres the evidence that these sites are part of an elaborate pysop?!

its all very well and good saying 'look out for these sites.. they are all controlled by the ruling elite' and then not giving any evidence atall.

I'm sure theres disinfo out there created by the ptb.. but i don't think all those sites you mention are examples of this

this movement is kind of like an anarachist collective. which is kind of nice. but i'm not sure how effective the structure is. I wish i had more time to come to the 9/11 meetings and be properly involved. surely theres a better way of organising ourselves to increase our chances of 'success'

[Fallious]

It's really very simple, whats easier: To control 100+ alternative news and information websites to distribute disinformation, or to simply make a list of sites which feature content you are not happy with and 'debunk' some of the most uncomfortable information presented on them?

[alexsandie]

This is well worth listening to:

NEW AUDIO
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1841

Alex Jones & the Temple of Doom

The implosion of the 9/11 Truth Movement continues as Alex Jones
goes totally fruitloop on his radio show. Audio and analysis.

Plus: A claimed survivor of the London 7/7 Bus Bombing is pushing
a wild story on an Alex Jones broadcast a few days ago.

And: Why the 9/11 CoverUp Will Come Apart at the Seams

The 9/11-3i Investigation Resumes
"The Next Level" Internet Radio Show

DSL Mp3 Audio
http://www.breakfornews.com/audio/NextLevel070209a.mp3

Dialup Mp3 Audio
http://www.breakfornews.com/audio/NextLevel070209.mp3

Links & Discussion at:
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1841