Petition to ban freemasonry ....sign it now!

[mason-free party]

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/479012713

An extreme evil that 95% of people turn a blind eye to. Our victims have overwhelming proof with absolutely nothing to hide. Please sign this important petition. You can also join or help VOACS/OPEN SOCIETY We need truthseekers and diggers of information. We also get a lot of abuse from brainwashed/hoodwinked individuals who are trying to defend the indefensible. See our other petition "Freemasons should declare their membership" This is not about revenge, only campaign for change for an open society and no more brainwashing for money/power. Can you please promote these petitions for all our sakes.
VOACS (Victims Of A Corrupt Society)
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[Dr Hemp]

I more or less 100% concur with your views on freemasonry, however, I fear that when we call for organisations we disapprove of to be banned it makes us no better than those who we are fighting against.

I do agree that those in public office or positions of authority should be obliged to declare their membership of such organisations. Yet you must realise that banning Freemasons would only make martyrs of them and drive them even further underground; it would also make us fascists. Yes they are a weird sinister organisation who deserves to be ridiculed in the public eye; banning them would not further this goal, besides can you tell me of any organisation that has been successfully eradicated via means of criminal sanctions?

Freemasons should be an organisation that the public mindset should instinctively disapprove of. They should conjure up images of John Cleese and the Monty Python Freemason Sketch and something that any right thinking person should automatically want nothing to do with! Banning them is not the way forward, ridicule is!
Chris.

[mason-free party]

[Pikey]

MFP

This is a 911 truth campaign website please can we keep keep focused on our mission statement on the front page.

Someone looking at website for the first time might get the complete wrong impression if the website focus goes off track.

I am anti anything secret but there are lots of other relevant websites to put blogs like yours on.

By the way your pseudonym MFP, its marvellously creative and IMO would be wonderful if that was the reality IMO!

Peace & truth

[Dr Hemp]

[mason-free party]

[Andrew Johnson]

I think it is almost impossible to avoid the issue of the Masons and all that side of things.

Those who agree they should be banned can sign the petition, those who don't can leave it!

It is probably just worth mentioning that there are members of these organisations (at the lower levels) who do work for good causes and are good hearted.

However, the fact that these people exist and are real makes those who use the organisation as a power base more powerful (in that the "corrupted" ones can point to the "good" ones and say "well, we have all these people doing work for charity" etc and then people say "ah, well, maybe they're not too bad after all" (Cue Mr Babbage 'X' sound from "Family Fortunes").

My fuppence worth.

[Pikey]

If you have any hard evidence that freemasonry was responsible for 911 then paste it here.

911 is the key, because IMHO we possess compelling evidence that the official version of 911 is a travesty of the truth Lets crack that nut first and then the unravelling and revealing those in the shadows will begin.

Peace & truth

[mason-free party]

Yes a valid point Andrew...just because alot of masons are generally good people and haven't a clue what is going on higher up doesn't mean they should be excused due to their ignorance and error of judgement...they are helping to keep the movement alive because without these brainwashed masses it would undoubtedly collapse ...

Regards Hitler smashing up masonic lodges...i think that is probably masonic propaganda to throw us off the scent...afterall he and his masonic chums set fire to the Reichstag building...just like the Silverstein masonic mafia did the 9/11 complex..

[Dr Hemp]

The cocaine industry is internationally banned, yet remains a multi-billion dollar thriving industry (granted it is run by the CIA).

I accept those who carried out 9/11 probably had Masonic connections and were certainly carrying out an agenda already stated by Masonic orders and the Neo-cons of the Christian right in the USA. However, it is the institutions of Government that are rotten to the core and to ban Freemasonry would barely be making a dent in the apple skin. They would still be there!

I'm no friend of the Masons, but I don't believe in banning things. Hitler was into all sorts of weird ritualistic stuff, as are the Masons, whether he would have destroyed Freemasonry in Britain, we’ll never know, though the Nazis certainly smashed up the lodges in the Channel Islands.

Don’t get me wrong, I am against everything that Freemasonry stands for, but I feel what makes my humanity better than the Neo-Con agenda, is that I don’t want to go around the world banning and making illegal things I don’t personally approve of. Treat them with the contempt they deserve and don’t even give them any recognition by directing any energies worrying about their legal status.

Chris.

[paul wright]

This is all a central problem when trying to discern all this
If for example you are a fundamendalist pastor of some American Baptist small-scale ministry who's been researching the hidden in plain view behaviour of successive US administrations, then within your narrow world view, you might well discern the hand of Satan, and that all occult knowledge is Kabbalistic, and handed down through various secret organisations via various fronts from the Knights Templar, Alchemists,Giordano Bruno,Blavatsky, the masons, the Fruit of the Tree of Life, deriving from Babylon and the Egyptian mysteries, and is innately evil, and should be opposed by all good Christians, who know for example that the Lucifer-worshipping Bush regime was behind 911 and the Luciferian Lucis Trust backed UN is the apogee of the New World Order
And that the upper echelon of the Freemasons is a central core of this
That's a neat exclusive world view and one which I can go along with to some extent, and can spend long periods of time amusing myself with, for example Texe Marr's Codex Magica, which has a lot of evidential proof in the text and the pictures
Prescott Bush, Hitler,Churchill,Crowley - all essentially masonist for sure
Strange how the present Archbishop of Canterbury can rail against the Da Vinci code conspiracy theorists, whilst being himself sworn in allegiance to the Godess so beloved and celebrated endlessly by the Illuminati , not least in the Shock and Awe/Shekinah attack on Iraq at the Spring Equinox 2003 through his swearing in to the Order of Druids,just like Churchill. Weird that, isn't it, not that I've anything against the Druids other than their exclusive access to the Stones at Solstice

But hey, it's not the knowledge in itself that's wrong, is it? The knowledge in itself has been kept occult only for the purpose of using it to the advantage of those who possess it, for the manipulation and to the disadvantage of those who've been fed false belief systems and who haven't got a sense of how the universe really works beyond that

However much you may criticise the Alice Bailey directed New Age movement which projects basic masonic doctrine into the public domain, you cant deny the usefulness and validity of what is there for those willing to pick up on what is of value there
Despite any exteriorisation of the agenda, too many useful tools have emerged which many of us can use with discernment, and without conjuration of dark forces within the energy matrix
That's their game
The awakening of the masses is ours
So mote it be,mates

[ian neal]

I've noticed an increasing number of non 9/11 related threads and discussion on the site. Personally I have no problem with this, but suggest a separate area for non 9/11 material to be posted, possibly along the following lines

Discussion of events related to the war on terror that 9/11 ignited including 7/7, Iraq, Iran, Oil, erosion civil liberties, extraordinary rendition

Discussion of the wider pictiure and life in general

I would resist any moves to censor discussion of certain issues such as zionism or the role of freemasonary and secret socieities or any other taboo as long as the site principles are followed. As long as we are guided by a genuine desire for truth and justice we won't go far wrong.

As for whether freemasonary should be banned, I would see the issue (as with 9/11 and so many other areas that we have common cause with) as summarised as the right and duty of people to hold power to account whether that power rests with people or organisations. To be accountable (whether you are the US government, the UK government, freemasonary or a powerful individuals) requires that you are fully transparent and honest. Just as we demand Bush and his administration is held to account on 9/11, so should Bush account for his membership of Skull and Bones and so should freemasonary be held to account IMO

I have read both on this forum and elsewhere that Tony Blair is a 33rd degree freemason. How is this known?

[kbo234]

In 1983 chris Mullin put forward a Bill to parliament, the Secret Societies (Declaration) Bill. It tried to force any Freemason to declare their membership. The Bill did not get past its second reading, I believe. It certainly failed.

The only way such an Act could be passed is if all votes on it were secret. At that time the Tories had a large majority in the house. Presumably ordinary MP's, suspecting (or perhaps knowing) that their superiors were mostly masons, were afraid to be seen queueing in the wrong lobby. To be seen voting for the Bill would have been tantamount to committing political suicide.

It is unlikely Freemasonry will ever be banned.
You never know, though. If 911 truth becomes universally known this might come to pass. Certainly Mullin's Secret Societies Declaration Bill would surely be revived and become law.

[paul wright]

[paul wright]

Just for amusement grab a copy of todays Guardian for a rare double-page spread photo of the aproned masons marching in the Beamish museum, a sight most of us have only glimpsed in the Illuminati or Shadows in Motion video
They Live
http://www.guardian.co.uk/britain/article/0,,1757209,00.html

[paul wright]

[Pikey]

Hi dh,

Yes I appreciate the work of David Icke and his writings were a source of inspiration and strength to me when I decided to become a public servant whistleblower. Remember Icke said that 911 was the key.

Bearing in mind his comment I'm trying to put the interests of the 911 truth campaign first when I say lets remain focused on 911 if we are going to win the hearts and minds of those who take the red pill and visit this website forum for the first time!

If we digress off the subject matter too much we just put them in a state of information overload. We need to use the ptb tactics:- the steeping stones/drip-drip approach. How could we create something for the 911 truth campaign using their problem-reaction-solution strategy?

Creative 911 truth campaigning is the solution to the problem of hitting that brick wall.

Hope that clarifies my conflicting statements dh!

Peace & truth

[paul wright]

OOps, ignore me sometimes on my dark dwellings
Since I reviewed my views about Icke sometime in the late nineties and count him as 90% reliable, if you hadn't replied I'd have deleted the last comment
Your positive comments always keep me out of the testosterone and age related grumpiness descent so no offence intended
I'll try to keep up

[Pikey]

Hi dh,

Its good to communicate!

I never ignore what you have to say or blog, because in my eyes you are a top quality truthseeker and comrade in this campaign.

[paul wright]

That's what's nice about this forum and the 911 movement in general, is that if you make a little bit of effort to participate out there, then the brothers and sisters are ultimately supportive, and the little anxieties that course through the system, like the debate about moderation and off-topic material and deletion of posts, doesn't matter a toss
Doing the big forums like Urban is a hell of a ride, and the more you put yourself into it, the more likely you are to be terminated, as one who is IP barred there - I don't know how Dr Jazzz has kept up with it so long - perhaps through personal contact
On the Aspartame topic deletion, our friend whomurdereddi? posted this subject as his opening gambit, and I did warn him then not to push this too much here
Personally, I feel that Rumsfeld-mediated mass subtle poisoning is entirely relevant to the central thesis and should be allowed, though I agree that it may take a while to get from a 911 realisation to the drug cartel machinations, or equally to the role of Zionism or indeed Jewishness within the whole long-term scamnario
These are small slots which will be taken as bigotry or conspiratorial craziness without reference to the whole framework of falsified history
People wishing without malice to post off-topic and controversial opinions should, in my view, mostly seek to attach them as comments to orthodox threads. There's always a way This works much better than as original postings and eases the position of moderators
Anyway, blah blah nonsense
Cheers Pikey, you are always the motivator with the mostest